Why haven't we found aliens yet? (good read)

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ATS.X: Alien Contact Meditation
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It takes intelligent life to detect intelligent life
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ETs don’t exist because many haven’t seen them
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Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face
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This post by ET_MAN, concering creation, the universe, Higher Ups, Ets, and the nature of this Holographic School, using metaphors by our standards

I know everyone asks for disclosure, but there is some ET tech I consider disclosure in and of itself, for anyone paying attention or a deep thinker. These vehicles are grown from seeds, and take 18 years to mature enough to road age. ET crafts, continue to grow in space and are living ai technology. Obviously we have some of their tech, eh? In a world with billions starving? We really need to start getting things and caring about others, ending our willingness to fight any war, even to retaliate against someone attacking really, to truly progrress in love and not worry about this world or this life for its just temporal stuff, but do the right thing and Love. Also redistribute all things to all people and start telling the truth about earth history, religions, true spirituality, and technology. Also the right thing to do.

Ok, I forgot to get the link to that car, will be back to add it.

edit to add:crave.cnet.co.uk...

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They've found an alien in Spain and it's alive and talking. Just look up 'Carmen de Mairena' on Google.
On a serious note, let's pray the Contact will happen by 2012. It's high time!

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I've been an experiencer all my life, and from what I can gather both what might be termed Vrill or some progam and observe50 posts things that have similiar jogs in my memory, to what I call higher ups and Family, which is primarily all I can ever recall now. Now for the most part, these memories are relating to contact during sitings of crafts, low flying and one was but 50 feet over our roof soundless, and greeted before it showed up. Crafts also have that non-locality, where you cannot measure infinity, and are more like doors or gateways themselves, ie. a different channel, space-time or density. So a 30 foot craft could contain a whole world or galaxy within. Measure infinity! It can't be done. And things are not what we think in this matrix. Also Quantum Entanglement, jump gates, and stars, its all rather interesting.

In any case, a lot of searching and being drawn by my energy recognition ,the next step so to speak and Higher Self, led to the Quantum information, and made sense of so much.

But as I was saying, dream time visitations, sitings of crafts, and of an et as child but this is stretching memory a long ways. Checkups, but mostly you don't see only feel. I saw a grey, what we call a friend called a pinky actually, I guess ai, at my door out back, end of May. I don't know if Lowki has changed his avatar back to the grey one, but his pic was the closest to what I saw except a dark muted ruddy pink color, and narrow fine head, slender head, not quite like the online pics that way, not buldging, very fine boned, and the body was so thin, almost twig like, a combination between his avatar and a stickman actually. For a full second he was right out the door, and then he twisted to the side and vanished. My son sensed missing time or a time slip, and I had a masked dream of abduction that involved the whole family that night, but the message I was given to write down was quantum time. I was filling out a questionaire in this masked dream with my son, and the date came up. Four blond clones were seated with us, and the one to my right shrugged as if she didn't do "time", were not in 'time" as we are.

But I woke up after she said this, and told me write it down: "I will tell you this, this day took 9 days to complete!"

When we're doing our lessons here in earth time, that can progress us, if we strive to turn weaknesses into strengths and understand this is a really primitive caveman type war planet run by negatives and start to see through it, and strive for LOVE, then our Family/Team helps us. Everything is handled so much more than we think, every hair is counted, every thought monitored. We are never alone. Its all being recorded. But if earth is a hotel, there are times when in the journey here, we get our own private "time" rooms and those we're interacting with are perceptions. They may be 10 years ahead at that moment, and they're finetuning us.

Its so different than we think when our minds are the players of this school, and its perceptions, some shared of course, and they have the remotes.

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Beautiful! You are so special and your loved ones as well. I can relate.

we dont find them,they find us.

i think that when WWIII is about to happen aliens will come

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Do they have a One God system? Do they believe in God? Are they are God (somehow?).

They are not aliens and they don't believe in God in the way humans do. The basic gist of it:

There is a "source" that is located outside our "space-time configuration." The primordial radiation following the big bang eventually evolved into the clusters, galaxies, stars, and planets we see today through some type of algorithm I suspect. Another algorithm would have been used to bring "consciouness" into this physical realm so we could experience our own creation.

