12/17/10 Jesse Ventrura Pentagon Episode

Since the Event of 911 and the Invasion Wars of Afghanistan & Iraq

for 9 years The whole mess is a Long Dragged out Movie much Like Catch 22

The One's that have Seen it Remember it would know what im talking about For the one's that Haven't

Watch the Movie its about War & Corporate Elites to make MONEY & Profit

Sound Familiar?

[Milo:] "Look, I didn't start this war, Yossarian […] I'm just trying to put it on a businesslike basis. Is anything wrong with that? You know, a thousand dollars ain't such a bad price for a medium bomber and a crew. If I can persuade the Germans to pay me a thousand dollars for every plane they shoot down, why shouldn't I take it? "Because you're dealing wit the enemy, that's why. Can't you understand that we're fighting a war? People are dying. Look around you, for Christ's sake!" Milo shook his head with weary forbearance. "And the Germans are not our enemies," he declared. "Oh, I know what you're going to say. Sure we're at war with them. But the Germans are also embers in good standing of the syndicate, and it's my job to protect their rights as shareholders […] .Don't you understand that I have to respect the sanctity of my contract with Germany?" "No," Yossarian rebuffed him harshly. (24.52-55)

Milo is sincere in his righteousness. He honestly thinks he has done nothing wrong, even though Mudd died, and he (Milo) holds contracts with America's enemy, Germany. In his own flawed way, Milo – in earning as much money as possible for his syndicate – is adhering to his own personal integrity. He would think it a sin not to make a big a profit. According to Milo, everything that benefits the syndicate benefits America.

More Like the Scene in Catch 22 of Americans Blowing up their Own Own Base For Favors

Near the End of the Movie as the American are Bombing Their Own Air force Base for a Favor for the Germans for in return of Corrupt Profits and Deals Making Money ...

. I won't forget this. The Air Force won't forget this. Don't be ridiculous! What's good for M&M is good for the Air Force. - There goes the bomb dump! - We had to get rid of that cotton.The Germans promised to take it off our hands if we ran this mission for them. - It's all part of the deal. - There goes the Officers' Club! You made a deal to bomb our own base? A contract is a contract. That's what we're fighting for. Lieutenant Minderbinder speaking. Will you clear the field, please?

This time Milo had gone too far. Bombing his own men and planes was more than even the most phlegmatic observer could stomach, and it looked like the end for him […]. Decent people everywhere were affronted, and Milo was all washed up until he opened his books to the public and disclosed the tremendous profit he had made. He could reimburse the government for all the people and property he had destroyed and still have enough money left over to continue buying Egyptian cotton. Everybody, of course, owned a share. And the sweetest part of the whole deal was that there really was no need to reimburse the government at all. (24.69)

America condemns Milo for turning on his own country until he shows that he has turned an enormous profit that will benefit the government. This time, it is not Milo who is the greedy one. The American people must also bear the blame for their greed in stopping their persecution of Milo once they realize that they all profited from the deaths at Pianosa.

Catch 22 Greed Quotes
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Watch the Movie ! by the End of this Movie (Catch 22) you will be thinking is that whats going on All along

Or its the Fund Raiser ! Campaign!

As I Pump my Gas for 3.25 a Gallon
Truth is Stranger than Fiction !

Oil OIL Bush Family Connection Ties with the Middle east and Europe Deals being made

Wasn't The Hijackers (terrorist) from Saudi Arabia ? well the Majority ? on those 4 Planes ! of 911 ?

and the Clean and Sweep on the Pentagon right towards those Databases that contain the Files of Documents of where they spent that money .. it wasn't Missing IMO it never was just Misplaced ,, Maybe it Showed Dirty Deals.Bribes Favors in those DATA BASES or Just big unexplainable Gaps . that just had to be Destroyed ? that Conspiracy lovers would get a hold of You know... (Underground Bases , Skunk works , MK-Ultra projects Aliens, Weapon Deals Etc.. . and for the WTC Towers what were those Building's Used for Again ? 2.3 Trillion Dollars is hard to cover up whats the Spending was Actually used Especially When Congress is Breathing down The Bush Administrations Neck For Answers TPTB could not just walk in and Barge in and say give me all the Info you have about the Deal we made the Originals !

