Senator Joe Lieberman Introduces SHIELD Act To Make Classified Information Releases Illegal

Wait...wasn't it already illegal?

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Democracy?

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Ask to Senator Joe Lieberman.

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Originally posted by Xcathdra

What gives people the right to think they are entitled access to classiied information? If you want access, then get a job in a related field that brings you into contact with this information.

Absent that, particiapte in the political process to hold our elected leaders responsble if you dont like the manner they do their job. The argument some people make you would think they have a right to walk into a bank and demand financial records of someone just because they feel their entitled to know.

Just like the above example, the release of the information is illegal, in addition to being in possesion and distributing it. This is not a hard concept to understand.

You guys want the release of this information to hold people accountible, while at the very same time ignoring the fact the info was illegally aquired and released.

So its ok for someone to steal and release calssified information - breaking the law

But its not illegal to receive the information and distribute it.

Yeah.. thats a logical argument... /end sarcasm

Oh boy. They're playing people like you like a fiddle. You can ask questions like this all day and they might seem like reasonable questions except that we're not dealing with decent people of good will. If you give them a shield to hide behind, they WILL hide all their dirt behind it.

edit on 3-12-2010 by spicypickle because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by peter_kandra
Let me ask a question to everyone who feels all this information should be released. What, if anything, do you think should remain classified and l'd like top hear your reasoning too (other than the canned "because it's our tax dollars and we have a right to know" answer?

Here is my position... nothing should remain classified, and it is my opinion the establishment maintains the position that everything should remain classified, while in the end we meet in the middle with a compromise.

It is the middle ground we seem to have lost to the "war on terror" and as a society we have lost our balance and have a society that leans more towards hiding everything behind a classified label.

So I see these leaks as a means to readdress that balance and get us back into that middle ground.

Caveat: Just going to take an 18yo for his first legal pint so might not be able to come back with a comprehensible response later on so while I can I will wish everyone an enjoyable day/night/morning/afternoon etc

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo
reply to post by backinblack

 

Interpol also pursues copyright infringements, patent infringements, trademark infringements, and remote espionage cases ( cyber terrorism) on an International scale.

The U.S. has made it abundantly clear that the information Asange has in his possession is the property of the United States.

This proves my point:

Interpol - WikiLeaks founder faces fresh arrest warrant


'nuff said....

edit on 3-12-2010 by Heyyo_yoyo because: (no reason given)

nuff said???
Your link just proves my point..Interpol will arrest him for committing a crime while "IN" Sweden..
Thats what your link is about...
nuff said

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by RUSSO

 

Why do people feel they have a right to know about intelligwence operations and sources?

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Now i am in wonderment. What would you be doing as an active member on a website called Above Top Secret if you didnt have any intersert in scant and classified information.

The reason people have a right to know is because issues of national security now eefect international security.
National intersests are out weighed by the global community we find ourselves increasingly part of.
Do you not feel the world does not have the right to know the history of 2 wars deemed illegal under international law.
Do you feel the world does not have the right to know about the working of the banking system after they caused a worldwide depersion.
Governments are elected and in the western world should protect our freedom of speach and press. Evidenlty this is not the case. The person putting his life on the line is Assange and he is doing it to protect your freedom of speach. Something our armed forces should be used for if they were not so busy distablizing the middle east and securing oil...

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All this does is make it illegal to publish the names of sources of Human Intelligence and there is nothing wrong with that. Wikileaks can easily get around it if they wanted to.

Their legislation, the SHIELD Act, would give the Administration increased flexibility to go after Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange by making it illegal to publish the names of human intelligence informants (HUMINT) to the United States military and intelligence community.

The SHIELD Act (Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination) amends Title 18 Section 798, a section of law more commonly referred to as the Espionage Act, to extend the legal protections that already exist for communications intelligence and cryptography to HUMINT.

The Guardian newspaper continues to publish cables.

Great. More laws to protect these scumb@gs. They have much to hide as they must protect their secret goon squad's super weapons so no others can learn how they so effectively crush the minds and souls of so many.