The only concept that is relevant is one. These beings probably evolved to intelligence millions or billions of years ago similarly to what we see transpiring on Earth today. Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku speculates that a very advanced (old) civilization might eventually attain the ability to tear a hole in spacetime and go into "hyperspace." In other words, once the consciousness gets intelligent enough, it can return to its source.

The fact that we see them as "aliens" is only perspective and is not a fundamentally sound concept. We all originate from the same "oneness." The source. They are trying to get us to slowly understand that, so we can put our difference aside and return to the source. They use the guise of "aliens" but have used many ways to contact us in the past.

They're trying to get us to drop our fear and pretentious business type attitudes. Use raw intelligence, love, friendship, to build towards the ultimate "science." Right now our science/technology is limited and our old school mammalian mindset of walling ourselves off from eachother is an evolutionary deadend.

Science-spirituality are the same thing to them. To them, floating through a wall is no harder than for us turning on a flash light. There is a power source and science behind it. Granted their science is extreme, likely utilizing things that are "physically real" and things that are "beyond this spacetime configuration." The only way to attain those powers is through understanding that we are one. Spirituality.

Without this understanding, our growth will always be stunted. WW3 will always be looming. There will always be terrorism. Pollution may change our planet's atmosphere to the point where we kill eachother off before we have a chance to develop the science to survive.

The hybrids they're making are a backup plan. They are very concerned that we have "gotten lost" in our physicality and lost sight of who/what we really are. They were once like us. Stupid biochemical machines functioning mainly on emotional fear and mistrust. Love is something we only seem to be able to grasp (and practice) when applied to our "individual self" or "spouse" or "our immediate biological family." Our true "family" is eternal. It is the source and the place where all souls reside.

I'm sure that visiting us is amusing in some ways, because we are quite literally them in the past. Since everything is all one, this leads to one startling conclusion as to what aliens/UFOs are:

1) They are aliens
2) They are time travelers
3) They are God
4) They are us

Taken to the logical conclusion you see that we are:

1) We are aliens
2) We are time travelers
3) We are God
4) We are them

The only real difference between us and them is knowing. They know what they are. We haven't figured it out yet.

If ET's Lived in our time, but could only travel through space by using time travel. would we ever see them or would they go into other existences?

The fact that Humans continue to ask the same questions never ceases to amaze me. You have all been told by many experiencers, and ET's that we are here, among you, waiting ... on YOU!

Your governments have been in close contact for at least the past 64 years, and continue with the disinformation, and your continue to accept the BS, hook line and sinker.

So, I guess, I should say, NO, there are no ETs we are just a figment of our own imaginations ... we don't exist, and Earth is the only planet in all of existance to harbor any form of life. (If ya buy this ... I have some prime alpine realestate in Ohio for sale ...

Please, O Human race; wake up, smell the coffee, use your own inate intelligence, accept reality and ...

JOIN THE STELLAR COMMUNITY! (it really will solve many of your planetary, social, and technological issues).

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Your governments have been in close contact for at least the past 64 years,

At least? Could you be more specific? Could it have been 100 years?

500?

2,000?

Longer?

Originally posted by MrDesolate
At least? Could you be more specific? Could it have been 100 years?

Since our Government here in the US is barely older than 100 years, and the last deal I am aware of was with Eisenhower.. I would say 'close to 64 years' is accurate. What contact the Greeks or Egyptians had is hardly relevant to OUR government

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Your governments have been in close contact for at least the past 64 years,

Could you please U2U me a star map of your home system? I like to keep a record of those, thanks

Originally posted by zorgon
Since our Government here in the US is barely older than 100 years, and the last deal I am aware of was with Eisenhower.. I would say 'close to 64 years' is accurate. What contact the Greeks or Egyptians had is hardly relevant to OUR government

Since the comment was

your governments

, I was inferring that we were talking about governments here on my home planet. Earth. Governments have been on Earth a good 5000 years. Whether Greek or Egyptian government is relevant to ours is irrelevant. The relevance is how long this particular alien thinks contact between their species and Earth governments has been going on.

Good luck with the star map. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.

