Senator Joe Lieberman Introduces SHIELD Act To Make Classified Information Releases Illegal

Originally posted by daddio


Once again, the so-called "laws" passed by the U.S. CONgress apply ONLY to U.S. citizens and NOT to Americans. That is what the 14th amendment is all about, it TRIES to make everyone in America into a "U.S. citizen", but it is a huge fail. But I do love it when people mistakenly claim to be U.S. citizens, will the ignorance never end?

I made a thread to point out the distinction between the U.S. and the U.S.A. So few people know the difference.

A valid point that most ignore. Most "US citizens" are actually citizens of their states. The federal government was originally only given "control" over citizens actually living in the District of Colombia since it was specifically set aside as a federal enclave. This part of our history has been effectively ignored and repressed.

The solution to this problem would be the appearance on the scene of an organization that goes one better than the anti-war, alternative media and produces 'smoking gun', officially documented evidence of government lies and deception. Such evidence would, after all, come from the horse's mouth, a veritable admission of guilt from the wrong-doers themselves rather than accusations from third-party alternative news web sites. Re-read Anna Salter's description of the pedophile she was interviewing above to get a real picture of the pathology at work here. The deception, of course, lies not in the release of official documents, but in the use of those documents, which in themselves do not constitute high crimes, as a cover to promote the same big government lies. I submit that, based on the clear evidence, Wiki-leaks is just such an organization and is designed to fulfill just such a role: the dissemination of Plausible Lies.

I just read this article on SOTT net www.sott.net...

This world is pretty messed up right now. It is hardly possible to see the trees because of the forest.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Why do people feel they have a right to know about intelligwence operations and sources?

see? Elmer Fudd.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

* tiptoes away snickering* ....

I'm guessing this is your not so clever way to avoid answering a valid question. What gives people the right to think they are entitled access to classiied information? If you want access, then get a job in a related field that brings you into contact with this information.

Absent that, particiapte in the political process to hold our elected leaders responsble if you dont like the manner they do their job. The argument some people make you would think they have a right to walk into a bank and demand financial records of someone just because they feel their entitled to know.

Just like the above example, the release of the information is illegal, in addition to being in possesion and distributing it. This is not a hard concept to understand.

You guys want the release of this information to hold people accountible, while at the very same time ignoring the fact the info was illegally aquired and released.

So its ok for someone to steal and release calssified information - breaking the law

But its not illegal to receive the information and distribute it.

Yeah.. thats a logical argument... /end sarcasm

That would work in a world where the government was not corrupt. In this case such an idea has become fantasy. You don't even get to choose what politics the country has because it is decided in advance by the shadow government...the one that JFK referred to and challenged, and which , as a result, got him assassinated.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
Senator Joe Lieberman... The same Israeli / Jew / Zionist AS*HOLE who wants Americas BIGGEST TRAITOR Pollard released. I guess Israel comes FIST SECOND AND THIRD with him..

Yes, and how about that for hypocrisy. Let's crucify Julian Assange and let's release the Israeli spy.
second

Well, It would seem that anything " classified" is probably illegal anyway.
I suppose if I were conducting dishonest things,. I'd not want anyone to know either

Originally posted by win 52

The solution to this problem would be the appearance on the scene of an organization that goes one better than the anti-war, alternative media and produces 'smoking gun', officially documented evidence of government lies and deception. Such evidence would, after all, come from the horse's mouth, a veritable admission of guilt from the wrong-doers themselves rather than accusations from third-party alternative news web sites. Re-read Anna Salter's description of the pedophile she was interviewing above to get a real picture of the pathology at work here. The deception, of course, lies not in the release of official documents, but in the use of those documents, which in themselves do not constitute high crimes, as a cover to promote the same big government lies. I submit that, based on the clear evidence, Wiki-leaks is just such an organization and is designed to fulfill just such a role: the dissemination of Plausible Lies.

I just read this article on SOTT net www.sott.net...

This world is pretty messed up right now. It is hardly possible to see the trees because of the forest.

I don't believe these accusations. People don't understand his strategy. They want evidence of serious crime to be leaked (forgetting that Assange can only publish information which whistleblowers send to him). They don't understand that he is trying to undermine their ability to sustain their secrecy..

reply to post by RUSSO



LMAO! They can't even enforce the laws they have now, and there are plenty of them.

They can nail people from so many different angles and so many laws why do they need more laws?

Well, because they want to justify their existence and say they are really doing something.

Joe LIARberman epitomizes every single thing that needs to be changed about our gov.

He is a consumate special-interest-serving thug and bully, with nazi-like fascist views, and a complete indifference to his constituents whom he is supposed to represent.

