I just left my wife because she is a climate change denier (I'm not kidding)

Originally posted by type0civ
You need help

Incorrect...

I needed to LEAVE. What is your point?

reply to post by The_Liberator


I'm really happy for your wife. I'm sure that now she can finally find happiness, and a fulfilling life, away from demagogues, and fanatics, such as yourself.

I am also sure your post is misleading, incorrect, and a big lie. It should read: "My wife just left me, because I'm a fanatic, incapable of having a debate with people that don't share my Dogmas".

reply to post by mayabong

I guess I'm wanna those, "its the sun" people.

Glad we're not married. lol.

Actually I am an orbit eccentricity, inclination of the Earth's axis, Axial precession, ocean cycle, variable sun AND volcanic eruption type of people.

I have the nasty feeling it is a really major volcanic eruption that is the trigger for glaciation when all the other factors are correct. This would explain the variability in the lengths of the interglacials. From approximately 8,000 to 12,000 years we are at the 11,800 year mark

Even the CO2 causes global warming types agree.

Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception (2007)

"Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started...."

According to this we would be trying to deal with a return to Ice Age conditions if not for CO2.

This paper also agrees.

Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

"..Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ca 11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3° C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present...

As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers reestablished or advanced, sea ice expanded, and the flow of warm Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean diminished. Late Holocene cooling reached its nadir during the Little Ice Age (about 1250-1850 AD), when sun-blocking volcanic eruptions and perhaps other causes added to the orbital cooling, allowing most Arctic glaciers to reach their maximum Holocene extent..."

To completely ignore the possibility that an Ice Age is looming especially when Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution research shows the change to an Ice Age can occur in less than a decade is criminally niave.

Unless TPTB are already planning their survival but not ours.

reply to post by The_Liberator


Here is the part that I'm honestly not following. I've read your OP and you have so much going on in your life right now and much of its bad I don't see how some people on an internet message board disagreeing (or agreeing) with your views on climate change are of the same level of importance in your life as whats going on with your wife?

I'm sure there will still be people who agree and disagree with you on climate change here when you get what's going on in your life sorted out.

reply to post by vkturbo


As I said, it's not the sun. The sun has nothing to do with AGW.

As for my tone, I have considered everything and come to the conclusion that there was nothing I could do. She is crazy and I am sane and that is that.

reply to post by The_Liberator


am i being serious ?? in some ways, sure ... should we have already done such with even a percentage of those removed, we'd be in far better shape today than we are. Why not do something other than complain?

You should write a tv show about the arguments you and your wife had..
oh wait.. you must not watch tv or is that rule just for the baby

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

wait just a minute little boy ... YOU picked up and left and she's the demon ??? yeah sure.

Yes, that is correct.

Google narcissistic personality disorder and you will understand. You would have left too.

So you are saying that if a husband beats his wife and she leaves, it's her fault? My wife was abusing the sh!t out of me and I left. What is your point again?

You will find no justification for leaving your wife here.
Be a good( better) husband ,and get some different counseling.
It sounds like you love her and it will work !
In sickness and in health, unless you didn't mean it when you said it.

reply to post by The_Liberator


One heavily biased side of the story which should be taken with a grain of salt given your wife is not here to defend the allegations you make against her.

Dude.. go on Jerry Springer if you want to air your dirty laundry... or grow up. Which ever comes first.

IRM

Originally posted by Honor93
Liberator, it's easy to see that you refuse to attempt to debate facts so i'll go with the obvious. You stated (yes we have a son, together) ... my question for you, little man is this: just what 'personality type' commits to a NSD sufferer, creates another life and then walks away with some sense of misplaced indignation ?? in my country, they are called, cowards.

Then I wouldn't want to live in your country.

In my country, they are called abused men.

I stayed with her partly because of her looks, and partly because she was able to hide her true self. If being abused = misplaced indignation, then so be it. But the fact remains that I was abused and I was fed up with it, so I left.

She is an evil person and she creates her own hell, and I just don't want to be a part of it anymore.

You people givin him # for leaving her...I would love to make you move in with a narcissist for 3 months. That would be enough...you'd run out the door.

