12/17/10 Jesse Ventrura Pentagon Episode

reply to post by vipertech0596


So why were the tapes confiscated then?

"Unfortunately all of the security cameras around the Pentagon, a rather heavily monitored and important building, were pointed in the wrong direction that day."

Damn our luck!!!

Truly Laughable, as a said even a child would understand these lies.

Your replies are comedy gold.

reply to post by TheWatcher11


Why do you suppose ALL possible video evidence would have been collected?? Any reason you can think of, when they conduct an investigation, to determine all the facts they can?

BTW...the term "confiscated" is used, intentionally it seems, by the "conspiracy" sites in order to innuendo-drop.

ALL "tapes", and other video recordings, were returned.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Oh they were returned...i guess that is why we still can't see them...you are becoming more ridiculous in your statements by the day.

BS, the cameras would clearly show the missile more clearly that makes that interesting smoke trail we see in the few frames (scraps) we got.

Poor Jamie Mcintyre of CNN, he is dam sure there is no plane at all...as anyone would be, and then is forced to retract his statement years later...poor guys face was twisted in pain as he knowingly lied on tv, after that he was gone...i guess they got to him,, too.

reply to post by zeta55


Well, first....EVERY case is different.

So basically, when a plane crashes....almost all of the fuel ignites after impact?

What you see (at the Pentagon, the WTC, and in that B-52 video) when you see the large fireball it is the result of initial atomization of the fuel...into "vapor state"....and it combusts most effectively, and powerfully, when atomized, and mixed with air. It works exactly the same way (on a much smaller scale, of course) in an internal combustion engine. Look into that, if you wish...whether a carburetor, or fuel injected engine, it requires the fuel to be "misted" (vaporized) and needs oxygen too, in order to ignite and burn.

It is well-known (I hope) that you can toss a lighted match onto a pail of Jet fuel (which is basically kerosene) and it may, or may not ignite. Same with gasoline (although, gasoline is a bit more volatile...forget the technical term, just think "higher octane" if that helps. And, depends on the amount of fumes present...enough vapor, and the match will ignite that, before it hits the liquid, and you will result in a surface fire, as the fuel burns off....it needs air, remember).

In the B-52 example, on impact the fuel sprayed out, as expected by the laws of physics (like at the Pentagon), but the vast majority remained liquid, and gravity and momentum dictated where it went. Note how the fire progressed, post-impact. The intense fireball, about 6 to 7 seconds, or so, as the vapor burns off...then, the remainder results in the black smoke....it is not just the kerosene, but also any other flammable material that happens to be present too.

Let's see....ever heard of "fire pots" or "fire barrels"? A crude way to provide lighting, mostly what I've seen/read is during WWII, to illuminate a landing field at night...when electricity is not available. Might even be in use, even today, in very rural areas.....

A barrel, full of some fuel (gasoline/kerosene) set ablaze. The top surface burns, but it won't "explode". UNLESS, of course, something causes a disruption (tip it over) and there is vapor created.

So, that's how I understand the way liquid petroleum fuels burn.



Now, you can watch (and laugh) at this idiot, and understand what he did wrong!!! (Particularly funny, he makes a "trail" that he, I assume, thinks will act like a "fuse" or something!!!):



Oh, and THIS one is funnier (since no one got hurt):

reply to post by GrinchNoMore


Ah yes, Jamie McIntyre and how he was "forced to recant years later".

Here's a clue, go find the entire transcript and video from his report. He CLEARLY states it was an airplane that hit the Pentagon. The oft-misquoted line he spoke was in response to the studio asking him about the plane hitting the ground before it hit the Pentagon. And he was stating that there was no sign it hit the ground, but that it directly impacted the building.

No recanting years later. He clearly stated on 9/11/01 that it was an airplane and he described some of the wreckage he was seeing.

reply to post by TheWatcher11


There were relatively few cameras actually pointed at the Pentagon that day. If you cannot comprehend that fact, then its useless to talk to you about it. The FBI, in the interest of being thorough snagged all the tapes from all the businesses around to see if there were ANY views that might show anything.....and they didn't.

