PROOF: Wikileaks is censoring & deleting cables!!

reply to post by Cablespider

It shows the US lying and the media complicit in helping further that lie.

It does not show the US lying...please show me the lie.

They came to a conclusion based on the information they had...IF that turns out to be the wrong conclusion...then that isn't lying....it may be poor intelligence work...but it isn't lying.

To be lying, you need to show that they knew 100% that Iran didn't have those missiles...and then said they did anyway. Can you show me the information that shows that the US 100% knew that Iran didn't have those missiles?

Originally posted by Cablespider

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations.

(a) In no case shall information be classified in order to:
(1) conceal violations of law

The US State Department telling England to make the waters around Diego Garcia a "national marine park"....to fix the little legal problem where England kicked allll the people off of that island and stole it from them.....

Nope...that State Department Cable shouldn't be classified. Stealing a country from it's people..not legal.

The United States made the Marianas Trench a "national marine park" doing the same thing to Guam. Guam is one of the 16 countries on the UN Decolonization list still waiting to be set free. Yeah we stole that too...

The 1898 Treaty of Paris we signed with spain...only ceded the military forts and roads on Guam and the Philippines to America.....we didn't actually get the Philippines or Guam from Spain..only the military forts and roads spain built.

There still is Spanish Crown owned land on Guam. Isn't that amazing?


Just like England did with Diego Garcia...we stole Guam.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

A true journalist--which JA is not--goes where the evidence leads.

That's EXACTLY what he did!!! He got evidence of misconduct or other stuff, and like any journalist, released it.

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Now that damaging messages of Israel have been noticed by their absence, I have no doubt that we will see some that miraculously appear as if by command. In fact, I bet we can count on it.

edit on 17-12-2010 by Aliensun because: (no reason given)

So first you are mad at no bad enough Israel info coming out, and if they release it now, it's "too late" for you and obviously a conspiracy.

Seriously, I'm gonna start making a tinfoil hat webstore and offer special discounts for you guys in return for making me laugh more like this

edit on 17-12-2010 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


We're going around in circles as you attempt to minimize the situation. I'll concede 'lying' is my cynical look at what happened. Distorting the facts is how the experts termed it. It's still unacceptable either way.

Jetflock

The issue is the censoring of the Wikileaks.
I posted a link to what appears to be a censored document.
I asked if anyone else had seen the item as reported.

Wikileaks has to redact information to protect people's lives, such as troops, innocent civilians.

Wikileaks asked the Pentagon to help them, but they declined.

These attacks on Wikileaks are baseless.

Conspiracy theorists are attacking Wikileaks because Julian Assange is now Public Enemy Number One! They are jealous that their half-assed garbage is now a sideshow to the real conspiracies being revealed by Wikileaks.

Didn't read the whole topic as i grew tired of all of this PROOF!!11 Wikileaks has/does ... so i just copypaste what i wrote to John Young:



I just read the post on Cryptome - Wikileaks Cable Amok - where A wrote about cables disappearing from the cablegate website. As i recall there was a previous post on the Cryptome website stating the same thing. After reading that first post i logged in to the server where wikileaks.lu is hosted and searched for the cables which i found immediately. They are also reachable via the normal cablegate site.

The Post of today mentions the 09LONDON1385 cables:

(root@xxxxxxxxx)-(~) $ locate 09LONDON1385
/var/www/cable/2009/06/09LONDON1385.html

Reachable at:
www.wikileaks.lu...

Sadly i can't find the other post, but i located successfully all those cables that were allegedly removed.

The mirroring of the wikileaks website didn't work perfectly well. 2 Days ago some web pages were back at 800 something cables. Problems with the cable counter seem to have been resolved. Also the people working on the 'originial website' ( i mirror from the bahnhof.se server) seem to have changed some links as my statistics tool showed me a lot of 404's lately for some cables that were reachable via a slighlty modified/shortened link.

Cables have just been altered to remove names / locations.


you may publish this and correct my bad english

Kind regards,

Marc




Please read also the answer to :
cryptome.org... ( scroll down)

reply to post by TheDeader


Yea, cables are missing in some releases and are re-released (in redacted form) days or hours later - so when some people say it's missing from Wikileaks, it may show up later in a different form. You can find missing cables on some mirrors, but the point is that the official Wikileaks site is trying to change its version of the story... Considering people will likely visit the Wikileaks site rather that mirrors (while Wikileaks is still up), most people won't notice missing or changed cables.