Movies
1 Catch 22
2 Lords Of War
Come in mind

a Refresh of what company's were in the World Trade Center Towers and Buildings

List of World Trade Center tenants
www.cnn.com...

Can any of those Company's Could & Would make some Shady Deals with the Government ?

CBS
LOS ANGELES, Jan. 29, 2002
The War On Waste
Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion
www.cbsnews.com...

(CBS) On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said. He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat. "In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said. Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten. Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending."

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976. In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."

Dam i Should of Just Copied and Paste the Whole Page .. I Posted it so it wont get Ignored!

Sorry MOD I Know the 3 Quote Rule !

reply to post by curious_soul


You really want to quibble over a hundred or so foot difference in flight paths? That make absolutely NO difference in the end result? And listening to the leading questions coming from the interviewer...hes encouraging their stories in the direction he wants. Not to mention there is a bit of memory recall issues with witnesses. Going back to them years later, you are going to find differences in their stories. Do you have any interviews of those same people from that day?

I have 4 words to say that sum it all up... SHOW US THE VIDEOS! End of story... Whats the big deal? They show us a few frames that to me looks like the tip of a missile that seems way smalls to be the tip of a 757. Why can't the public see the surveillance videos? If there are that many recorded angles of the attack then lets see one definitive shot of the plane! We won't ever get to see it and to me that right there is enough to call in to question what really happened. 10 seconds of video and it could put all this to rest...

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by curious_soul

 

You really want to quibble over a hundred or so foot difference in flight paths? That make absolutely NO difference in the end result? And listening to the leading questions coming from the interviewer...hes encouraging their stories in the direction he wants. Not to mention there is a bit of memory recall issues with witnesses. Going back to them years later, you are going to find differences in their stories. Do you have any interviews of those same people from that day?

Sorry i asked, seriously. I didn't expect such a narrow response. We're talking about supposed radar data that should be well within a 100 ft of accuracy compared to apparently credible eye wittness accounts.

Anyone else want to give it a shot?

Hi Guys!

LOL!

I swear, Jesse's a member of ATS. He's probably using a weird call sign like "Capitan Conspirator".

I'm just saying cause if you watch clips like these :

www.youtube.com...



you'd wonder if he just ripped off some of the threads here and put it on his book, or appearances. If true, that would be AWESOME!!! LOL.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by TheWatcher11

 

The funny part, is, you actually believe what you post. Anyone who has had their eyes open since about, oh, the 70s, would know how easy it was for a determined enemy attack us. Most of your so-called coincidences are nothing more than links in the chain. The rest of them are nothing more than "fluff" really.

You my friend, suffer from the illusion that the US Government is all-powerful, all-knowing and completely evil. Anyone who has spent time working for the government knows just how inept and inefficient it can be.

This is gibberish to be honest, what was so magical that happened in the 70s?!

reply to post by curious_soul


So, then we should discuss your qualifications that allow you to speak to the accuracy of navigation/detection systems then? Because your knowledge/lack of knowledge of the systems involved would have an affect on the discussion.

reply to post by TheWatcher11


Let me know if you need to borrow a cane.

It was in the 70s, where our politicians started screwing up our national security. Thanks for confirming you dont pay attention.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by curious_soul

 

So, then we should discuss your qualifications that allow you to speak to the accuracy of navigation/detection systems then? Because your knowledge/lack of knowledge of the systems involved would have an affect on the discussion.

I have an extensive background in Land Surveying and i'm as close as you can get to a LS as you can be. I'm positive, i'm way beyond any experience you have in obtainning and plotting cordinates on a map or computer simualtion, like the one that was made. I can give you an easy answer as to why there is a difference, but i have yet to see any information from the Gov that say's they made a mistake, and i'm not going to waste my time speculating.

www.dailymotion.com...