I wanted to post 123 lines of 'ha ha ha ha...' but I figured the mods would eat it. vipertech, weedy and dave - you have restored my sense of humour, although I thought this was a seroous forum, not comedy.
Have you guys done stand up too?

reply to post by weedwhacker



Throw it! Throw it!

great video and also good explanation on the atomization of the fuel, Do you suppose thats why the fire in the pentagon frames seems to travel over the building?

Because of the "planes" forward momentum carrying the fuel forward?

@GenRadek, you wrote:



"You said you fly for Delta...which I took at face value. THEN, you wrote that, and it triggered my "BS" flag. Because, as far as I recall, Delta has NEVER HAD any B-737-400s."


If you read what I posted a said a fellow pilot on ANOTHER forum posted his experiment showing cell phone call's can not be made. Him piloting a plane his experiment.

Also have you ever flown a jumbo jet? I'd like to see your logbook entries to make sure your a real pilot and not a general aviation pilot. So private message me it, I'll be waiting.

There are a lot of evidence that you a denying. The black boxes of the supposed 4 planes. Did you know this is the ONLY accident in aviation history where the black boxes were never found? Heck they can find them in the bottom of oceans. And did you know the clean up crew even took photo's and hand delivered them to the FBI but yet to this day the FBI still claims they never found the black boxes....hmm...what could be on the black boxes.....you don't need a terrorist to take down a plane, Pilots can very easily take down a plane...

reply to post by GenRadek


Is that the only thing you can find to assure yourself that the "truth movement" is BS? Please... Oh wow the 2.3 trillion dollar may have been twisted around... I could careless about the truth movement. I care about the truth and mainstream media fails to provide that. If you turn on the news all you here is racism, violence, and Jr. high educated bystanders giving the reporters what they need to hear. How about all the subliminal messaging in movies, cartoons, and mainstream music? This is much bigger than arguing about stupid 9/11 facts, that was almost a decade ago and we need to focus on the lies being propagated right now. Since you seem to be able to provided me with the lies brought about by the truth movement lets hear it! I want to know why are we in the middle east, why are we going to Yemen, why does the Federal government want control of our foods(S-510), why does money keep disappearing with no accountability, and what is G.W.B. talking about in this video? I have some heavier issues i could ask you about, but I will wait and see what you have to say on these issues. Also have you seen Jessee's show on our water supply and why we are constantly shipping our fresh water to china while we drink the "toilet water." I would also like to know how you can prove 2.3 trillion dollars did not actually go missing. I see the full speech he made, but how can I trust him? Give me proof that since 9/10/2001 they have accounted for the 2.3 trillion dollars. If you would like... Educated me and others further please.




I'm not a lover of Jessee Venture, but I do support him for giving uninformed Americans some insight on the world they don't see everyday. He does make mountains out of mole hills sometimes, but he also suggest very relevant information that even ATS does not cover because he actually goes around the country researching on his own. One of the key points he brought across about Fusion centers and how they have absolutely no oversight from any government branch, they virtually all run independently. How do I know terrorists have not infiltrated these centers that gather intelligence and use this intelligence to carry out an attack? I went to my states fusion center website and I took a look under the about us section and this what I found.

“The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.”

President John F. Kennedy Speaking to the American Newspaper Association
April 27, 1961

To me that is a BIG F YOU to J.F.K. Looking forward to hearing from either of you.

A secret society does not exist... A private one does. They admit it too. It's not a secret.

"I Love my country, but not my government."

reply to post by SSDDay


At that particular time, the entire US Defense budget was in the neighborhood of 400 billion dollars. And you believe that not only FIVE YEARS worth of military budget was missing, but that it was also actually CASH. And you want us to disprove YOUR misinformed belief?