That's why I recommend using the "Cable-Diff" releases to track exactly what changes/deletions are happening. The latest update is comparing the December 15th archive to previous ones, but it still proves the point, and they are NOT only redacting names - like I've said probably 10 times in this thread, they redact full paragraphs (in one cable, they redacted 9 full paragraphs that talked about Burma's views on the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and their opinion on Iran), or even full cables.

This news comes at the same time that Hillary Clinton denounced democracy. She all but said that the government will not do the will of its people. For me this is the day America died, the day they made the announcement. My govenment no longer belongs to me but to some corporate interests. The censorship of these cables is just another attack on an open and free society. Nazi-like stormtroopers will enforce this agenda. All the while American thinks it is getting truth, even when the lies are rearranged. I quit America, and Julian Assage is no longer a hero.

reply to post by pforkp


I think you didn't read my post or i explained myself badly:

There were problems in the beginning with the mirrors: The cable count wasn't right (counter on the left site @ cablegate.html). Links have been changed (i.e cable_about_london1837 to 09LONDON1837) (think was in relation with a sync problem between the mirrors - so the cable-diff script isn't 100% waterproof either). Aaaand the most important thing: as wikileaks.lu is hosted on my server (i update it every hour from the swedish bahnhof.se sercver) i can change, manipulate, delete whatever i want. So if you havent' found (respectively not found) the missing or changed cables on other mirrors - it - doesn't - proof - anything - period.

Everytime i read a post here, on cryptome or on any other web site talking about deleted cables i fired up my shell an searched for them on my server and checked the links. Never have i not found the allegedly deleted cables. The last week i build a script that checks filesize, wordcount, checksum, etc of every cable. The only stuff that has been altered where names or/and locations.

If i have the time i'll try to make the script publicly accessible - which i might do because of the incredible amount of people who read something on one ( 1 ) single internet page, check only those links (if they are even doing that) and take it for granted. As you can read on the Cryptome page, even John Young makes mistakes.

So please... i think the internet as teached us all to be very critical on information an back-check it as much as possible before declaring ANYTHING as proof...

reply to post by Xcathdra


It is often said to determine the motivation of an business/political operation like wikileaks, follow the money. Another path is follow the problem/solution model. Wikileaks creates the problem of releasing secret cables and the solution is for Obama's government to take over the Interent.

Before radicals create chaos (riots) as an excuse to issue Marshal law, Obama needs to take control of the media. The Wikileaks cables have done little to impact US foreign relatons. There has been nothing surprising or earth shaking. The information released is more akin to gossip than secrets. So the purpose of the leaks is not to destroy US foreign relations and as we can see here, it is not for transparency. It is to give Obama's government the excuse to take control of the interent.

As we witness the chaos aspect ensue watch the communist and socialist groups (especially those funded by Soros) orchestrate street violence and racial conflict. They will start it when their political enemies are seated in Congress. They will try to get Americans out of control or create the fear in the public that society is out of control. They did this in the 60's and 70's but it did not work on a large scale - only among socialist groups and young people who know no better - a slim minority of the US public. If they can make the public fearful to call for a crackdown on rioters, Obama will then provide the solution - Marshal law and total control through energy and food shortages.

Soros has orchestrated this scenario in four countries already. He and his NWO pals are trying to do it to us. Americans need to wake up and foil these radicals - once again.

Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Soros has orchestrated this scenario in four countries already. He and his NWO pals are trying to do it to us. Americans need to wake up and foil these radicals - once again.

Stop watching so much Beck

Tell me, when has Soros tried to infringe on freedom of speech in those 4 countries?

I know Beck looooooooves to demonize Soros, but let's have a look what Soros did apart from making a ton of $$$ speculating against the Pound:

- Made sure black students could study in South Africa during apartheid.
- Was instrumental in the PEACEFUL democratization of ex-Soviet nations. In fact, he helped those nations with donations amounting to over $4bil. I doubt there's many people who can claim to have donated $4bil to a good cause.
- He donated $100mil to develop an Internet infrastructure in rural Russia...a place where the majority is still without Internet in a lot of cases.
- Donated money to help combat poverty in Africa.
- Supported numerous universities and scientists in Eastern European countries.
- Helped citizens during the battle in Sarajevo.
- He also spent a total of $7bil on education and goodwill projects in the US.