I am not sure if I am doing this correct, but here is a video of a Tomahawk Missle sriking a building.

reply to post by curious_soul


So you have no experience with avionics then? So discussing how a navigation system/data recorders could show a 100 (or more) foot difference between the witnesses and the flight data with you is useless.

reply to post by vipertech0596



We are going round in circles here. If you're satisfied with your governments explanation then go do something else, bake a cake or take a walk. You're offering nothing to this discussion part form your own narrow minded opinion. I think you are struggling to grasp the issues raised by this program, not to mention countless other flaws with the official story. You waffle on about "qualifications and the good old 70s" like a bitter old man.

Why do you think there is no footage clearly showing flight 77 hitting the Pentagon? This question alone could be answered by a ten year old.

People like you are a lost cause, either that or your on the payroll. Your bosses should sack you.

reply to post by zeta55


The video shows a Tomahawk (quite small, only about 6 meters/20 feet long) and the fuel/air fireball explosion (fairly small too).

The Pentagon fireball from the fuel vapors was larger. It was as brief as normal jet fuel-type incidents.

Like this one. This is B-52, and a notTomahawk missile...hope you can agree?:




Keep in mind, amateur video, from 1994-era consumer technology. Multiple copy degradation, looks like.

Also, keep in mind: The pilot responsible for this was under investigation. previously, for his unsafe "hot dogging" of stunts at Air Shows. The Air Force assigned some senior officers to be aboard, for this demonstration. To give him a final evaluation.

One of the evaluating officers' wife and children were in the audience, attending the Air Show that day.....

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by curious_soul

 

So you have no experience with avionics then? So discussing how a navigation system/data recorders could show a 100 (or more) foot difference between the witnesses and the flight data with you is useless.

No, what's useless is continuing this discussion with you. I just hope people take the time to look at the youtube excert i posted earlier that shows a discrapency in the flight path into the Pentagon, that relates to this newest show from JV.

reply to post by vipertech0596


What about the pilots on the Show, or other testimony available, how about there qualifications and experience. Counts for nothing does it, are they all making it up.

You know better than them do you?

Who are you, 007?

reply to post by skeptic_al

But what does make sense is: you have what was purported to be the Worlds most reinforced strongest building was pounded by a relatively soft Plane made of mainly of Aluminium and Titanium. Is it any wonder it was ripped into tiny pieces.

You're just being sarcastic, aren't you? There's no way the Pentagon was rated that strong...

reply to post by TheWatcher11


Why is there no clear footage of the Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon...you are right, that IS an easy one. Its because there weren't any decent cameras in the right position to capture it. You can prattle on all you want about all the security cameras surrounding the area, but until YOU understand that the area businesses did not install their cameras to watch the Pentagon its rather senseless to discuss them.

I have no problems grasping any of the "issues" Jesse talks about. Its too easy to find the actual facts that blow his "issues" all to hell.

And talk about narrow minded opinions...your lack of historical knowledge is a huge blind spot. From the Church hearings to the "peace dividend" to the Clinton era rules on sharing information between agencies...its a long path to 9/11. You figure those out, you will see how easy it was to attack us.

Jesse is starting to find a groove on these shows.
Interesting what they are doing by allowing him to do this.

Regarding the facts of the Pentagon, here is the best documentary on it that proves without a doubt the truth of what Jesse found.

www.thepeoplesvoice.org...

reply to post by weedwhacker


Thank you. My God that was awful. I just hope all those on board.....did not feel a lot of pain.

So basically, when a plane crashes....almost all of the fuel ignites after impact. Is this a correct assumption?

Where's the outrage?

Actually a lot of us have been pretty pissed about it for quite some time now. You can only post about it so much, however. Since it cant be debunked, the "debunkers" leave it alone for the most part. That pretty much kills every thread on the subject.