Time isn't really much of a problem, for it doesnt exist, its just a program in our minds. This infinite Holographic Universe is energy waves, energy = matter and matter = energy, and its all perception in our minds.

Believe what you will, but that doesn't change the fact that the starlight we are seeing when we look up at the night sky, originated years ago (even centuries or more ago, depending on the particular star)....

Also, this post is AFTER yours, and no amount of perception is going to put it BEFORE yours. Therefore, I've shown you evidence that time exists.

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Did you not detect a few logical inconsistencies is this "Bootis anomaly" story?

First, the (double star) we call "Epsilon Bootis" is about 300 LY away.

What sort of alleged "communication" was this, from the late 1920s? The story is conveniently vague....a "probe"...presumably, automated (??) is "sent" about 15,000 years ago, to "monitor" for signs of technology. (Ya know, that is remarkably similar to the Arthur C. Clarke original short story "The Sentinel", which he later fleshed out with Stanley Kubrick to become "2001: A Space Odyssey").

So....this "probe" activates (presumably) in 1928-1929, because of that newfangled device called "radio" (even though radio had been around since before the turn of the 20th century?).

The "message" is sent. "Pre-programmed" into this "probe" that has orbited for 15,000 years? How does this work exactly? I don't mean, of course, explain all the technical details...just, from a logical and critical POV, how did this ancient alien technology manage to communicate? Shall we assume it orbited, listened in (automatically) and was sophisticated enough to decipher our languages, based on eavesdropping on the nascent radio signals that were broadcast for the preceding ~20 years? Including, most amazing of all, knowing our (various languages, and its origins and roots) astronomical name for that particular star ("Epsilon Bootis") .... astonishing to think that its name had been transmitted often enough on the early radio programs of theat era....???

OR....and this begs the question of FTL communication....does this "ancient probe" act as some sort of a transfer relay, directly in "real time" to its "home" planet 300 LYs away?

You see, I have to ask these things.....because, my screenplay will have too many obvious plot flaws, and won't shop around Hollywood very well, until I resolve a lot of them.....

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Interesting how supposed credible witnesses are poopooed and even Governmental officials, Astronauts and ex Military who claim to have also seen them in real life up close and personal, get the same response from people like yourself, so tell me short of you having your own experience, who or what would make you trust something which you have not experienced for yourself?

I believe you antar. My aunt saw a disc performing amazing manuevers right in her backyard in Peru in the mid 1960s. She said after a short time it just disappeared. She was so amazed she did not tell anyone but her husband who warned her to "be careful because people will think she's crazy." She did not "come out" with her sighting until years later when a local newspaper article wrote up an article about a "saucer sighting." This prompted her to admit what she had seen years ago to the rest of my mom's family.

My father also knew somone who saw an "alien/spaceman" type thing when he was 10 years old. Three of his childhood friends were with him. He's 56 years old present day and my father talked to him recently on the phone. He has been enormously successful in life, and stands by what he saw to this day. Says he remembers it still like it was yesterday. Stuck out like a sore thumb.

The preparation for contact hypothesis is the correct hypothesis. People gave up on that hypothesis in the 60-70s in favor of exploring other ideas. However, it is the best explanation for events. It's psychology 101 and humans still don't get it. We are nearing a "tipping point." No doubt about it.

Nice to see you still around ATS.

-SJ

Originally posted by Gazrok
Also, this post is AFTER yours, and no amount of perception is going to put it BEFORE yours. Therefore, I've shown you evidence that time exists.

It's funny, though. I read your post before his, so from my perspective, yours existed in my mind before his. I had to do some mental gymnastics to get myself to understand that to others it existed after. So I guess the way time "moves" depends on your perspective.

I think you missed the message, but I'll convey it on there behalf. They aren't talking to us. There's already a thread about it.

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He is full of horse manure. His website with his y-dna which he claims is proof, comes up with more matching hits in comparative y-dna databases than anything I'ver ever seen. If he's an alien, so are most of the men in Europe apparently. And the two men I have y-dna for are from a distant galaxy, since they have a teeny-tiny fraction of matching hits.

