5 Myth about Islam

Originally posted by oozyism
Infact contrary to the claim, Islam opposes the murder of innocent, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Atheist...

Yet, Islamic militants have carried out 16,535 terror attacks since 2001.

In November 2010 they carried out

Jihad Attacks: 144
Countries: 15
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 609
Critically Injured: 1252

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

For a religion that apparently rejects violence (according to your interpretation), its adherents seem to do a lot of killing...

Originally posted by oozyism

I'm a Muslim, it is my duty to remove any misconception regarding Islam.

My criticism of America does not make me anti-American.

Its a question of degree. You are constantly criticising the USA so, yes you are anti-USA.

You probably even live there but want to bite the hand that feeds you.

Your criticism of Islam, does not make you an Islamophoic.

"Islamaphobic"? Is that a real word?

Do you mean anti-Islamic?

I am no fan of any religion. Islam doesn't get an out of jail free card. I judge Islam by its actions. It has proved itself to easily be the most violent modern religion. It has the blood of untold millions on its hands since its inception by the warlord Muhammad.

Originally posted by ollncasino
[For a religion that apparently rejects violence (according to your interpretation), its adherents seem to do a lot of killing...

Man don't waste time trying to suck a logical answer from Moozzyjadin.
He goes round and round in circles spouting the same in every post.

If Islam as a religion reject's violence then i ask yet again for a muslim ATSer to write a thread condeming the extremist's and the barbarous act's of torture carried out in the name of sharia law.

Yes, i want a muslim to condemn the flogging of women who wear trouser's, make up and so forth and the lapidation of blasphemer's etc etc everyone knows the list by now..

I have a feeling the list of poster's will be very very short.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by oozyism
Infact contrary to the claim, Islam opposes the murder of innocent, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Atheist...

Yet, Islamic militants have carried out 16,535 terror attacks since 2001.

In November 2010 they carried out

Jihad Attacks: 144
Countries: 15
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 609
Critically Injured: 1252

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

For a religion that apparently rejects violence (according to your interpretation), its adherents seem to do a lot of killing...

Islam does not reject violence, punch me in the face, expect to get punched back.

Anyways, what does terrorist attacks have to do with Islam? If Islam says the killing of innocent people is wrong, then it is wrong, even if Muslims do it. Get it?

Muslims steal (but stealing is wrong), Muslims rape (but rape is wrong).

The thing you don't get is that terrorism revolves around political instability, aggression, oppression and war.

See how there is terrorism in Mexico? Why do you suppose that is? Because there is a war on drugs going on. More than 30000 people have been killed there.

reply to post by ollncasino

I am no fan of any religion. Islam doesn't get an out of jail free card. I judge Islam by its actions.

Can I judge Democracy based on Hitler?

That's the logic you are trying to put on the table as an argument.

Originally posted by oozyism
Anyways, what does terrorist attacks have to do with Islam?

Denial. A favorite Muslm tactic.

The fact that the murders are carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam in accoradance with Muhammeds instruction to carry out violent Jihad, appears to have gone right over your head...

But then, you would try to pull the wool over our eyes, would you not?

Selected Deeds of Muhammed

(1) Mohammed besieged a tribe of Jews in Medina, and then, after they had surrendered, beheaded the 800 male Jews of that tribe. The women and children were sold into slavery. One of the girls, who had the pleasure of seeing the husband she had recently married being murdered by Mohammed's men, had the pleasure of spending the first night of her new life as a slave in Mohammed's bed.

(2) Muhammad also authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move a child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

(3) Muhammad ordered people to be burnt in their houses for not coming to prayer.

(4) He was also an accomplished caravan raider and a man who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

(5) The Koran is full of quotes of Muhammad ordering Muslims to wage holy war on non Muslims. The passages urging violent Jihad date from when he was stronger - his time in Medina and after he had attacked and taken Mecca.

Muhammad's tolerant messages date from when he was weak, when he was a minor preacher in Mecca before he was invited to move to Medina. No matter when they date from, the intolerant preaching greatly out numbers the tolerant teaching.

Originally posted by oozyism
Muslims steal (but stealing is wrong), Muslims rape (but rape is wrong)

The difference here is in a civilised society a thief get's a fine and a rapist jail.
In islam the theif looses his hand to the sword and the rapist's 9 year old sisiter is gangbanged by a gruop of 9 on the victims uncles and brother's in revenge...How just is Allah???

See how there is terrorism in Mexico? Why do you suppose that is? Because there is a war on drugs going on. More than 30000 people have been killed there.

What has mexico to do with Islam...here the discussion is on Islam not world wide drug trafficking with it's inevitable murders. Yet again trying to spin the converstaion. Now you have noting left to say..."the US is in decline and it's empire crumbling etc etc etc " YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNN

reply to post by andy1972

Yes, i want a muslim to condemn the flogging of women who wear trouser's, make up and so forth and the lapidation of blasphemer's etc etc everyone knows the list by now..

That is like me asking you to make a thread and condemn the actions of the American dad who raped his own daughter for 18 years.

For you to even act like even a small minority of Muslims believe flogging someone for wearing trousers is right, is absurd.

It is like me claiming that Americans believe raping their daughter is OK, because an American did it. Or that bashing a girl in the face for removing her shows is OK, because an American cop did it.

Originally posted by oozyism
They claim that Islam supports the death sentence of apostates.

Goodness, so there is no death penalty for leaving Islam?