reply to post by vipertech0596


Did you even read my post? Obviously not. No I don't believe 2.3 trillion dollars cash went missing, I just want you or him or anyone to prove it. That is not even the point I'm arguing, but that is the only thing you and the other guys want to talk about. I don't give a f#%^ about what happened that 2.3 trillion dollars! WHATEVER! It was a decade ago. You seem to think the government gives it to you straight, when almost everything they say has been fabricated or altered. What does The Bilderberg Group discuss? Why does the money trail always lead to Halliburton? Why is Halliburton run by Freemasons? Why were a large number of presidents Freemasons, when the majority of the public doesn't even know what a Freemason is? Don't you think the public would know a little more about leaders if there was nothing to hide? Why are politicians and corporate leaders always dancing around questions and never giving any straight answers? Why are you going to dance around my questions and give me a bias opinion? Why am I aware of this information and asking these questions? Because I grew up outdoors learning about life, from REAL life experiences not the T.V.... My idols were my Mom & Dad, not Lady Gaga, Jay z, or Sponge-bob. Take a step back and realize America is not the only place in the world and Man was more than capable of living without machines, supermarkets, and cable T.V... More importantly Man has been striving for world domination and control its just a simple fact of human nature. What is so hard to believe its happening today and not only, but man has much more power and technology then ever before.

A friend of mine was a contractor for the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT), and his office was located up the road from the Pentagon, across the street from the Naval Annex and Air Force memorial. VDOT operated a ton of traffic cameras in that area, since the 395/GW Parkway and Columbia Avenue intersections all are located in the immediate vicinity of the Pentagon. In addition, major traffic areas, such as Pentagon City Mall, Crystal City and Rosslyn are all located in that immediate area, not to mention the 14th street bridge into the District.

I asked him about what he saw that day, and he was reticent to mention any specific details, but he did say that the FBI was there within minutes to take his film/data backups. What's interesting is that he committed suicide a few years later. We all assumed that he had killed himself due to his impending divorce, but what I didn't know was that he had been contacted by a group investigating the Pentagon strike, and had furnished them with a CD-ROM of images he had obtained from an Army Photographer. His death occurred within days of this meeting. It makes me wonder about the timing, as I had spoken to him about his separation from his wife and family, and while he was depressed, his suicide was definitely a shock to me, and many of the people who knew him.

Many things don't add up from that day. I may have actually been on the property right around the time of the strike. I had taken a train in from Manassas, VA and had switched to Metro at the Alexandria King Street Metro stop. I caught the first metro trail, which was a yellow line, but needed to switch trains to get a blue line toward the GW Hospital stop, near where my office was located in Georgetown.

I got off the train at the Pentagon stop, and waited a few minutes for a blue train. While I was waiting, a Metro Employee walked over to the platform, spoke into his radio, then jumped down onto the tracks, to recover a beach ball that had somehow fallen onto the tracks. I kind of chuckled about this, and caught my train. When I got out at the GW Hospital Stop, I hopped onto a bus which operated a shuttle to Georgetown.

When I got on, the driver asked if we'd heard about what was happening up in NY. No sooner had he told us that planes had hit the WTC, than a voice came over the radio saying "They've hit the Pentagon!" I looked over in that direction and saw the black plume of smoke rising up into the air. I will never forget that day, and the days that followed. Not having any airplanes in the sky, and seeing National Airport completely empty was eerie, and somewhat disconcerting. I am still not 100% sure about what happened that day, but I do lean toward the inside job theory, as I find the "Original Story" to be completely illogical. I mean, to believe that 19 hijackers could defeat a multi-billion dollar air defense system is one thing, but when you consider the collapse of the 3 buildings in NY, and the coincidences we are asked to believe, I just can't do it.

As a Veteran, and someone who once worked in the political world as a volunteer, I am saddened by the fact that I no longer have the optimistic belief in the "goodness" of our Nation and Government, but am now able to believe that our Government could have had a hand in the murder of over 3000 people on that horrible day. This is as a direct result of 9/11.

Originally posted by DarkRift
Great episode. Just watched it. This episode answered the question to what i always wondered. "Why that part of the pentagon". What was in that that locaton. Now i know. This may tie together the other buildings that were targeted that fateful day. Just what do all four buildings have in common. Here is an idea for you to ponder over.

The Pentagon had the financial data wiped out.
Both WTC may have held similar or backup data like that at the Pentagon.
Building 7. 'Apparently' had gold in the basement that was never recovered or found.

If you were a terrorist. Why target the Pentagon or the WTC's. Why not into the heart of enemy, the Whitehouse.

