LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

reply to post by pmbhuntress


I never said it was a plane, if you look on page 27 I gave, in some detail, what I believe it to be. I'm basing what I think off of evidence that is presented over and over again here and answers most questions I can find. As for no planes being in the area at the time, I proposed a fighter jet from an aircraft carrier that wouldn't require clearance from LAX, nor them knowing about it if it's top secret testing.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker


Where are all the other contrails then? Los Angeles Internaional airport is one of the busiest? why the big comotion? I haven't heard of another contrail generating so much air time.No responsible Gov. agency would admit the Chinese fired a missile so close to the US mainland.It does smell fishy.

Originally posted by Xurxox
I'm asking more of how you go about sifting through the trash and use only reliable sources and what makes those sources reliable.

that is a great question,
one of the best posted thus far
so it deserves an answer

There are a number of variables which
I use to determine validity of info.
The main variable would be confirmation
from multiple sources which this event does
have. There are several retired military
who claim it was a missile. And another
one would be eyewitnesses, there have been
several of those in this thread and other threads
on this subject here at ATS including a mod
who's spouse claims he saw it launch. Planes
and contrails do not launch, missiles do.
Now add in the intuition or gut instincts which
also went off with lots of flashing signs.
Then add in pics and video of the event
as this is another variable to determine
validity. Sometimes, things can be optical
illusions but you try to find the evidence
to prove the effect in which case the plane
contrail coming from over the horizon and the
missile plume coming from under the horizon
clears up the optical illusion theory for me.
So as you can see, I used every one of these
factors in determining my theory for this event.
It was well thought out and checked before
ever posting it. And thanks for asking

reply to post by backinblack

You're right. I hadn't heard the actual interview before.
CBS news could have made that up completely.

reply to post by backinblack


Yes, and this could all be cleared up if the gov would just say "Relax, dear minions, that was simply Flight *insert number here* which departed from *insert airport* destined for *insert airport* " ...and provide detailed info on time of departure and destination coinciding with this heretofore unexplained (to many) event!

Passenger airline data is not Top Secret. Missile launches of this nature most likely are, depending on who is responsible and the purpose of the launch.

Logic alone tells me this was not an airplane!!!

reply to post by NuclearPaul


If this missile had stages you would see the distinct signature of stage separation. There is no example of stage separation in the video. When strategic defensive technology is deployed the defensive missile is going to overtake the offensive weapon at a right angle with a nice arc in the angle of attack shortly before contact and there is no evidence of this in the Southern California video. Compare the footage to known missile launch footage and you will soon narrow it down to a trident class missile or a missile that is extremely close in size, speed and nozzle velocity. Trident class missile ... Trident class missile ... Trident class missile...

The name of the game here is ....

what does this all say ?

I mean is there a meaning ?

Does this mean maybe just maybe the last 10 years of making our nation safe should have been protecting our seas and doing real hardcore stuff like protecting us from a nation and not some man in a cave

I mean maybe this was a wake up call .....Back to reality united states ....There is real people like china who has lots of toys ..

My recap ..IMO
It wasn't flights 808 or 902..
The 10 minute filming is no longer proven...

So lets restart from there...

Was it a missile? If not, what plane was it??

Only two choices at this time, but who know....

reply to post by boondock-saint


So how is it you can respond to a small two line question and ignore a second theory, not to even show the flaws in it.

Originally posted by backinblack
Ohh, so the cameraman never said that..You know you should check you facts before sprouting them as proof Phage..

oh I wouldn't be so hard
on him
he's just doing his job
with what lil resources
available to him
I can tell he has a good heart
just a lil misguided in his
intent

he still owes me a beer

I buy it.

Good work, Boondock.

Of course I hope you're wrong, but...the government always knows more than they say.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by backinblack

 

You're right. I hadn't heard the actual interview before.
CBS news could have made that up completely.

edit on 11/15/2010 by Phage because: (no reason given)

We all get tricked by what we hear sometimes..
I don't think this thing will be solved until they release the full, unedited video..
I'm sure even an extra few minutes wuold probably at least show some background..
Then we would know for certain wether this thing was horizontal or vertical..
That's all we really need..

Originally posted by new_here
reply to post by backinblack

 

Yes, and this could all be cleared up if the gov would just say "Relax, dear minions, that was simply Flight *insert number here* which departed from *insert airport* destined for *insert airport* " ...and provide detailed info on time of departure and destination coinciding with this heretofore unexplained (to many) event!

Passenger airline data is not Top Secret. Missile launches of this nature most likely are, depending on who is responsible and the purpose of the launch.

Logic alone tells me this was not an airplane!!!

edit on 11/15/2010 by new_here because: typo

I said almost exactly that early in the main thread..
But the sane can be said for the news station not releasing the whole video even now...

Originally posted by Xurxox
So how is it you can respond to a small two line question and ignore a second theory, not to even show the flaws in it.

brother
this thread is 20 some pages and counting,
there is no possible way I can respond to
every single question or comment.
Therefore some do not get answered
or some have already been answered
on prior pages.

reply to post by boondock-saint

You see, this one particularly stood out because you got to all other questions on that page. It just seemed odd that you ignored it.

Originally posted by backinblack
I don't think this thing will be solved until they release the full, unedited video..
I'm sure even an extra few minutes wuold probably at least show some background..
Then we would know for certain wether this thing was horizontal or vertical..

lol
u said a mouthful right there

and such is the need for conspiracy theories
until the actual facts can be proven beyond
a reasonable doubt.

keep truckin brother
we're on the right path

reply to post by boondock-saint



No one should be that convinced about this “airplane” explanation until the “authorities” come up with a flight number, a flight plan, a plane number, radar transponder and identification code and it looks like no official even wants to address this issue which....speaks for itself.

So here's what I really think is happening: The ones calling this an “airplane contrail” are directing their dialogue towards those of us who don't know enough about trajectory, plume-color, angle, altitude etc....... to even dispute the science so--------- I honestly think this is a ploy to attract more attention to this government in peril. I believe someone wants Obama out of office and this is just one extra incentive to employ (and expedite?) impeachment plans!

I've been considering this enigma of the mystery contrail for the past few days and it does look like the contrail originated from low in the foreground on a trajectory out towards the ocean. Perhaps it is China warning us that we owe them so much money that they basically own our country for the time being and have the capability of destroying us, and the world if necessary. I think another possibility is a regular chemtrail, spraying silver oxide or whatever it is they want to achieve a certain meteorological effect. It may be related to HAARP also, although I want to avoid conflating different conspiracies. A very similar contrail was spotted in Phoenix, AZ several days before the Los Angeles sighting, originating from a landlocked military base. Perhaps Los Angeles was a response to Phoenix. Either way, it is still too early to say that we are in the clear, as the timewave collapses more day by day.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
No one should be that convinced about this “airplane” explanation until the “authorities” come up with a flight number, a flight plan, a plane number, radar transponder and identification code and it looks like no official even wants to address this issue which....speaks for itself.

u bring up a good point.

a lot of people believe the plane theory
not because of the evidence provided but because
believing in the other side of it would ruin their
portrayal of reality. They don't want to believe
the bad things that happen in this world.
it is an equivalent to an Ostrich with it's
head in the sand. If they don't see it,
it won't affect them. However, in this
case, they are in a state of denial.
They won't believe cuz they CAN'T believe.

I am pretty sure it was an Al Kayda missile. They have attacked us and other countries like India before so there is a lot of precedent. I am working on a diagram that I think will prove it was them. Ill post back here soon.

It could be a lot of different countries actually guys.

Something is def wrong though thats for sure.