Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

reply to post by nixie_nox


Not only is it immature, it also contradicts the original post. Men don't have to look, but the OP likes to show them off? I am confused.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
I am very busty. I have no trouble dressing attractively AND covering up.

That is not an excuse.

It means you have to shop for clothes differently.

If you want to show cleavage, go to a club or apply at hooters.

And the bit about if I show cleavage you dont' have to look at it, shows immaturity.

Yep! No excuse these days.

Immaturity. Definitely!

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Phenomium

 

I am a woman, and owner of two breats.

dang,
that's a bummer.
that three boobed chick from total recall
was my favorite!

reply to post by hotbakedtater


You need to re-examine how you define sexual. Are biceps sexual? No, but a young attractive man with large biceps has the potential to sexually excite a woman when she sees them. Most straight men find the appearance of cleavage to be sexually exciting. To ask men not to find them sexually exciting, women are expecting men to suppress their natural urges.

Would you object to me walking around your workplace in pants with holes that expose my buttocks? If you would, why? My buttocks are not sexual and I can just say your objection is based on problems with your perception. See how that works?

My woman has large breast.. I understand the fact that they may be too big to cover, but just to showcase them is not an excuse. Yea they are apart of your body, but understand how men view women like that, for one, when you showcase boobs in public, a woman is more likely to be hit on by a man because of sex appeal, because most men in general just want sex. Lots of men think glasses is a turn off, why? Because their not interested in how smart you look. So many women like to wear contacts, and do whatever it takes to get a handsome man to hit on her, while she has no clue that the man that approaches her is interested in one thing. Two, (is my personal opinion) Even in public, it makes you look loose, and guys only wants a loose woman for one thing. I believe women are better than that, your boobs are not your "best asset" unless you think your boobs make you look intelligent, trust me, they don't.

Men and women do things to attract the opposite sex, Lets see, many men try to imitate celebrities as much as possible, because they see women going goo goo ga ga over other men inside of the "slave box" And women do the same, the urge to "showcase" boobs, the whole thing comes from the media, and I believe many women and men are subconsciously falling into it as if its ok.

The workplace is not a place for boobs IMO. When you showcase boobs, a man could be thrown off mentally and may try to kick a few lines in a professional conversation. It's not about oppression, or dominance over women, I just don't think women understand how men think, for if women did then showcasing boobs would not be a pleasure.

The last place I worked at I know of a woman who's interview consisted basically of several guys trying to convince her to work there. At least that is how she described it. She was cute and had shall we say "assets". So, unfortunately, yes, those do help some women sometimes, but it does set a bad precedent in my mind. At the same workplace one of the receptionists was a constant flirt (we had many receptionists that position was like a revolving door), many times when I would go to the front desk she would bend over to pick up something just so I was tormented by looking up her shirt. She would also move in a kind of "slithery" way. I seriously considered writing an e-mail to request she stop. Women seriously need to clean up their act in the workplace. Once I was dumb enough to ask a girl out from work, she gave my message (nothing offensive in it) to the boss. I didn't lose my job, but my point is (besides my being dumb) never look at women at the workplace in a romantic light. Women, don't promote yourself in that manner. Women get plenty of breaks and men bend over backwards to accommodate you. The decent guys are totally paranoid in the workplace most of the time due to antics like those I have described above. We don't need you to complicate the situation with your advances, we're just trying to do our job, leave us alone. Leave our emotions alone, don't titillate us if you aren't interested in us. Don't tease us if you have no intention of pursuing a meaningful relationship. Don't be a hypocrite and be self-righteous, egotistical, ignorant, racist, sexist, or worship the devil. It is wanton attitudes like these women that are significantly contributing to the downfall of our western society. These slutty, thug worshiping, Paris Hilton wannabee, whore promoting, evil women described in the book of Isaiah. Beware all of you, your evil ways will bring upon us the destruction pronounced upon you and all evildoers since the beginning of time. You will pay the price foretold by the prophets of old:

ISAIAH 3:16-24
16 ¶Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts
18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
21 The rings, and nose jewels,
22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

To you women who are decent, comely without being skanky, beautiful without being wretched, I applaud you.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
reply to post by Xiamara

 

As a woman with fairly large cleavage, Its very hard to cover the girls up,

Star for you too!

I think it is sexist we can't help our breast size, so why should we be condemned because our genetics make us a little top heavy.

*salivates*

I have a friend who is a DDD (was a G) and the only way she can cover them up is wearing baggy clothing and that's just unprofessional.

Agreed then. You changed my mind. Ladies, keep those tops tight and professional!

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edit on 16-12-2010 by harrytuttle because: (no reason given)

Your hired!

When can you start?

You are fast tracked for promotion!

reply to post by hotbakedtater


If you want to dress like a tart, feel free. But remember that your employer, who pays your wages. may not want a tart to represent the company.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by GoalPoster

 

And it is the females choice to show cleavage, as it is the males choice to show ill restraint when confronted with said cleavage.

Just becasue the business appears male dominated does not mean us women need to take this kind of oppression.

Totally agree with you it is about freedom. My blood boiled when some compared a sexy top to a stripper dress. How lame is that then..... I have the good fortune to have worked in San Francisco in the Mid 70's to mid 80's and must say I miss nicely dressed women. I live for the last 25 years here in Devon England and a well dress woman is a pair of jeans (not Levi's generic) and some kind of shirt. I think the oppression comes from someone who is intimidated by your body design and the others are frustrated as they know what they are missing when they see you. There is nothing wrong with showing off your assets and to ask to cover them up is like you asking someone who you don't the way that they dress to complain about that which is over the top. Freedom of choice and if it offends you freedom of looking away. LOL hope you don't mind someone like me who is harmless i.e. I look but don't lust I admire and would not try to make you feel ill at ease but I would look and admire from the distance.