Any time there is any bill taking away rights, condoning illegal gov activity, gov secrecy, you will ALWAYS see his name at the top of the list, signing away. lol.

He is the cream of the crop for corruption and criminality. A treasonous traitor and thug.

Liberman is such an idiot.
It's already illegal to release classified documents. You have to have a security clearance to gain access to said documents, and in part of that agreement you agree to NOT release documentation and plethora of other agreements. You also agree to be held liable and subject to federal prosecution if you are caught leaking them.

Julian Assange didn't really do anything wrong here..he's an opportunisitic journalist. Private Manning (who actually breached the system and leaked them TO Julian...as well as the Iraqi and Afghan war diaries) who is guilty here. And he's locked up awaiting prosecution. Manning will do his time.

As mentioned before anyway - even if this does pass, since when did America become the world police?
I'm not worried about it.

Tell me how this works: Joe Lieberman introduces a bill that will make illegal the release of information regarding classified illegal activity…

How about your 'undercover neighborhood watchers'? They release information about citizens to the force, isn't this basically the same concept? Looks like everyone on watch duty is now illegal, even cops!

Just another large chapter in The End of Objective Journalism.

reply to post by wcitizen

They don't understand that he is trying to undermine their ability to sustain their secrecy.

That may be fine, but understand that they are in public positions entrusted by the society they represent. Thus it is their obligation to be transparent to the society they claim to represent.

Your thinking may work in a dictatorship, but should not be considered when speaking on behalf of others, the way governments represent themselves to be doing.

This is what I hate about our country right now:

1> There are those that believe the government is in the right because they protect us and are our so called "representatives." That their appointments, discussions, and actions should be kept secret, under lock and key.

2> Those that believe the government should be transparent, truthful, and keep nothing from us. The government is not to be trusted without supervision, almost like a child in a candy shop.

By all means, each has their point and a valuable argument to make. And of course, there's also those in the middle that don't care.

However all this just causes arguments. If we really want something done, everyone has to work together, or enough of us to make change. And you think the law makers really listen to us? We say we're a Representative Democracy, but I sure see a lot of hands dipping into things they shouldn't be in (Social Security, I'm talking about you).
And I would love to think the lawmakers would listen to us, but that just isn't how it's working. We've been brought up in a Corporate Elective, or a money based elective system. We don't choose our president's, the parties do. And the parties choose the lackey with the best face on him and listens and lies the best.
After the parties choose from all those canidates, sure you can choose someone else, but being Democrat or Republican you're gonna vote for your canidate, who's been carefully chosen by a group of money grubbing company owners.
Without your 2 million dollars, you can't get a chance to be elected. I side by no party. And no, I'm not a liberal. And no, I'm not a conservative either. Labeling yourself is just going to split us even further. If we're going to be the UNITED STATES, we better stay UNITED.
So how can 19% of the population represent the rest when they know nothing about them?

First, we have to work together. You can't have a revolution by yourself.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by RUSSO

 

Im sorry but who is hunting Julian Assange and for what reason? Last I checked the warrant was from Sweden for Rape / Molestation complaints.

Why do people feel they have a right to know about intelligwence operations and sources?

Julian Assange is releasing information that is both embarrassing and detrimental to US colonialism.

Letting the American people know that Pakistani army, largely funded by the American taxpayer, is helping terrorists in Afghanistan kill American soldiers is not a threat to national security, its a threat to public opinion.

Letting the American people know that American helicopters are being shot down by Afghanistani forces is not a threat to national security. Its an eye opening reality to a bull# war.

Letting the American people know that we killed 150 innocent Afghan's huddled into small building trying to avoid a fire fight is not a threat to national security, its a threat to public opinion.

The information he is trying to release right now is not a threat to public opinion. Its a threat to the stability of the known world.

Some serious corruption and political scandals are going on right now and Assange is trying to release them.

This talk about rape is nonsense, and this talk about national security is bull#.

Originally posted by win 52
I am pretty disgusted with human nature in general. How can this be, as many people I talk to daily have similar values as I do. Where does this push for dominance come from? The only thing I can come up with is that within corporations the main theme is to dominate the competition and we do have a corporate state running the world, it seems. The corporation will never die. Only the people in charge, who can be replaced easily.

In a capitalist society and to a lesser extent in a socialist society, the corporation behaves as a king. Its like the medusa with many heads, you cut one of and it is immediately replaced. Its all about power, money and influence and that is why I have come to hate capitalism...any form of it.

Free will is an illusion for those in power to dominate the less fortunate. Big business and extremely wealthy individuals are the only ones that can afford to pay for a candidate's campaign process so when he/she gets elected he/she usurps the peoples' will in favor of those that SPONSORED the election in the first place.

