12/17/10 Jesse Ventrura Pentagon Episode

reply to post by DIDtm


You havent watched your own videos enough have you? You keep staking your beliefs on the supposition that if the plane was 150 feet away from where the NTSB said it was (based on the FDR) then the "official story" is a lie. "Oh gee, the plane that hit the Pentagon was over HERE instead of THERE" It must be a lie.

Doesnt change that the plane was still Flight 77, the plane was still a hijack, and that the plane still hit the Pentagon....but keep hanging your hat on the flight path

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

You havent watched your own videos enough have you? You keep staking your beliefs on the supposition that if the plane was 150 feet away from where the NTSB said it was (based on the FDR) then the "official story" is a lie. "Oh gee, the plane that hit the Pentagon was over HERE instead of THERE" It must be a lie.

Doesnt change that the plane was still Flight 77, the plane was still a hijack, and that the plane still hit the Pentagon....but keep hanging your hat on the flight path

If it was even 50' from where NTSB said it was then it would have missed hitting them poles and not hit the Pentagon where it did..

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

You havent watched your own videos enough have you? You keep staking your beliefs on the supposition that if the plane was 150 feet away from where the NTSB said it was (based on the FDR) then the "official story" is a lie. "Oh gee, the plane that hit the Pentagon was over HERE instead of THERE" It must be a lie.

Doesnt change that the plane was still Flight 77, the plane was still a hijack, and that the plane still hit the Pentagon....but keep hanging your hat on the flight path

My sincerest apology. I was unaware that you lack reasoning and comprehension and suffer from somewhat of a narcissistic personality.
Im not sure there is help for these type of ailments, but good luck to you, should you try to find a fix.

Hey GENIUS.....if the plane was 50+ feet further North from what the OS tells us or claims, then how did the light poles get hit?

Seriously...before you spout off at the mouth, trying to insult others......make sure you know what you are talking about.

This is the second time you are being caught defending something that the OS does NOT claim.
Are you having doubts about the official story yet...Sure seems like your beliefs differ from it.

reply to post by DIDtm


Wow, such anger. So is there a happy medium between your two witnesses (who may be just a tad bit off), the dozens of other witnesses (who may be just a tad bit off) and the flight data that fits the OS....yes. Won't really matter to you though. You have your two witnesses.

Still does not change the fact that at the Pentagon, the physical evidence shows that Flight 77 slammed into it on 9/11/01.

Are you having doubts about the official story yet...Sure seems like your beliefs differ from it.

Nope, no doubts. But then, Im not blind enough to think that every question will always be answered. There are always unknowns.

reply to post by DIDtm


If you accept that AA 77 was within yards of the Pentagon on 9/11 it is hard to see how you can reach any other conclusion but that it crashed into it.

Are you a supporter of CIT ? Their theory has gained no traction in years and they seem to be widely viewed as disinfo agents.

Their witnesses, those able to see, unanimously say the plane hit the Pentagon . They have'nt found a single one who saw it fly over.

Originally posted by xweaponx
Just watched the episode and WOW! All I can say is there are some pretty interesting facts. What are your opinions ladies and gents?

Here is a summery of the complete episode in my words:
Fact 1: Donald Rumsfield 09/10/01 speaks about 2.3 trillion dollars coming up missing from tax payers. Anything with that much money would launch a HIGH scale investigation

I heard that. I remember Rumsfeld's speech and the story in the paper, and at the time wondered how rich people could lose trillions of dollars like that. Later research on the Pentagon "attack" showed me the truth of the matter, and Jessie just cemented it in my mind further.

Fact 2: 09/11/01 Plane, Missile, Bomb hits pentagon in the computer network in the financial division completely knocking out all the computers that kept record of the 2.3 trillion dollars, and no investigation could be done since well....the computers are gone.

Well, you must admit, it was a very good way to get rid of what could have been incriminating evidence, and it is clear that the Bush Cabal looted the U.S. Treasury and the Social Security Trust, then saddled us Americans with the Patriot Act and "law by edict." Then the downfall of the American Economy began it's slide into poverty and bankruptcy.

Fact 3: Cell phone calls could not be placed on a plane that was so high up and the plane had NO equipped backseat phones.

At the time I remember a pilot told me that the only phones that would work at high altitudes was a Sat Phone, and each airliner was equipped with one. I knew at the time the phone calls were faked, I just needed someone who knew more than me about it to tell me true.

Fact 4: A highly surveillance building having over 100 security camera on the outside and only ONE camera caught the "plane, missile, bomb" hit the building....

I always wondered about this too. I have seen the Pentagon and it is a military installation, folks. Cameras everywhere, for every angle possible. TPTB got it all on film, but they are not telling us what is on the film. I would bet it is just like Jessie said, a plane carrying a missile swept down and dropped a payload into the Pentagon, right were it needed to go, right on target. Criminals go free every day for lack of evidence.