They also need to hide their own perverted and criminal activities and for this reason, the "shield" is their shield.

P.S. I'm tired of all the sheeple baahh bahh-ing about why should we be allowed to know top secret information. The scum that rule our planet have been hiding all their deeds and garbage behind "top secret" forever. I don't give a cr@p about top secret or protecting their military or intelligence secrets. They definately have not earned the right or the trust of the people, WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO GOVERN ON OUR BEHALF, and don't deserve to keep ANY secrets.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by RUSSO

 

Im sorry but who is hunting Julian Assange and for what reason? Last I checked the warrant was from Sweden for Rape / Molestation complaints.

Why do people feel they have a right to know about intelligwence operations and sources?

The problem is there is a mountain of evidence, backed by whistleblowers worldwide, that points to TPTB being up to mass killings, control on every level and apparent "various missmanagements" of the food supply. Throw in the Georgia Guidestones and we are looking at DUCK SEASON! Not wabbit season. This thing is quacking to me. Assange is picking a scab that needs healing.

Occum's Razor suggests strongly that liars and thieves run the world. It sure would appear to me. Should we ignore their devilish ways or dig in and root out the bad players once and for all? Their 'top secret' documents, at this point in history, appear intended for the doom of all of mankind so a few may prosper and enjoy living on this earth without the masses.The evidence is overwhelming that the fix is in for mankind.

Our best bet IS to love our fellow man and decide to stop the killing of innocent people, or we all suffer the consequences. All religions have that part right.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

Originally posted by peter_kandra
Let me ask a question to everyone who feels all this information should be released. What, if anything, do you think should remain classified and l'd like top hear your reasoning too (other than the canned "because it's our tax dollars and we have a right to know" answer?

Here is my position... nothing should remain classified, and it is my opinion the establishment maintains the position that everything should remain classified, while in the end we meet in the middle with a compromise.

It is the middle ground we seem to have lost to the "war on terror" and as a society we have lost our balance and have a society that leans more towards hiding everything behind a classified label.

So I see these leaks as a means to readdress that balance and get us back into that middle ground.

Caveat: Just going to take an 18yo for his first legal pint

so might not be able to come back with a comprehensible response later on

so while I can I will wish everyone an enjoyable day/night/morning/afternoon etc

We meet in the middle with a compromise. That is perfectly reasonable. Xcathdra also made a very valid point...that this information was obtained illegally...period, that's it. It seems like people are saying nothing should be hidden, even information that can compromise national security and the lives or military people or undercover operatives. Hell, let's just give out the launch codes to our nuclear weapons along with the location of every military asset on the planet. I would find it extremely ironic if the Wikileaks insurance thing everyone downloaded turns out to have kiddie porn in it and everyone in possesion of it gets arrested or if it contained a varient of the Stuxnet worm and infected millions of computers.

Back on topic though. If you've ever negotiated anything, whether it be a business deal or even a car purchase, your knowledge of the other side gives you a potential advantage. Conversations between our diplomats in foreign countries, or their candid assements of other governments and leaders are private. Think about some of the things you may have shared in confidence or said in private. How would you feel if those conversations were made public. We're never going to know all our governments secrets (nor those of any other government) and not everything can be kept secret. Reality is somewhere in the middle.

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Of course there needs to be secrets in the case of national security but it's now being pushed to the extreme..
Everything from Obama's files to Fed transaction..All secrets..Way too many...
I could honestly say they probably hide more than they tell us!!!

That is not how it's meant to be...

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by peter_kandra

 

Of course there needs to be secrets in the case of national security but it's now being pushed to the extreme..
Everything from Obama's files to Fed transaction..All secrets..Way too many...
I could honestly say they probably hide more than they tell us!!!

That is not how it's meant to be...