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What a wonderful response, and yes I am still here and miss our work we once did together in FOIA's. I see you occasionally but your intellect on certain subjects and mine are worlds apart, I do read in those forums but try to keep silent because anything I might add would only as your Uncle said, make me look crazy.

You know I will share with you something I have considered talking about for sometime and just never found the right way to say it, as you may have read about me I have had experiences since I was a baby and they were very regular with a break only during late puberty and resumed after I turned about 22 or so.

Now there were years when I did not see or experience their presence and yet about the time I would consign myself to just let it go and forget about it, BAM! something significant would happen. This was like clockwork and I did not put it together for some years.

Now this is what I am getting at, the experiences began to seriously wane around 911, and it was not until 04 that I remembered to just let it all go and forget about it, move on. When I was in that space once again I had an experience which if the film had not disappeared that day, would have been the best photographic evidence ever taken to my knowledge.

After 911 I was 'given' my first computer and it was a short time after I discovered places like The Eyes Behind, The Black vault and a few others, and so my new life began. I realized that the ufo forums were not for me as I have always been a skeptical knower if you understand where I am coming from, and really once I discovered ATS a whole new dimension opened up for me and for the knowledge that came with resonating with the practical and ever foreboding ATS skeptics.

I LOVED it! now this I could trust and could break through all the mandsy pansy foo foo and get to the real meat and bones of live people who were able to keep an open mind and yet not be side tracked by belief systems and hoaxes to discover the hard evidence, and yes there has been TONS of hard evidence presented here, which did not change their minds but did change their logic about the subject.

At first I locked horns with them until I one day discovered that I had actually learned more form the Skeptics than any believer or experiencer. Funny I always reserve judgement on others and yet keep an open mind myself but discovered that as I said am a Skeptic observer!

So it has been several years now and since I began "sharing" and "talking" the experiences have almost come to a complete halt!!!

I have been grilled by MIB, watched by &^%$# ^ and never told them anything, have shared my experiences with very very few in RL because even those closest to me, who love me just don't get it, and I learned early on to keep it to myself. I somehow always knew that I was not suppose to talk and share and that IF I did... the experiences would end.

And that was what I wanted to share with you, that I am not the only one, and there are or must be many more like me who choose not to talk because they know too that it will end for them.

You know I have continued to move for many years, never maintained contacts or friends other than in my heart, and for 20 years I did not age. Once I came out with it, the process began among other interesting facts about Skeptical Observers.

OP, yes we have found them.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Did you not detect a few logical inconsistencies is this "Bootis anomaly" story?

Well well well... seems like the real Weedwacker is back for a spell.. was beginning to worry

But see the problem with you is your reading skills... you and it seems the othet three that starred your post without thinking for themselves

If you look at the bottom of the post you quoted..

Originally posted by zorgon
legends of the Black Knight Satellite

Now I know things change on the web daily with all the youtube crap, but the stories surrounding the Black Knight Satellite were very interesting for many years... and many at ATS looked hard to find the material asit was hard to find material related to it. As a matter of fact it is highly likely that stories of the BKS triggered ACC's Rama

But you go on and live your Hollywood fantasy life... be blissfull

Time isn't really much of a problem, for it doesnt exist, its just a program in our minds. This infinite Holographic Universe is energy waves, energy = matter and matter = energy, and its all perception in our minds.

While I understand where you are coming from, time does indeed exist as our physical form is stuck in that 'program' Nothing we can do will remove our physical form from time. We may be able to manipulate it, change it (ie approaching light speed) but we are stuck.

Now the fact that we can understand that in the scheme of the Universe, time is not a problem is because a part of us exists outside of time... which is why we can sense that the current 'program' is messed up, a day currently is 16hr not 24hrs though our clocks, that are within the program show 24hrs. The part of us that exists outside of time can sense this error and we feel that time is going by too fast.

I could link, but it's easy to google the 16hr day... lots of studies on it and Schumann resonance... and I believe several threads as well

So until we can step outside of time, we are stuck. And I am pretty sure we cannot do it in our present form

Also, this post is AFTER yours, and no amount of perception is going to put it BEFORE yours. Therefore, I've shown you evidence that time exists.

True but a super mod could cast a magic spell and make it so