Perhaps you should explain that to the Iranians who have sentenced a pastor for leaving Islam under Sharia law?

Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

www.worthynews.com...

No death penalty under Sharia law? Go figure.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by oozyism
Anyways, what does terrorist attacks have to do with Islam?

Denial. A favorite Muslm tactic.

The fact that the murders are carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam in accoradance with Muhammeds instruction to carry out violent Jihad, appears to have gone right over your head...

But then, you would try to pull the wool over our eyes, would you not?

Let's make this simple because you are acting dumb now.

Simple question, hope you answer it:

Is a Muslim targeting innocent people (terrorism) a wrong thing to do? If the Quran (Word of GOD) is against the killing of innocent people?

reply to post by oozyism

I did read the op. Like all of the Judaic religions, the final authority, lies not vested in the people who are its followers, but the people who study such. So that means for Christianity, it is the ministers, preachers, priests. For Judaism, it lies in the Rabis and in Islam it lies in the clerics. They are suppose to give the guidence to its followers, as they are relied on to interpret the very religion that people follow, determining what is and it not against that religion. So if an Islamic Cleric, does not say that killing an exmuslim is against the Quar'an, rather if he does not say anything to stop it, or even if his words causes such, then he has stated that Islam is supportive of those actions.
It was the Clerics that called for the death of the artists and authors who spoke out against or made fun of Islam, even when it was not in their country. So I am correct in my posting.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by oozyism
They claim that Islam supports the death sentence of apostates.

Goodness, so there is no death penalty for leaving Islam?

Perhaps you should explain that to the Iranians who have sentenced a pastor for leaving Islam under Sharia law?

Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

www.worthynews.com...

No death penalty under Sharia law? Go figure.

Are you suggesting Iran define Islam.

Stop wasting my time.

Read the Quran, the source of Islam.

If you even read the OP, you would have came across this verse:

Noble Verses 15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

Myth number2 (kill all the infidels)

This Myth has been used to explain the murder of innocent non-Muslims.

This is not supported anywhere in Quran.

Really? You must be reading a different Koran from everyone else.

97% of Jihad Passages Violent

www.answering-islam.org...

reply to post by oozyism


I condem every attack by the US that kill's innocent people.
I condemn every father religion apart, that rapes his daughter
I condem every nation that abuses human right's

I am not alone, millions daily condemn all ludicrous and barbaric act's be they by the UK the US or whatever country is to blame.

Now...YOU condemm the sharia law that kill's gay's stones women and adulter's, that uses revenge acts as part of everyday court's.

I want you to condemn the sharia law and it's barbaric act's. Maybe that's why you live in NZ, your too scared to be judged by the law you live by,
Maybe your not man enough to stand up and condem what is morally wrong and belong's to the past, that's why you live in a country that isnt muslim. Your a muslim in the closet that only comes out to play on ATS, where the neighbour's dont see you.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by oozyism

 

I did read the op. Like all of the Judaic religions, the final authority, lies not vested in the people who are its followers, but the people who study such. So that means for Christianity, it is the ministers, preachers, priests. For Judaism, it lies in the Rabis and in Islam it lies in the clerics. They are suppose to give the guidence to its followers, as they are relied on to interpret the very religion that people follow, determining what is and it not against that religion. So if an Islamic Cleric, does not say that killing an exmuslim is against the Quar'an, rather if he does not say anything to stop it, or even if his words causes such, then he has stated that Islam is supportive of those actions.
It was the Clerics that called for the death of the artists and authors who spoke out against or made fun of Islam, even when it was not in their country. So I am correct in my posting.

Quran says only GOD can guide you, no one else.

Clerics are humans just like us, we all have the ability to think, we all have the ability to read, to understand, and we all have the ability to learn.

Clerics are not special, they have no special powers.

Why do jihadists then act as if "myths" 2 through 4 are truths?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Myth number2 (kill all the infidels)

This Myth has been used to explain the murder of innocent non-Muslims.

This is not supported anywhere in Quran.

Really? You must be reading a different Koran from everyone else.

97% of Jihad Passages Violent

www.answering-islam.org...

Sorry mate, I don't let anti-Islamic websites do the thinking for me.

I have my own processing power unfortunately.

As I said before, Islam does not stand against violence duuuuh..

Violence have conditions.

For example, WAR. For example, breaking treaty. For example, supporting people to attack you. For example, invasion and occupation.

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Intentional misinformation has no justice, it only
dumbs down the population.

Dispelling the myths :

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
people have been killed by which Atheists?
Documentation please?

Russia admits Stalin ordered massacre of Poles

. . . as for the the so called '72 virgins, this is not at all mentioned
in the Qur'an, it was derived from a commentary.
Although the bible verse Mathew 25:1-3 says :
"Then the kingdom of heaven
will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the
bridegroom."
So there you have it.

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reply to post by oozyism


Then why does the Islamic world follow the Clerics, like they speak for god? 99% of the Muslims out there, will attend a mosque, their thinking of and about Islam is shaped by the Clerics, and so there for, they follow what the Clerics, believe as being the correct interpretations of the Quar'an. So once again the argument and posting that I put out, is correct.

reply to post by andy1972


I condemn the stoning of adulterers, it is wrong.

I condemn the stoning of anyone, it is against Islam.

I condemn the intentional killing of innocent people.

I condemn rape, I condemn torture, I condemn those who kill gay people, I condemn those who prosecute their minorities, I condemn those who attack people of different faiths etc...

The media must be really effective in your part of the world.