How would I treat you well the depends on how you do your job and how that would effect me in the work place!

SnF for you!!!!!

i think it's called projection. if a hetero who enjoys the feminine physique, sees a woman with large breasts and a decent figure (covered or uncovered) he may project onto her, his lack of blood flow to his brain. this translates to "she must be dumb." he doesn't understand that it's his reaction to her appearance that is causing the issue, yet he can't help but think of her as dumb. add to that, if she has a sweet personality, is gregarious, friendly, outgoing, and dynamic, this will add to the entire stereotype of large-breasted women being rather dizzy and idiotic. some guy's recognize this in themselves, some don't. the ones that don't, will projection how you make them feel, unto you, and as a result, for them, you lose IQ points the moment they can see whatever is you're showing off.

I confess.

I've passed over two women for promotion over the years because of how they dressed, ie. short skirts and low necklines.

the business word for this kind of thing is (or was) "optics". How your actions look. And in both of those cases, I know I would have been facing a discrimination grievance from other women in the office, along the lines that I'd promoted them because they dress provocatively.... and even had those grievances not been put forward, the allegations would have been there. They started to appear the moment word got out that the women were being considered, and there is absolutely no reason to think they'd go away.

So... rather than deal with that, in both cases I went with equally capable, equally qualified employees with better dress sense. I don't regret the decision, as it made my life easier - and made the office run more smoothly, because it was pretty clear that no one was going to accept their position or authority.

reply to post by undo


Maybe some guys but most employers don't view it this way. Look i was an employer and when a woman came in showing off her assets and flirted to try and get a job i had the logical question in my head asking why she needed to do that? Are her abilities not up to scratch and so she has to use her looks?

I hired two people eventually, one guy who had good skills with hardware and one girl who had excellent software skills, dressed appropriately for a job and didn't try and flirt her way into my good graces, she immediately earned my respect by acting like a professional. She wasn't ugly either, not that it's important i'm just making the point she could have shown off her assets like many others but she didn't feel the need to, she was relying on her abilities alone.

It's a job, the employer sets the dress standard to promote a certain image and it seems odd to me how men conform to this standard, wearing some uncomfortable and restrictive clothing and yet women want a special pass, they want different treatment. That's not equality.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Phenomium

 

I am a woman, and owner of two breats. Only *I* decide whether they are sexual playthings at the moment or merely two massive blobs sitting on my chest. No man can decide that. How does a man decide if breats are sexual or not?

Do you also arbitrarily decide when gravity works?

reply to post by IceHappy


What nonsense, check the thread, men are perfectly happy for women to show the cleavage in their private time but at work a business has an image to present to the public and certain standards are expected. If people were simply intimidated by cleavage then they would want it banned everywhere but no it's just being said it shouldn't be at work. Oh and it's nothign to do with freedom, a workplace is a private club and the employer can set any standard they want to within the confines of the law.

For example if in the employment contract i stated all employees must be naked at work then anyone signing it, as long as they were aware of the what the contract said would then have to stick to the standard. Likewise if the contract states they must wear appropriate dress for a conservative minded company then they would have to abide by that as well.

Oppression? What a joke, why don't you go and talk to some of the older feminists who were not allowed to vote, that was oppression.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

Where is the sense of entitlement you speak of? Did I claim that private business MUST allow cleavage? No, sure did not.

And as an owner of breasts, maybe it IS entitlement, because I AM entitled to do what I please with my breats, and if others do not like it, that is NOT my problem. Is that what you mean by entitlement?

Anyway it is a debate on the internet, please do NOT assume you know ANY personal motives, or anything personal about me as relating to this debate. It is not about me and my breats, it is about the TOPIC of cleavage at work.

Hotbakedtater,

I go along with the rationale of Zot Twady on page 21 of this thread.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater "I don't care what someone else thinks of my cleavage..."


Yeah, you DO:

and they also had this..

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

"Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts..."
"...it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my cleavage.

Thoughts?

The theme of this thread is about the workplace. I don't care what you do on your time but on your employers time it is a different matter.

You do care what others think or you would not spend the time to make such an irate/emotional response in defense of your beliefs/entitlements.

My question to you is are you "entitled" to such conduct on your employers time??? You know ...like an automatic default setting ..the board just automatically allows such thoughts to play through unquestioned or unchallenged?? You know..like many of today's politicians.

Your modus operandi bespeaks of a public school education...emotions, movie and television thinking/education...ie..entitlement/justification.
Or put another way...I'm sitting on the only one in town...even in the workplace.

and this demonstrates the point I was just stating...about a movie and television education in emotions.

It is not about me and my breats, it is about the TOPIC of cleavage at work.

That is a very deep statement/declaration hotbaked tater...very deep. It takes public education standards to pull that one off on many of us...congratulations.



The discussion here centers around the workplace. It is obvious that you don't know the difference. Nor do you care.

Also..to many out here who also don't know the difference. People who invest their hard earned monies in another business tend to be conservative and look for a business which shows the same conservative values...in everything. Places where there is such an obvious lack of professional attire do not tend to demonstrate conservative values and thinking. These peoples and businesses will tend toward taking their monies and business elsewhere as would I.

Thanks,
Orangetom

edit on 18-12-2010 by orangetom1999 because: (no reason given)