I hear you. Unfortunately it's up to the officials WE elect to change that. I have a nagging suspicion that if we voted in a completely new set of elected leaders each election, they'd evetually get the hint and start listening to their constituents. I will agree with everyone that using the "national security" card has become all too common but I really don't have a solution that would provide enough security while maintaining the rights of the people. I'm hoping I'm only here in the US for another 8 or 10 years until my kids are old enough to be on their own and then it's off to the Caribbean with my wife to open up a bar

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No we dont live in a Democracy. We live in a Representative Republic, which means the people vote for a person to act as their representatives in the Congress and the White House. These elected officals then represent the US in terms of world affairs.

back to the origional question, why do people feel they have a right to classified information. What exactly does the release of this information do to people who think they are entitled to it?

As a side note why are people so outraged about the actions of the US, while at the very same moment ignoring all other similar issues throughout the world? This is why the argument appears one sided by people supporting Assange. There are 192 +/- countries on this planet, not just the US.

Land of the FREE???

Seems not anymore, like the UK the USA should be renamed the United States Of Secrets, if you question authority you are condemmed by those in power.

Not our fault they have been caught with thier pants down.

Kinda funny really seeing all those senators calling for the assasination of an individual. Just shows those in the US are capable of doing this. Makes one wonder with regards to JFK !

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Playing me like a fiddle... Uhm no.

Giving the Government a shield to hide their dirt, not neccisarily. While I agree there is info buried that supports the argument the government comitted crimes, however the documents released are not ALL criminal acts, and have nothing at all to do with Assanges stated reason for doing what he does, hich is to stop 2 wars and expose corruption.

He is not doing this at all. What he is doing is an avalanche release of information that is taken out of context because key information is missing, specifically context reports from agencies who hold the other parts of the puzzle.

If Assange screened the documents and released the ones that show absolute proof of wrongdoing, thats one thing. To dump like this is counter to his goal because any legitimate report will either never be found because of the size of the release,

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Interpol cannot arrest anyone. Interpol and its member countries are used for National warrants that are set for world wide extradition. The Interpol Red tag they gave Assange does not mean he is their top wanted person. What it does is flag him in the system to notify law enforcement in whatever country he goes to their is a valid arrest warrant that allows world wide extrqadition.

I though of a answer to this, but then realized that THEY would find away around it, anyway here it goes

Either have a committee that overseas all top secret file from time to time, Or just release them in a timely manner

this isn't heavy lifting thinking here folks, national sercurity to WHO...., what is the most basic reason to keep something a secret, and good intentions have nothing to do with it

but make no mistake about it THIS guy and the people this will protect are peeing on us and calling it rain, I'm sure they get a kick out of all these laws they can just cleaverly name and not worry about the populous because more then half of the people are a sleep and the other half think the people awake are crazy

Originally posted by RUSSO

Senator Joe Lieberman Introduces SHIELD Act To Make Classified Information Releases Illegal

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Senator Joe Lieberman, the chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, has introduced new legislation that would make the publication of any classified intelligence source illegal. The proposed legislation is known as the Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Law Dissemination (SHIELD) Act,

“The recent dissemination by Wikileaks of thousands of State Department cables and other documents is just the latest example of how our national security interests, the interests of our allies, and the safety of government employees and countless other individuals are jeopardized by the il

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This law, ONLY secures the information of LIES, SCANDLES, FRAUD, AND THE THIEVES WHO TAKE IT FROM YOUR TAXES. More laws to garentee the use of more deals that rob you the taxpayer blind in some shape or form. DO YOU LIKE IT AMERICA? YOU LIKE IT, CAUSE NOTHING GETS DONE. You love this kind of activity because usa does nothing about it. The THUGS go on, buisness as usual. GO PAY YOUR TAXES NOW SHEEPLE. You ain't going to do nothing, not a thing.
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This is what they do with my taxes. Then i do not owe any taxes. Taxation without representation. To represent and tell me where, why, to who, and to what end my tax money is used for. I will not pay taxes to an orginization that acts like a THUG and abuses it's powers. YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES THIS YEAR.