TSA: Travelers Who Refuse Scanning Can't Leave, Will Be Fined

well gosh folks,
looks like the TSA has become
the Gestapo !!!

Genitals, errrrr I mean papers please !!!!

Just don't fly, when they have empty
airliners on the tarmac, they will get the
message.

It was governments (CIA, Mossad) who
created terrorism anyway.

This is what is so appalling about all of this,
they won't lift a finger against 12 Million
illegal aliens, but they will lift a finger
against lil Johnny and Sissy, getting on
an airplane. Talkin bout ur priorities
being totally bass ackwards.

Our gov is totally FUBAR

Who would wanna be a TSA screener? Who is screening the screeners?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


This is getting out of hand!! WTF!! I am so happy my family and I do not fly, and because of this I don't think we will be doing it ever! I would rather drive across country in a car and deal with my family, then fly on a plane!! I hope someone comes and takes these #ers down, seriously!! I just saw on drudge report a little boy got searched!! I cannot take conformity this sucks!!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
No radiation but instead molestation

I don't like that one either

I don't either, but if people are willing to do it to clog up the airport traffic and make a point, then I support it as a way of non-violent protest.

What are the people endorsing this thinking?????

You can look in these TSA threads and see people saying that they'd rather be felt up than face a terrorist on an airplane. They have completely bought into the fear-mongering. They're afraid of terrorists, which is what the government has been pushing - like candy at a elementary school - ever since 9/11. It works. Fear controls the populous. Makes them malleable. Makes them willing to give up their privacy.

This right here shows you that the people still have power
They are scared that the slaves will stop working and contributing fuel to the engine

Exactly> Don't fly!

The biggest threat that this country faces is the tactic of incrementalism

I agree... IF that incrementalism is encroaching upon our liberties. Incrementation in the direction of MORE freedom and MORE rights, etc. is not dangerous at all, but it's what we should strive for.

Originally posted by Shystargazer
Is it just me or has anyone else wondered if the government is making the experience so bad so that people will get fed up and force the airlines to stop using the TSA and go to private security companies? The cost then goes to the airlines and then on to us as higher ticket costs? U.S. saves a ton of money.....we as consumers get screwed as usual?

I have been wondering about the various conspiracy angles on this and this is yet another one. But people are going to be opting out of flying anyway and the airlines are going to be losing money. If they are forced to pay for the security and increase prices, they're going to make flying impossible for all but the wealthy... Maybe that's the goal...

I'm flying next month. I cannot just cancel this as it is to see my family I haven't seen in a year. So I'm going to have to go with the scanner if my only choices are pat down and scanner. It's a matter of weighing two evils here, at least with the scanner I won't be touched. I'll be seen though. This is going to be bloody awful.

A friend of mine who flew out of SFO the other morning told me she was patted down by a male agent because the two females were busy with someone else. They are saying that only women will get women but apparently it's not happening 100% of the time.

It looks like the TSA may be starting to succumb to the pressure from the public.

TSA chief tells NBC that agency is rethinking screening procedures - TODAY Video

www.msnbc.msn.com...

While watching the "news" this morning with my grandfather (who is 95 years old) he told me that this country is heading into some dark times. I believe what he says is truth because he's lived long enough to see the changes our country has gone through. He too sees this as the beginnings of what was similar to nazi Germany and sees the dangers. As someone else mentioned in another thread - last year it was the swine flu epidemic, this year they found a new way to control the population via their scanners.

I'm listening to CNN right now where the gentleman with bladder cancer was humiliated by TSA. You see, these people don't give a damn about you or anyone else. They showed a line of people in Fort Lauderdale this morning waiting for the scanner. Most do not want to be touched, so through the scanners they go. They give NO choice.

Your choices:

Scanner
Pat down
Refuse ----> fined and or jailed
Don't fly at all

Take the bus ----> subject yourself to possible search and seizure
Take the train ----> "

Doesn't this sound similar to how they treated first nations? "You can have some land, but it's the land that I give you... which doesn't have much to grow food on, or means to hunt, but we, the government will take care of you. You'll get your rations and you'll be living the way we want you to live".

