Assange: 'Will release poison pill of damaging secrets if killed or arrested"

reply to post by infinite


Star for you.

I'm curious though, when you mention the UK government, you say 'we'...are you a member of the UK government?

Considering the implications to the UK government, in terms of both 'the special relationship' (hmmm) and those UK officials and politicians named in the cables (albeit from the previous government, in respect of politicians), do you really believe the UK government wouldn't hand Assange over to the US,,,if they said 'pretty please'?

The UK cannot or will not even block the extradition of poor Gary McKinnon to the US to face 60+ years behind bars in some hell hole out there, for having a peek at a few Nasa computers FCS!
You think they are going to get high and mighty with the US over Assange?

Not a chance. Not when the UK is equally as implicated in highly illegal activities concerning the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and a multitude of connected areas.

So..are you in the UK government or did you just mean 'we' as in the British 'we'?

So Infinite, where is the story of the fixing of the Chilcott committee in this country.
Being 'well protected' by the government no doubt. Seems certainly censored if true and the facts presented speak for themselves.
I am sure David Kelly expected to be safe as well.
I wouldn't trust my government or any politician here I am afraid. They have been exposed once too often as low life to put it plainly.
Where is the story and why are we not hearing it?. Is it 'd' noticed?
That is the real issue and you have not addressed that.

reply to post by Emilymary


After a very quick google, here are a couple of links

www.bbc.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...

and Cabelgate has been added to the "Iraq inquiry" Wiki page
en.wikipedia.org...

In a diplomatic cable from the US embassy in London, released as part of Cablegate, Jon Day, director general for security policy at the British Ministry of Defence is cited having promised the US to have "put measures in place to protect your interests" regarding the inquiry. This has been interpreted as an indication that the inquiry is restricted "to minimize embarrassment for the United States.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by TedHodgson

 

A terrorist is someone who executes an act which causes terror to a society.

Julie Arseminge has caused internal squablings amongst countries, potentially put lives at danger, but at no point commited an act of terrorism.

He doesn't deserve to die, but he does deserve a slap for blowing any secret missions to prevent terrorism, ie the Pakistan stuff.

I'm reckoning the insurance files is somthing that could cause war, and he knows that, and thats why he hasn't released them, however, if he dies, he has nothing to lose.

edit on 5/12/10 by woogleuk because: (no reason given)

So you are saying that since wikileaks has told us that the US ally Pakistan is supporting Taliban Julian Assange, the figurehead of WL, should be slapped.....?!?

That makes no sense.....

Originally posted by spikey
The UK cannot or will not even block the extradition of poor Gary McKinnon to the US to face 60+ years behind bars in some hell hole out there, for having a peek at a few Nasa computers FCS!

Hate to burst your bubble, the extradition is halted - first act of the new government. The Home Office has ordered new health reviews, with a different doctors (which are not picked by the US embassy) and the wikileaks cable shows that the Prime Minister does not want him extradited.

The Home Office has also refused to name a date, for when the health review will end, thus making the extradition valid. As for the extradition, if you've being paying attention - a review has been commission by the government into ways to alter, rewrite or repeal the Act.

In fact, you can even take part in the review - our opinions are wanted on the matter.

If you stopped for five minutes - this goes to for everyone on ATS - and remember not everything is a conspiracy, reading government material is not a taboo. You might learn something.

Finally, it's pretty childish to assume I work for the government

reply to post by Emilymary


It was all over Skynews and BBC, when the story broke that Gordon Brown administration watered down the inquiry. Front page story across the tabloids too. BBC Radio 4 ran a special on it.

Do the research yourself, instead of asking to be spoon feed all the time.

This guy Assange should release what he has. If someone wants to kill him its going to happen anyway. At least if he lets everything out and it is some unbelievable stuff, Like how we are all just being manipulated and abused. Then maybe he has a chance to stay alive. Once the info is out and he commits suicide as everyother whistleblower has "we the sheeple" will know who did it. Look what the dc madam got for not squelling like a pig.

reply to post by Dr Cosma

No it is not illogical, what is illogical is to believe everything they tell you.

It is illogical. If you are talking about believing WL, It's not a question of belief, this is hard evidence of corruption and illegality, there is NO ambiguity.

