True Patriots Are Christians

reply to post by hotbakedtater


noun
1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
3. ( initial capital letter ) Military . a U.S. Army antiaircraft missile with a range of 37 mi. (60 km) and a 200-lb. (90 kg) warhead, launched from a tracked vehicle with radar and computer guidance and fire control.

If we claim to be a patriot we had best we prepared to fight for our country. Therefore I am not a patriot of the usa. With todays government their rediculous wars laws I am not a patriot. Religion especially american christianity I would place in a non patriot place. They are willing to chastise people for sexual preference military duties ect..

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Your post assumes several things. For example, it assumes that just because one calls oneself a Christian, one is a Christian. You offer Palin as an example. Well, is she a Christian other than claiming to be? Nearest I can tell she believes in witches. She worships wealth, like so many modern "Christians" (never finding conflict with Jesus's own distrust and disgust with high wealth) nearest I can tell she loves to incite hate. Nearest I can tell she is nastily sarcastic. She is also extremely judgmental. In other words, she may call herself a Christian but I reckon should she be judged at her death, she'll be judged a vile heretic who used His name as a weapon.

So other than the assumptive problem in the question, the entire premise is simply absurb and deserves rejection without debate or reading of the thread, just as it is silly to debate that only people with blue eyes can be good business people or people with large earlobes make the best bus drivers. The question is sheer nonsense.

I am a patriot of Azeroth, Orgrimmar to be precise..

I jest but an interesting question for a lengthy debate (which I will of course do with my religious and non-religious friends).

Interestingly I watched this the other day on RT:

American Crusaders: The rise of Christian nationalism in Post-9/11

rt.com...

Worth a watch and interesting to note the effects of something like 9/11...Religious convictions have been re-established, lines have been drawn in the sand (so to speak), new enemies and old have been brought to the limelight once again leaving people and nations divided.

reply to post by hotbakedtater

Ok, first off, I'm not from the U.S but I hope you'll find my opinion still valid.

I don't think it matters what (if any) religion you subscribe to in order to be patriotic of ones country - surely it shows said country in a better light when you don't have to be indoctrined into its state or widley practiced religion to feel patriotic about it.

On a side note, you are apparently less likely to believe in god the more inteligent you are for which you could use Sarah Palin as an example.

Religion and State should be seperate.

Our nation was started by colonists fleeing religious persecution, which is reflected in the founding fathers statements of separation of church and state. That said, while I disagree with organized religion, based on it being wielded as a power tool...I hold no ill will for its followers. Should not be part of politics though, completely separate agendas.

The church (any church) pushes for an agenda favoring the church and its adherents....whereas politics should push for an agenda favoring ALL people (or at least the greater good)...

Our founding fathers saw this very clearly, despite their own religious convictions...too bad the media often forgets it....but then again, you are always free to ignore the media's enforced perceptions...

Actually true patriots would had overtaken all the leaders in this country and tried them for treason. Any of their protectors (law enforcement bodyguards, military) that decided to stop the patriot from serving justice would be a fatality reality and treated with extreme prejudice.

Besides christians believe in Jesus and God because they know what will happen if they do not. Fear based

reply to post by Perseus Apex


YOu can't get Tracy F.......... off your mind.




no?
NO!

if sarah palin or george bush tried to make a career in the uk and said they were instructed by god they would be in a special care centre for nutjobs within about 2 days.
i personally think that if you are religious then you should not be in charge of a country as your thinking will not always be rational or logical, and you will have proven already that you are extremely naive.

Christians are foolish, not patriotic, the only patriotism they show is to their belief in the invisible. They more than happy to go to war with "GOD" on THEIR side.

Granted not all, Christianity or Religion DOES NOT have a monopoly on patriotism OR morality.

Why are the americans so very concerned about patriotism?
Is it patriotic to stick US flags all over your property?
Is it patriotic to discriminate other nationalities for not being american?
Is it patriotic to not agree with the Government?
Is it patriotic to call Iraqi peopl "Sand-ni***rs"?
Is it patriotic to declare a specific group of people better than others?
Is it patriotic to tell the world about Global warming and still continue wasting natural resources?

TRUE Patriots do not need to point out how patriotic they are.
TRUE Patriots are looked up to, and widely known for their patriotism

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


I think for most people it's just jumping on the bandwagon. People who hang flags and act like an arrogant so and so never have any great argument for doing so.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


Please stop using the word Christian when refering to the pro war Christians, those are Christian Zionists, or Evangelicals. Regular Christians disagree with them on most things. They are not really Christians since they twists the scriptures to justify their support for all the wars.