I think there is more to what the government is saying. Plus where and what happened to 2.3 trillion dollars? That is a LOT of money to go missing and no trail to where it went since the trail has been blown up....

edit on 17-12-2010 by xweaponx because: (no reason given)

Sadly, we will never know the truth of the matter unless we arrest and torture the participants into telling us. They will never willing give it up, unless one gets a pang of conscious and give a death bed confession. It was a good show, I watched every second of it. Jessie Ventura is my hero.

reply to post by autowrench


And as many times as it has been pointed out (on this thread) that there was never 2.3 trillion DOLLARS missing......people on this thread keep latching onto that lie.

Originally posted by misfitofscience

Full episode here!

I ask, all, that firmly believe in the Official Version of what happened, to please at least watch the episode, and help explain to those of us that are still on the fence.....

1....Why is the hole in the Pentagon only 16 feet in diameter.....Would not the wings and engines at least cause some exterior damage, instead of just folding in....going through the 16 foot hole?

2......Why was the testimony of the gentleman...(Mannetta?) taken out of the official report..When the plane was within 10 miles.....he asked Cheney if the stand-down order was still in effect....and Cheney said yes? Why would the Air Force be asked to stand down?? Doesn't make any sense.

3....Why is the only video released... one that does not show a plane....but if one goes frame by frame...a small pointed object...that looks no more than a couple of feet in diameter....is seen....barely entering the frame?

I know someone explained it had to do with the type of lens used....but after watching it several times....I just can't see the nose of a 757....appearing that small....even taking into consideration...the lens factor.

The more one looks into all the....COINCEDENCES......the more questions....one has.

I know that in life.....coincedences happen all the time.....but the number that happened during this horrible day...September,11 2001.......are just too much to accept....without asking a Hell of a lot of questions.

Thanks ahead of time.

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by DIDtm

 

If you accept that AA 77 was within yards of the Pentagon on 9/11 it is hard to see how you can reach any other conclusion but that it crashed into it.

Are you a supporter of CIT ? Their theory has gained no traction in years and they seem to be widely viewed as disinfo agents.

Their witnesses, those able to see, unanimously say the plane hit the Pentagon . They have'nt found a single one who saw it fly over.

Im not a stern believer of anything. Especially not the OS.
I have questions and wonder why so many people saw something different than what would coincide with the 9/11 report/NIST.
I wonder why so many testimonies were left out of the 9/11 report. I wonder why some such witness's were never investigated or interviewed, when the Commission knew of them.

And regarding your post, of which I quoted above; yes, there was an eyewitness that saw a plane fly over/around the Pentagon.
I would post the video but it has been posted several times before in other threads by me, as well as other people. Of course, he gets ignored by believers when posted.

....please at least watch the episode...

I tried....it is difficult to stomach that man, though. (It helps when he does voice overs....I just picture the character "Kevin" from the TV show The Office...).

Without seeing the whole thing, but having read a LOT of the mistakes and misconceptions that abound on this topic....(I will try to see it, and make some notes...the first four minutes? I saw that, and have already drawn some conclusions as to the veracity of the rest of it....what a load of horse-spit, and hype, just in the intro!!!).

1....Why is the hole in the Pentagon only 16 feet in diameter.....Would not the wings and engines at least cause some exterior damage, instead of just folding in....going through the 16 foot hole?

Usually, when I see the "16-foot hole" mentioned, it includes a shot of the hole in the inner ring wall....the EXIT hole where some debris punched through. The actual outer facade breach was about 75 feet wide.

2......Why was the testimony of the gentleman...(Mannetta?) taken out of the official report..When the plane was within 10 miles.....he asked Cheney if the stand-down order was still in effect....and Cheney said yes? Why would the Air Force be asked to stand down?? Doesn't make any sense.

The "Minetta" story...yes, that is another old chestnut, taken out of context...usually intentionally. Not sure what "official report" is referred? The "9/11 CR"? That was primarily a study of what LED UP TO the attacks, and the intelligence failures that prevented proper pre-emptive response by various agencies of the government, whose job it was to protect. THERE, BTW, is your "smoking gun"...it is the "cover-my-ass" mentality of the ones responsible, who FAILED....that is the "smell" that has led to all of these "9/11 conspiracies" ever since.

Nutshell on Minetta, and Cheney "in the bunker". Depending on timing (will have to be certain, will check) the "order" referred to may have been the "protect the House at all costs" that Cheney issued, in concert with the Secret Service, and was communicated to NORAD and ANG commanders. "House" is of course, inferred to be the White House. It is inferred that Cheney, on his own initiative (before Bush was consulted) advocated a shoot-down IF the WH was deemed to be targeted and threatened. As it turned out, as American 77 approached, there were still no air assets in place over DC. They arrived shortly after the impact at the Pentagon.

3....Why is the only video released... one that does not show a plane....but if one goes frame by frame...a small pointed object...that looks no more than a couple of feet in diameter....is seen....barely entering the frame?

Only camera that managed to capture an image of the airplane.

Sorry you still don't understand the effects of that sort of lens, that is used by that camera, and the "false perspective" that makes things appear smaller than they actually are. You CAN research that, on some photography websites, if you wish to try...you may learn something......OR, if you can afford it, buy some equipment, and see for yourself.