If you are talking about the media, i agree - i wouldn't believe them about the time of day..in fact i haven't read a newspaper for at least 20 years, they're only fit in my eyes to help light my wood burner.

So far, where are the cables that will shock everyone?

You're kidding...did you miss the release of information where the US secretary of State ordered her diplomats and agents to spy on and steal communications passwords and credit card information from UN delegates and even the President's personal details?!

That not illegal enough for you?

OK..how about proof of Bush and Blair manufacturing intelligence and lying to their respective people and governments regarding the reasons for invading Iraq (and probably Afghanistan)..and invasion that has directly led to the deaths, torture and serious injuries of hundreds of thousands, possibly up to 1.5 million men, women and children, mostly civilians?

Is that shocking or illegal enough for you? And do bear in mind, this is simply the opening salvo..

Until I see a cable about 911 and all the purpetrators involved and about the whole Palestinian affair, genocide...

Watch this space...i have a feeling you'll see what you want to see, and much more besides.

...most of my friends dont have the internet. Not because they dont have money, most of them are married and just dont have the time, kids and all.

I have a family, and not much disposable money - yet i have the internet. The internet is a valuable commercial resource and educational tool...i would have thought that would be reason enough to have a connection, if nothing else. This is also the reason, short of an all out cyber attack on critical or highly sensitive systems or financial markets, the so called 'Internet kill switch' would never be used. Trillions of $/£/Euro etc would be wiped out..and we all know how important money is to the creeps barking at us all, don't we.

If the media, the same media who decieves you everyday, all day, if them who you detest so much are pushing the Wikileak thing, then you can rest assure that its all a circus.

The vast majority is NOT going to reported in the media, only the 'lower value' (read: less damaging to the guilty) information will be allowed to be reported.

Think about this..The media is well aware that virtually the entire planet is aware of the cable release from WL right? So..don't you think they are also aware that everyone will know what a sham the media is if they report *nothing*?! To maintain credibility and believability, even a pathological liar has to occasionally tell the truth, if only to support his or her lies!
Plus, let's not forget, 'the media' is a commercial enterprise and requires a profit, or else they are in support of or directed by the state.

This is all my opinion.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I love that you and i can freely express our genuine opinions, and i would take up arms to defend that right.

Well Infinite

Having been following the Wikileaks on Sky and other media. Having followed the newspapers over the past week this news has passed me by.
Yes everyone knew the Chillcot Report was a scam but there was no actual evidence to prove it. Just supposition and rumour.
We now have a name and definite confirmation it wasa fix.
Since the Wikileaks started coming out in the past week I have heard a lot of stories but not this one.
Perhaps I just haven't followed the small print however it should have been headlines with questions in the house.
Strange to me.
I have since checked out with a few other very aware people.
None have seen it over the past week or so since the leaks started either. If it has been mentioned it must be brief.

reply to post by spikey


Sorry but no, it is not shocking for me.
I already suspected things like that would be going on.
I think I did not explain myself properly, its not the stuff Wikileaks has brought out, its who are Wikileaks and who are the whistleblowers and what is the main agenda really.
Not everyone has the internet. My point was that no one I know is shocked about anything.
So yes, in the US, there might be a problem with those cables, but not in Spain.
So really its not a global thing is it?
It is more of an agenda to me.
Everything you say seems plausible dont get me wrong and I am all for truth.
I also am overly suspicious of anyone, its my nature.
Like I said thats what I think anyway, my opinion.
If anything comes up that changes my mind, i'll eat my words, you will be the first to know.

reply to post by infinite


Well thank you for the information on the extradition of GM, i didn't know they are tying it up in red tape.

We'll see how it ultimately pans out, although i still feel it's on the cards despite the rhetoric...my opinion is that they just have bigger fish to fry at present.

However, i do take offense at you calling me childish. Believe me, i am *far* from being a child in any respect, and frankly, *YOU* were the one continually saying 'we' or 'we're' when referring to the UK government..it's completely reasonable to ask if you are a part of the government, since you gave that indication.

And no, being part of a government does *not* equate to a conspiracy..so i also resent the insinuation that i am a dribbling moron without a rational mind or unable to form a reasonable and critical point of view. You are apparently the one who seems to mentally link being in government with some kind of automatic conspiracy association, not me.