NOTE The OP has described the actions of all Christians based on the views of some. This idea is ludicrous to think that patriots are only Christians. This leaves me to believe that this thread was open with the sole intention to receive quick stars and flags. Now that you have succeeded, tell me, did you ask other Christians if they thought they were the only patriots before staring a debate with one person?

What do you hope to accomplish with this thread? From what I read no one is really debating the idea, just another Christian bashing thread. From what I read everyone is on the side that Patriotism doesn't stem from Christianity alone. I knew this would happen and you knew this would happen.

Not all Christians are patriots, but there are more Christians than any other belief. So statistically, it would be correct to assume that there are more Christian patriots than the latter. But not all true patriots are Christians.

I would have to review mamabethe's post about patriotism and Christianity before I can make a conclusion if she was right/wrong. But from what she wrote on this thread, she was not insinuating that all patriots are Christians.

She was stating it from a statistical point of view, which should be close to the correct amount. There are more Christians in the US so there are more Christian patriots than every other belief system individually.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


A true patriot of the USA would fight for everyone having their own opinion about things like religion.

If neo-cons did not learn that the mixing of Christianity and politics was toxic under the George W Bush's reign then they are never going to learn. George W Bush could not tell the truth. If Satan is the father of lies, as the Bible states, then George W Bush must have been his favorite son.

I am a Christian. Christ did not endorse any political stance other than to label them all corrupt. We are told in scripture that the early church, "held all things in common", having sold their earthly goods. One could say they were practicing communism, certainly not capitalism.

We are in the world but not of the world, for our focus is on the Kingdom of Christ. This Kingdom is where my patriotism is pledged. Till that Kingdom is established, we, as Christians, need to be concerned with being "the salt of the Earth". as an example to human kind. As such my stand is against evil which I see all about me especially in government.

reply to post by Unilluminist


That's a pretty riveting tale.

I'm quite sure God demands the rape and killing of the amalakites, death of the first born of every egyption in the Old Testament? The enslavement of foreigners is mentioned there, even by Jesus, lord save him.

The crusades were religiously encouraged because they had the arrogance to believe that their religion was the true religion and that they were spreading the greater good of God.

Religion causes otherwise moral people to say and do wicked things, to say God is on the "soldiers" side - Well what about the other soldiers getting shot at?

reply to post by brokedown


"It is a fact that most of the founding fathers of this nation were Christian."

Comments like this hint to the scurge of the present day United States -- a public school system that teaches only myth and a widespread, essentially state religion that praises denial of science. A history class after 7th grade would teach you many of the Founders were Diests (Rationalists who believed in reason and science, but that creation was ordered by a divine power and that science was a key part of that creation.)

P.S. -- You don't think we have a "state" religion? Try running for office as an athiest or worse yet as a muslim outside of Michigan. We have a smaller proportion of non-Christians in the congress than the Knesset has non Jews.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


Well if you literally interpret the Bible like the Christian Zionists Evangelicals then maybe you support that stuff. If you look at the actions of the Mainline Protestant Churches and Catholic Churches, its obvious that most of us have been opposing their pro war stances. There is a lot in the Bible that also teaches us not to support their wars.
Its not very smart to alienate people on your side just because of your own personal grievance with all of Christianity.

Also about the Crusades, I think it was mainly a money making scheme started by a few corrupt people misusing religion for their own ends, this was exploited and encouraged even more by the Knights Templar who were the international bankers of the time to plunge Europe into debt and under their control. They were later exposed as non Christians, they worship Baphomet so they are pagans and satanists that were just manipulating Christians for their own ends, it was real Christians that dealt with them and stopped that madness.

It is not always religion that is the problem either. Most atheists are secular humanists, this is pretty much a religion without a god and causes much of the support for socialism, communism, and it is generally a pro NWO ideology that supports 1 world government.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


True patriot....dont you mean true idiots?
One doesnt need a relgion to make them a patriot, only if you love your country.

If another group is saying only patriots are christians, then perhaps christians arent needed, i only see flaws in religion, this is nonsence.

I bet whoever stated that, was also racist and very intolerant of other religions (you cant say im wrong if you know im right) on top of that, i imagen they were american living in the south?

A trrue "patriot" is not defined by ones relgion (like many others seem to believe) but by thier wisdom and courage, to do whats right for thier country, and if reilgion matters to some people, then they are going to realize, that not everyone is going to agree with them, which could cause fights, which is all reilgion ever seems to do, fight with other reilgions

"WE ARE WROSHIPPING THE SAME GOD BUT YOURS IS A DIFFERNT NAME, I KILL YOU"

That is the nonsence littering the earth today, should we really have tolerance to the intolerant?

What a stupid statement!

Religion has nothing to do with being a patriot. By saying something laughable as this, you're pretty much saying all non-Christians aren't real citizens.

It's comments like that that making Christians looks ridiculous...