So before you come here trying to drag his name through the mud, look at the facts. That guy has done more good than you probably ever will. You can say he's a speculator and has hurt certain currencies while making money, but that's business and from a business sense was a pretty cool thing to do. Not many people can claim to be able to manipulate the markets like that in a legal way.

Also, if you're wondering why files appear/disappear between mirrors, it's got to do with server mechanics and not only WL redacting things because it could cost people's lives.

Need proof?
LINK

See, file is still there and no sign of censorship! Seriously, at least bother looking up if stuff is really missing/changed before copy/pasting some propaganda blog, it makes you look super stupid...

So In conclusion,

People downloaded this torrent and compared it to current wiki leak documents. They didn't bother trying to find the real documents and assumed that whatever was on that torrent was proof that Wikileaks edited stuff.

Wouldn't you think its obvious wikileaks edited that information? They got everyone to download the information millions of time. That information is accessible from everywhere. He wanted everyone to have it just incase that site went down.

So in conclusion this thread has proved that there are eggheads on here who simply just believe what is put right in front of them without even bothering to go and find out if that information is real. There are people on here with agenda's who rely on that so they can easily fool people into believing everything.

That's what this website does. They fill it with alot of disinformation, lies, prophecies, and dumb people down enough to believe anything without even asking questions.

Have a look at the posters from DTV. Look at the posts now compared to years ago. Most of the members are now dumbed down that they'll believe anything, they'll panic about anything, they'll panic when an ambulence goes, off, they'l panic when the moon looks weird, and they panic when winter has arrived and think its really an ice age.

Have you people realised what has happened?????

reply to post by Gabrielle.Black


The population has systematically been dumbed down to become obedient workers who don't question anything unless some media pundit force feeds them the idea.

George Carlin put it best:



The people need to wake up (especially the blind patriots) and open their eyes again to what's right and what's wrong!

My gosh! Beckian conspiracies. Gordan Duff fluff pieces. My internetz is being threatened.

This is beyond ridiculous. Not once did any of the detractors hold their government and its representative responsible or demand accountability. Not once. Truly sad. You are their eyes, ears and mouthpieces. It is you that concerns me, not them. You'll be the one standing in my way in support of your masters. Enjoy your authoritarian world.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Gabrielle.Black

 

The population has systematically been dumbed down to become obedient workers who don't question anything unless some media pundit force feeds them the idea.

George Carlin put it best:

The people need to wake up (especially the blind patriots) and open their eyes again to what's right and what's wrong!

No one will ever explain it as good as Mr. Carlin. You have my thanks for posting that on here. It might be the most informative piece of data this world ever sees when looking at this country. Bravo! Braaavooo!!!

reply to post by MrXYZ


I knew about Soros and his game way before Beck exposed him. You should do your own research on Soros instead of repeating talking points from Media Matter's - Soros' mouth piece. He's not a good guy unless you are for fascism/toltalarism - then he's dandy. Mr. Progress himself.

Assange and wikileaks is worthless...

What have they leaked that is of ANY importance..

All wikileaks has done is boost assanges ego and give you fanboys something to do..

Get real wikileaks will be gone with the wind same with you fanboys have fun while it last.

Sorryto crash your day with the proof that wikileaks has fudged their information..

IF THE SOURCE IS NOT CREDIBLE THEN THE INFORMATION IS NOT CREDIBLE..

Wikileaks and assange is not credible......

Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

I knew about Soros and his game way before Beck exposed him. You should do your own research on Soros instead of repeating talking points from Media Matter's - Soros' mouth piece. He's not a good guy unless you are for fascism/toltalarism - then he's dandy. Mr. Progress himself.

I guess that's why he worked so hard against communism and then established capitalist systems in ex-Soviet nations...to support "fascism", right?

Please tell me what bad things he did to support fascism??? The man did more good than you ever will...unless you can cough up $12bil and donate it to education, causes that are against communism, and help other charities all over the world. Also, I wanna see you help the black population in South Africa during apartheid get an education, that wasn't easy! Oh, and I'm not getting this information from media matters, it's pretty much public common knowledge, even Wikipedia mentions it (including more sources).

You can say he's ruthless when it comes to manipulating the markets, but tbh, every single investor would do what he did if they had the brains/funds. It's common business sense, can't really fault the guy for that.

If people don't wanna be called dumb, they should do EXACTLY the opposite of what Beck says in his programs.

reply to post by pforkp



Your post , thread is just a General Conspiracies. If it wasnt it will be in the truth section. Like UFOS are General Conspiracies so is your thread