I asked a perfectly reasonable question based on your own words..to which incidentally, you have not yet supplied a definitive answer to, despite your slur.

reply to post by TedHodgson


If his real motivation is to expose the US government and protect "we the people" then what's the point of with holding more information?

I've never like this wikileaks guy...and he just keeps giving me more reasons not to.

reply to post by Emilymary


It was front page of The Times and Guardian. Independent ran it as the main story, alongside the whole sage in general. I've been covering this, with others, none stop on twitter - it was covered ruthlessly by the tabloids.

Radio 4 was discussing wikileaks all last week. Daily Politics too, Al Jazeera, et al.

And, sadly to say, we knew the inquiry was a scam from the start. Especially when the United States did not have to send witnesses. Again, research yourself BEFORE asking.

Clearly someone was not paying attention.

reply to post by spikey


Well, I stand by my remarks. If I worked for the government, would I be on ATS? It was you who asked the silly questions, not me. It is too difficult to understand the would "we" does not equal to someone working to or with the government - ever heard "we" are we in this country?

Last time I checked, we lived in a representative democracy - can I use the word "we" to describe us all or would you prefer me to define the concept of "we" each time?

In my humble opinion........

If he's under threat, then he shouldn't be suprised.... your take'n on a government which has been around alot longer than him and delt with alot worse than him..... a few memo's aren't going to save anybody....

Didn't help JFK did it?....... " For we are opposed, around the world, by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..." etc etc

but the main point here is what he's said he'll do....... i thought wikileaks, i maybe wrong, was the whistle blower which sought to open up governments, the ear which let government employees vent wrong doings that they have witnessed and to expose governments for keeping these " secrets "......

So is it not hypocritical to then keep some information back for yourself?.......are you then not playing the same game you set the website up for in the first place?.......... think what ever information he thinks he has will do him more good in the open.......

but even then...... accidents do happen.........

reply to post by infinite


In fairness to Emilymary, raising the subject on this site, asking questions and seeking answers from the membership to those questions *IS* actually a form of research.

So, directing her to do her research is fairly redundant and more than a little patronising when viewed in context.

Are you generally confrontational or is today a special day for you?

Well I think he should release the insurance on the world and just do it this time don't give heads up or warning just drop the ball on it all!!! He should already know he isn't gonna make it out alive one way or another they are going to permanently silence him, but that is a cost all of us that play the "Truth Game" know we will eventually have to pay sooner or later. I personally would rather make my journey with a clear conscience and knowing that I helped put the Truth in peoples hands. What you choose to do with it is completely your choice. Me I'll help expose the cockroaches and Stomp as many of them as I can out of existence before they get me.

Assange is a very clever man. Even if it doesn't seem so from our perspective... He definitely has something up his sleeve that can hurt if not alter our history.

What if we don't get to see it??
That would be a real shame..

If it endangers covert operatives, and/or impairs our ability to gather meaningful intelligence that would save lives, etc., then I hope I never get to see it.

Releasing embarrassing info is one thing, and if governments are skirting the rules, engaging in unseemly behavior (as they all do), etc., then sure, bring it to light...

But I cannot agree with, or condone behavior that would endanger lives, so I really hope THAT is not what is in his insurance file. Unfortunately, to be valuable enough, that's probably exactly what it is.

They are going after this guy more for what he COULD know and release, vs. what he actually HAS released, I'd wager.....and I can't say I wouldn't do the same in their shoes. That said though, I hope he is able to continue in releasing information that reveals what is going on, as long as it doesn't endanger lives.

Originally posted by Emilymary
Since the Wikileaks started coming out in the past week I have heard a lot of stories but not this one.
Perhaps I just haven't followed the small print however it should have been headlines with questions in the house.
Strange to me.
I have since checked out with a few other very aware people.
None have seen it over the past week or so since the leaks started either. If it has been mentioned it must be brief.

Are you having a laugh?? It was ALL OVER THE MAINSTREAM NEWS. It was on Radio 4 when I woke up, it was on the front pages of the papers and they were talking about it on the evening news! It was the main story of the day!.. Wakey wakey!

WikiLeaks cable reveals secret pledge to protect US at Iraq inquiry

Iraq inquiry 'protected Washington'

UK agreed to shield U.S. interests in Iraq probe: WiKiLeaks

UK 'Promised To Protect US In Iraq Inquiry'

etc, etc, etc...