Originally posted by The_Liberator

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

nice of you to ignore the basic fact that pre-industrial measurements Include massive greenery coverage throughout the world, which filter CO2 and other toxins; which are produced naturally in wider variety and amounts than man has collectively produced in all his existence.
Yes, man contributes to the toxification of the planet with every fart, every breadth, every discharge and most consumption ... however, man created and performed deforestation ... put it back ... man pollutes continuously, unchecked, unpunished and undeterred ... fix it ... man kills, man corrupts, man coerces ... shouldn't we concentrate on fixing what we can, first ?? Leave nature to the Mother, she knows best.

We aren't fixing it and were an't going to.

You think the solution is to simply put the forests "back". As in what? Plant a bunch of seeds and stop cutting down the existing forests? Then in 50 years hope that our seeds have grown into trees? Are you being serious?

sooooo, you're ok with mans corruption, coercion and deadly tendencies (human nature, right?) -- "We aren't fixing it and were an't going to" -- interesting aversion
reference previous post to ... am i serious?
curious, were you someone who thought polluting the oceans with toxic tires was a good idea some 30yrs ago?
let's see, what was the common selling point ?? -- oh yeah, out of sight, out of mind or something like that ... guess Mother Nature didn't agree on that point, either.

Originally posted by CerBeRus666
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

I'm really happy for your wife. I'm sure that now she can finally find happiness, and a fulfilling life, away from demagogues, and fanatics, such as yourself.

I am also sure your post is misleading, incorrect, and a big lie. It should read: "My wife just left me, because I'm a fanatic, incapable of having a debate with people that don't share my Dogmas".

If by "Dogmas" you mean "facts", then I agree with you.

My post is not misleading. My wife is irrational as are you. She thinks she is right, as do you. And she pulls facts out of her ass, as do you.

What is the difference between you and her again?

Originally posted by Frogs
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

Here is the part that I'm honestly not following. I've read your OP and you have so much going on in your life right now and much of its bad I don't see how some people on an internet message board disagreeing (or agreeing) with your views on climate change are of the same level of importance in your life as whats going on with your wife?

I'm sure there will still be people who agree and disagree with you on climate change here when you get what's going on in your life sorted out.

I am sitting at my father's house with nothing to do, so I'm posting here, lol.

It's not that this thread has the same importance as my life, of course it doesn't. But I'm not used to being single, and frankly I'm just kind of sitting around being bored

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

am i being serious ?? in some ways, sure ... should we have already done such with even a percentage of those removed, we'd be in far better shape today than we are. Why not do something other than complain?

Hypothetically, your ideas sound great. But realistically, there is nothing we can do. The game is over I'm afraid.

maybe al gore may put you up at his house for while. his house is the biggest on the street, the one with all those damn climate changing lights on outside. just check under the mat for the spare key, he may not be home. he is probably flying all over the world in his "CLIMATE CHANGING JET" the freaking hypocrite.

no.......i cant go on a date with you because guess what......I THINK ITS A CROCK OF CRAP TOO. you even say in your original post that "its happening and there is nothing we can do about it". if you believe that, then stop getting on your high horse.

i will never pay a single cent extra for what i dont believe that i had a hand in causing. i may have added to pollution, but not the change in climate. anyway, sounds to me that you are easily led.....someone says t.v bad, you wanna turn it off.

Originally posted by rusty moon
You should write a tv show about the arguments you and your wife had..
oh wait.. you must not watch tv or is that rule just for the baby

well now that I'm single, I watch alot of TV. I used to watch foodnetwork, but seeing as now I have no one to cook for....hahaha

But let me tell you, being single and lonely is better than being abused.

reply to post by The_Liberator


So many things come to mind with this, I don't know where to start, so I'll just number them as quickly as I can rattle them off. Bear in mind, I've been married a LONG time and have grandchildren, so please don't take offense....read all the way down and I will offer some help at the end.

1. Your verbal exchange sounds normal of any young marriage where proper communication and compromise isn't present. Using a disorder "label" as a crutch to do the exact same thing to her is just absurd, but I blame your therapist for that. I had to read the definition of narcissistic disorder, because I didn't know, and I was laughing hysterically....it describes just about everyone at some point in their life. Seriously? This is why I am staunchly against labels of any sort. Don't ever let people label you or those you love. You are only what you decide to be, and others will only ever be to you what you expect them to be. The moment the therapist "diagnosed" her was the moment you guys were at the point of no return.