Originally posted by DIDtm

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by DIDtm

 

If you accept that AA 77 was within yards of the Pentagon on 9/11 it is hard to see how you can reach any other conclusion but that it crashed into it.

Are you a supporter of CIT ? Their theory has gained no traction in years and they seem to be widely viewed as disinfo agents.

Their witnesses, those able to see, unanimously say the plane hit the Pentagon . They have'nt found a single one who saw it fly over.

Im not a stern believer of anything. Especially not the OS.
I have questions and wonder why so many people saw something different than what would coincide with the 9/11 report/NIST.
I wonder why so many testimonies were left out of the 9/11 report. I wonder why some such witness's were never investigated or interviewed, when the Commission knew of them.

And regarding your post, of which I quoted above; yes, there was an eyewitness that saw a plane fly over/around the Pentagon.
I would post the video but it has been posted several times before in other threads by me, as well as other people. Of course, he gets ignored by believers when posted.

If you mean Roosevelt Roberts he did not see a p[lane fly over the Pentagon. And, even if he did, he would be unique.

Originally posted by Alfie1

If you mean Roosevelt Roberts he did not see a p[lane fly over the Pentagon. And, even if he did, he would be unique.

So, in fact you made another false statement.

Their witnesses, those able to see, unanimously say the plane hit the Pentagon . They have'nt found a single one who saw it fly over.

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Sorry you still don't understand the effects of that sort of lens, that is used by that camera, and the "false perspective" that makes things appear smaller than they actually are. You CAN research that, on some photography websites, if you wish to try...you may learn something......OR, if you can afford it, buy some equipment, and see for yourself.

edit on 20 December 2010 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)

Using that logic, wouldn't everything else in the video also be seen as 'smaller than they actually are'?

reply to post by weedwhacker


Thanks for responding. I am new to this. I have not 1,000th the knowledge of what may have really happened that terrible day.

To tell you the truth....I never really had a reason to question the Official Version. Only after reading and viewing what some have questioned, have I started to have a lot of questions myself.

I quess I stayed away from injesting information about all of this, because to me it is sickening. No matter how...or why..or who knew what...and when. It was, and still is a sickening day for Our Country.

I found this video to be enlightening......The first 4 minutes are concerning Flight 93......Then info on flight 77 begins...and with some good music...I might add.......I'll keep listening...looking...and thinking...Maybe someday we can find peace in our hearts, and minds.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by TheWatcher11

 

Why do you suppose ALL possible video evidence would have been collected?? Any reason you can think of, when they conduct an investigation, to determine all the facts they can?

BTW...the term "confiscated" is used, intentionally it seems, by the "conspiracy" sites in order to innuendo-drop.

ALL "tapes", and other video recordings, were returned.

Making such a claim suggests you have corroborating proof, yet, you refuse the courtesy of a link?

Originally posted by weedwhacker


Well, first....EVERY case is different.

When matter is in constant velocity, and then suddenly comes to a stop, fuel in this case becomes atomized. (It explodes) Just like the two WTC towers that was captured by video upon contact, the explosion was enormous, and there was no fuel left to burn. However, the shear heat of the explosion ignited the "office furniture" in the immediate areas.

Do you need a link to this item of common sense?

reply to post by weedwhacker

Usually, when I see the "16-foot hole" mentioned, it includes a shot of the hole in the inner ring wall....the EXIT hole where some debris punched through. The actual outer facade breach was about 75 feet wide.

There's plenty of vid and pics of this event..
I'm still waiting for you to show this 75' wide hole you are talking about Weedwhacker..

Seems you are the only one that saw it....

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by TheWatcher11

 

There were relatively few cameras actually pointed at the Pentagon that day. If you cannot comprehend that fact, then its useless to talk to you about it. The FBI, in the interest of being thorough snagged all the tapes from all the businesses around to see if there were ANY views that might show anything.....and they didn't.

... Did the media get those tapes to show the masses what "didn't show anything?"

Wouldn't a media body who claims to bring news into the family home wish to bring resolution?

Originally posted by zeta55
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Thanks for responding. I am new to this. I have not 1,000th the knowledge of what may have really happened that terrible day.

To tell you the truth....I never really had a reason to question the Official Version. Only after reading and viewing what some have questioned, have I started to have a lot of questions myself.

I quess I stayed away from injesting information about all of this, because to me it is sickening. No matter how...or why..or who knew what...and when. It was, and still is a sickening day for Our Country.

I found this video to be enlightening......The first 4 minutes are concerning Flight 93......Then info on flight 77 begins...and with some good music...I might add.......I'll keep listening...looking...and thinking...Maybe someday we can find peace in our hearts, and minds.

www.youtube.com...

Here is an opposing viewpoint of the first video animation

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by autowrench

 

And as many times as it has been pointed out (on this thread) that there was never 2.3 trillion DOLLARS missing......people on this thread keep latching onto that lie.

Key words huh?

What is the difference between missing, and unaccounted for?