History is repeated by those who never learned a freaking thing by the past. Please fight. I'm going to fight against this injustice. From where I can and where I live.

if you folks are serious about this non-flying thing, you better get ready for a huge increase in gas prices.

that will surely be "their" next move.



and if they do not succeed by making gas cost prohibitive, then get ready for checkpoints.




hell maybe this was the plan all along.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Racial profiling works. Do it.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

TSA: Travelers Who Refuse Scanning Can't Leave, Will Be Fined

news.antiwar.com

“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave” warned Sari Koshetz, a TSA spokesperson. TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the “full body scanners” and the “enhanced pat down” procedures will be taken into custody.

Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists, face fines of up to $11,000 and may also be turned over to local police.

One sheriff’s office said they were already

(visit the link for the full news article)

Bottom line here is clear.
DON"T FLY...don't even go near an airport. Your freedoms are gone, TPTB are in charge and the New World Order is here. Nationalism died for lack of interest.
......

We could make flying easier and more interesting if we would just fly NAKED!

No, seriously. It is time for someone to present a real solution.

I would advocate the airlines have each passenger to go into large rooms, separated by sex, with private stalls. Disrobe, except underware, and put on a disposible paper suit (coveralls) for the flight. Nothing could be carried onto the plane save for a paper bag they give you for your clothes. While in the changing room, inspectors, of the same sex, would be keeping track of those inside. They would not have to watch each move everyone made; someone trying to hide contriband could be easily detected.

At the end of the flight, passengers would repeat the changing of clothes and be on their way.

This may not be the best solution, but we have to find something better than what we now have.

Innocent until proven guilty?
Reasonable suspicion?
Warranted search and seizure?
Not if you're OHS/TSA. It's the opposite for them.
They assume you are carrying something illicit. They assume you are are guilty. They assume you are a terrorist.

This whole thing is about two things: Money, compliance.
Compliant people running through very expensive machines.

10,000 sniffing dogs couple be deployed for the same amount of money....ten for every machine (just in case one dog is having a 'bad day').

I keep hearing these statistics on the news that 80% of Americans are ok with the screening procedures. I find that very disturbing. I hope the news has it as wrong as they get most things.
We the people really are we the sheeple if its true.

I love how you guys act like it's so easy to just not fly. My job relies on it, and if I don't fly, I'm out of a job. Yeah, it sucks if I get randomly selected, but hey, that's part of the procedure now. I'm not happy about it, but if you want to get somewhere, than you have to man-up.

After having seen report after report fly in on ATS, the TSA and airports in general disgust me to no end.

I refuse to fly and will not support the Airline Industry in any fashion as long as these inhumane practices are happening

Seriously people, we need to just halt the engine. I agree with the original post. Lets all just stop flying and tank the industry.

This kind of stuff makes my blood boil.

this is a little over the top. I am all for safety, we can't really trust each other now can we?

that being said if I decide I don't want to go through that search, why can't I just loose my plane ticket and go home a couple hundred bucks short.

HOWEVER if you have nothing to hide then why would it matter if they scan you... personally I can see where they are coming from. I mean if you get there then deiced they can't search you it's going to seem pretty suspicious. I would probably want the authorities to have a look at someone too... just to make sure they didn't have a bomb strapped to them or something.

this is kind of a hard one to make an opinion on, being as it makes sense but if you are proven innocent then why all the consequences

GummB

reply to post by harvib


While not a frequent traveler, I do fly 6-10 times a year. I have never seen any "fine print" that shows I am consenting to this type of search. I've flown twice since the new procedures have been in place (that is its own post), and I have nothing other than a standard boarding pass, complete with ads.

I have an upcoming flight next week (post holiday) and have been all over both my itinerary and the Delta web site and, again, nothing. The closest I can find is a Security Checkpoint Link that details what can be checked/ carried.

Maybe you get the fine print if you check in at the airport? That would seem to defeat the purpose, but who knows. Unless anyone else comes up with a ticket, etc., I will keep an eye on my newest ticket and see just what I am agreeing to.

reply to post by Unity_99


They are not exempting Muslim women. That was a suggestion by CAIR, that Muslim women are patted around their hijabs. Not a rule by TSA.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Your title for this thread is quite deceptive. It's not that the person refuses scanning -- it's when the scanning started and the person elects to opt out. See the difference?

That would be a way to probe the security in dry runs against TSA.