Originally posted by win 52
To add: I have always thought the people who promote wars should be at the front of the action. I mean in the trenches with the men and women they send, leading them. We can easily find replacements for them in their cushy cake eating jobs.

They think they are immune from fighting, like the Lords used to do.... sit on a hill and watch the slaughter. The Kings of old fought next to their supporters because they fought for a good cause. The domineering classes of leaders sat on the hills, because they didn't want to get hurt.

edit on 4-12-2010 by win 52 because: (no reason given)

Very good points! It is my opinion that absolutely NO ONE should be elected into a federal position unless they FIRST have served in the military either voluntary or through the draft! This would ensure that government is run by people who know what it means to fight and serve your country and thus stop all these SUPERFICIAL EXCUSES to go to war on a moment's notice.

The old kings of europe may have been just as ruthless as today's "leaders" are but at least they fought alongside their troops on the battleground.

Originally posted by win 52
reply to post by wcitizen

 

They don't understand that he is trying to undermine their ability to sustain their secrecy.

That may be fine, but understand that they are in public positions entrusted by the society they represent. Thus it is their obligation to be transparent to the society they claim to represent.

Your thinking may work in a dictatorship, but should not be considered when speaking on behalf of others, the way governments represent themselves to be doing.

Uh??? I honestly don't get what you mean...I am totally against secrecy in government. George Bush created an illegal war because of secrecy...I honestly don't get your drift here.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by daddio


Once again, the so-called "laws" passed by the U.S. CONgress apply ONLY to U.S. citizens and NOT to Americans. That is what the 14th amendment is all about, it TRIES to make everyone in America into a "U.S. citizen", but it is a huge fail. But I do love it when people mistakenly claim to be U.S. citizens, will the ignorance never end?

I made a thread to point out the distinction between the U.S. and the U.S.A. So few people know the difference.

A valid point that most ignore. Most "US citizens" are actually citizens of their states. The federal government was originally only given "control" over citizens actually living in the District of Colombia since it was specifically set aside as a federal enclave. This part of our history has been effectively ignored and repressed.

The main problem as I see it, is that the federal government has been corporatised and as a result ALL THE STATES have also been corporatised as a direct result of this.

I disagree with what your trying to imply in this statement: "the federal government was originally only given control over citizens ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA since it was set aside as a federal enclave". I belive the term *federal government* directly/indirectly implies it DOES HAVE JURISDICTION over all member states, regardless what the constitution says.

When we say federal government it implies the highest form of government for any given nation! Attributes such as corrupt/uncorrupt, has a corporate indentity or natural identity, capitalist/sociallist/communist economic system, a republic or democracy, etc is of secondary importance.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

You are incorrect. The various states are sovereign entities. Originally the federal government was only to handle foreign affairs and interstate commerce. All functions not SPECIFICALLY GIVEN to the federal government in the constitution were RESERVED UNTO THE STATES and THE PEOPLE. This is why our current federal government is unconstitutional.
I apologize in advance for this long excerpt. But it seems that people have forgotten what the actual functions of the federal government are. Thus I feel it warranted. Thank you.

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

From the Bill of Rights

Article XI

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article XII

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Now the 14th amendment is seen to change that, but the 14th amendment was only supposed to protect the newly released slaves. Instead, we have the current travesty.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The ratification of the 13th Amendment was a major victory for the North, and it was hoped that with the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment, the effects of slavery in the United States would quickly diminish. The original plan to readmit states after acceptance of the 13th was supported by President Andrew Johnson, but the Radical Republicans, as they became known, wanted more than just a return to normalcy. They wanted to keep the power they had attained during the war years. The South did not make it easy for Johnson, however, and the so-called Black Codes started to be passed in Southern states. Congressional inquiries into the Black Codes found them to be a new way of controlling ex-slaves, fraught with violence and cruelty.

The ensuing Reconstruction Acts placed the former CSA states under military rule, and prohibited their congressmen's readmittance to Congress until after several steps had been taken, including the approval of the 14th Amendment. The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868 (757 days).

The original purpose of the 14th amendment has been so perverted as to render it unrecognizable. This is one amendment that, in my opinion, needs to be repealed.

Again I apologize for the excessive quoting, but I felt this needed to be pointed out so that people could understand for themselves why we are were we are. Thank you for your forbearance.

Americans should all call for Senator Joe Lieberman's assassination. If he wants to call for assassination on America's free speech & on Julian Assange then we have the right to call for his assassination too. The dog calls himself an American too. The United States would do better without this blight that plagues us.

Welcome to USA - the new USSR under Lieberman!

Even as E.Germany, Russia, and China in a hurry now to remove the stain of oppresive communism within their govts.