All that being said. What will become of this. Honestly, nothing. No one will be brought up on charges. They have got it away with again and again. The people at the very top look after each other and don't care for you or i.

Just remember they do these terrible acts to protect you.

The Penatagon is a Symbol of American Military
The World Trade Center a Symbol of American Greed / Money
The White House the Symbol of American Power, this was Targeted but crashed.

I can not think of any better targets that Identifes the USofA, Greed, Power and Military.
You might also notice the Statue of Liberty was never a Target, and the Lincoln Memorial was
also never a Target. So when Bush announced they attacked our Freedom and Democracy...,
that wasn't the case at all. They attacked everything else but.

reply to post by SSDDay


I see. A NWO fanatic. Pretty much all that needs to be said. Im too old and know way too much to know that the US government is lily white. However, I also know that the US government isnt quite the boogeyman people like you think it is.

reply to post by xweaponx


I think you meant to reply to me, not GenRadek.....

If you read what I posted a said a fellow pilot on ANOTHER forum posted his experiment...

Yeah, sorry....went back to look at your post again. Reading quickly, easy to miss it the way it's written, and use of the first person "I" makes it seem you're talking about yourself. Take another look...

Also have you ever flown a jumbo jet?

I don't think GenRadek has. I spent several years ('87-'89, I think) on the old A-300-B4 (when we had them), and a lot of happy years on the DC-10. Nice airplane. All right seat back then....seniority. Upgraded in '92, 737. Too soon...Reserve sucks! Little bit better relative seniority on the DC-9, so jumped there ....and transition to the MD-80. Finally held the B-757 CA bid in '98. We began getting the 767s starting in 2000. The sub-base includes both.

I'd like to see your logbook entries to make sure your a real pilot and not a general aviation pilot. So private message me it, I'll be waiting.

Not gonna happen. You aren't that important.

There are a lot of evidence that you a denying. The black boxes of the supposed 4 planes.

Why did you say "black boxes"? I really hate that...sort of terms used by laypeople...AND..."supposed"???

Odd that you bring them up, in THIS thread about the Pentagon....since there's a great deal of information on the SSFDR from AAL 77.

Did you know this is the ONLY accident in aviation history where the black boxes were never found?

Strawman. And, technically...not quite accurate. Air France 447. BUT, not for lack of trying to find them...

Heck they can find them in the bottom of oceans.

Yes, of course...they are DESIGNED to be found. Really, AF 447 is special, though...very difficult since is so deep, and exact location not known....

And did you know the clean up crew even took photo's and hand delivered them to the FBI but yet to this day the FBI still claims they never found the black boxes....

What are you talking about? BOTH Flight Recorders from the 757s were recovered, and readable. The other four (2 FDR/2 CVR) were crushed, buried, demolished in the mess of the Twin Towers' collapse.


Now, next, while true...most puzzling thing to say (?):

....you don't need a terrorist to take down a plane, Pilots can very easily take down a plane...

Yes....the (at least) four hijackers each on separate airplanes, all DID "take down" the airplanes. Rather spectacularly, in three cases....all tragically as well.

reply to post by vipertech0596


HAHA exactly you have nothing to say. Whatever. I'm done with ATS and all over reacting nitwits on here ruined it. This website is not about facts or trying to prove anything anymore, Its all fear mongering idiots. Not one person can answer anything I have layed out for discussion. Just wait until all your liberties and freedoms are gone, then again no one is going to care because they have Hollywood movies and twitter to keep em' busy.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by curious_soul

 

You really want to quibble over a hundred or so foot difference in flight paths? That make absolutely NO difference in the end result? And listening to the leading questions coming from the interviewer...hes encouraging their stories in the direction he wants. Not to mention there is a bit of memory recall issues with witnesses. Going back to them years later, you are going to find differences in their stories. Do you have any interviews of those same people from that day?

How naive are you?
The flight path that these particular witness' claim, make the entire OS story of 'how' the plane hit the Pentagon a 'lie'.

reply to post by weedwhacker



You say this is a short fire but the vid cuts out too soon..
How do we know how long it burned?
Have you got a longer vid??

reply to post by SSDDay


Because you spew forth such a confused line of thinking that its hard to stop laughing long enough to try to take you seriously.