2. I empathize with your frustration and anger, but it's ironic that the very thing you accused your wife of being, you came off as sounding as well. Did you notice it? I didn't read past the first page, but at least two other posters noticed it too. This is not an attack on you, rather, we all do this....we point out the very flaws in others that we hate in ourselves, so it's not just you! The people in our lives mirror us, whether we like it or not. This is good to realize, as hard as it may seem, because it allows you to approach your problems from a completely different perspective.

3. Silly question....if you fought about exposing too much TV to your son, why on earth did you buy her an Apple TV, given that she's the main caregiver of your child? I don't know how old your child is, but if he's not of school age yet and your wife stays at home, this appears to be a contradiction from you. In which case, I would understand her comment about not having time if she's considering your protest about exposing your son to too much TV. It's apparent by her response that it wasn't what SHE wanted, but perhaps something maybe YOU wanted. This would make any wife hot under the collar. However, from a man's perspective, I can understand that you gave her something that you felt you both would enjoy together. From her perspective, it was her day, not yours. I get this!

4. Throwing her a surprise party was really nice of you, however, women are funny creatures. You can do 20 things right, but it's that one thing that's super important to her that if you get wrong, it overshadows everything else. Trust me, I know! Did you ask her what she wanted?

5. If I may, I'd like to point out that you were honest enough to state that she is HIGHLY dissatisfied with your negativity and criticisms. Her feelings are valid, and that's the first step to fixing things. If you discount her feelings, as I stated earlier, based on a "label" of a disorder, then you've already lost. If you ARE negative and highly critical of her, no marriage can withstand that.

Advice from a perfect stranger:

1. Stop reading ATS and conspiracy sites....let them go...they have now infiltrated your life so much that your marriage is all but shattered. YOU make the choice as to what your reality is or isn't.

2. Think long and hard that it takes two to tango....you are equally at fault here.

3. Sit down and make a list of all the things you love about her. Forget your pride and just do it. When you're done, write her a nice card and list these things in it and present it to her with some roses, or whatever flowers are her favorite. Do you know her favorite flowers?

4. Don't give up....get your ass in gear, get off of ATS, keep your personal life between the two of you and no one else, and commit to grow with her. You too, have some growing and changing to do, not just her.

5. Speak words of faith to her always...words are powerful. If you criticize, you will destroy. If you praise, compliment and are gentle with your words, she will grow. Don't believe me? There have been multiple studies over the years as to the effects of words, not just music types, on plants. Those that were spoken to regularly in a loving way, flourished and grew beautifully. Those that were spoken to with anger, hatred, and criticized for imperfections were stunted, sickly, and/or died. Humans are no different. Your words define your household, and you are the king of that household....take control of your words, and your home will be blessed. I can't state it any clearer than that.

6. Dump your therapist....what a ripoff. You'd be better spending your money on a marriage course from Tony Robbins where you will at least learn about each other and yourselves in the process.

Best wishes, and don't you dare give up. You've come this far, don't deny either of you the opportunity to grow and become better by giving up now. This is only a mountain you must go over, and there will many throughout your marriage, but how you traverse this one sets the pace for all other mountains in your life and your marriage and/or future marriages.

So... I think it's rather pathetic that counselling solved nothing; what horrible council. (Yes) I do blame them, these issues are common, the variable being the subject. (ice age, 2012, monsters in your closet, etc).

I skimmed through most of the thread... I read the first page or 2... but I may've missed these questions:

How old are you/ your wife?

How far away is your dads place?

Did you really buy the apple for her, or for yourself? Did she hint at wanting it? (You did JUST say how tv was a possible negative)

We are living the day and age of the internet, free knowledge, and it is abundant. Do not force her to "claim" she is anything, just walk her through what you have observed that has made you believe what you do today.

Truth needs no salesmen... it sells itself.

PS*** I am also one of those "it's the sun" people (mars caps are melting too...)


I also want to add that | just read Gseven's post... basically it is my post with a little extra... and explanations... thanks, great post friend... even though it isn't me in the situation i appreciate the time you took to type of such an incredible post that I agree 100% with and I doubt...truly doubt that has ever happened in a post more than 2 lines.