NASA smoking gun clear photo of structures on moon(direct link from their server)

reply to post by torsion


And the pseudo skeptics have learned well from these idiots...

I don't hold with the 'believer' camp of ultra-orthodox, 'using the brain is the work of the devil' ideas... However, I get really narked by the irrational scepticism I see on the other side of the fence. The Moon/ Mars anomalies are a great testing ground for how open-minded/ rational a person really is.

Pseudo-skepto-bunkers are seen for what they are. Genuine skeptics are a valuable asset to any line of enquiry...

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

And the pseudo skeptics have learned well from these idiots...

Which "idiots" are you referring to?

... I get really narked by the irrational scepticism

How would you define "irrational skepticism" and is there really such a thing?

The Moon/ Mars anomalies are a great testing ground for how open-minded/ rational a person really is.

Or how gullible and irrational, surely?

Pseudo-skepto-bunkers are seen for what they are...

What exactly is a "pseudo-skepto-bunker"?

something is twisted somewhere along this line mate.
Bruno, galileo et al at that time where the fringees...then, there was no such thing as state/church separation.only vatican call the shots, and what is happening now, the state (status quo) is the one on the helm.
Bruno et al ,they were the "believers" trying to correct the church dogmas.
but their debunkers couldnt contain them so they have to burn and classify them as heretics.
Vatican just very recently admitted to these atrocities in the 1990's...
sounds familiar?

actually structures remind me of an aerial shot of an castle, with all that round and hexagonal shapes

heres an aerial pic of castle so you decide

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

And the pseudo skeptics have learned well from these idiots...

Which "idiots" are you referring to?

... I get really narked by the irrational scepticism

How would you define "irrational skepticism" and is there really such a thing?

The Moon/ Mars anomalies are a great testing ground for how open-minded/ rational a person really is.

Or how gullible and irrational, surely?

Pseudo-skepto-bunkers are seen for what they are...

What exactly is a "pseudo-skepto-bunker"?

Well that was a nitpick if ever I saw one! Still, I think you misinterpreted my intention. I was with you all the way - "The Believers burned Bruno alive and persecuted other rational scientific thinkers with similarly horrible threats of torture and burning to death - it was the only way they could win the argument."

Those 'Believers' were the guys I called idiots - apologies if that wasn't clear from my first comment.


The definition of a pseudo-skepto-bunker is a person who will adopt an unswervingly mainstream/ hyper-skeptical mindset when confronted with anything outside the 'established paradigm'. Pseudo-skepto-bunker is a colloquialism intended to refer to 'personally sadistic' disinfo proponents (ie - getting joy from being a @£$£$%), corporate shills and government paid trolls.

Incidentally such an outlook fits well with the religion-centric thoughts of the idiots described above. Man being the centre of the known universe? Nothing beyond us, despite mounting evidence pointing to such a likelihood even on our own cosmic doorstep? It is the height of arrogance to assume that we know even a hair's breadth of all that there is to know, and yet we have people all over these forums and throughout the scientific world who make a living by ridiculing the people who dare to push the boundaries and investigate things that many would rather see kept quiet. Such as bases on the Moon.

For goodness' sake - the 'telling' NASA transcripts from across the decades; multiple testimonies of astronauts; footage from multiple missions; evidence of tampering on NASA photos (and others); phsyical anomalies all over the moon's / mars' surface; and structural geological anomalies. None of this is a cause for open-minded enquiry? It's not about being gullible, it's about being open-minded and prepared to adapt. Being adaptive and prepared to collaborate is part of what makes the human race incredible.

Yes, irrational skepticism exists. Take a definition of each word, and you'll find the term is rather self-explanatory. When evidence, or strong indication of an esoteric/ exotic/ abstract phenomenon is apparent during the course of an investigation, irrational skepticism says "it can't be so, because it was never like that before/ it's ridiculous/ it's preposterous/ it's unlikely" (etc ad nauseum) without ever providing a satisfactory reason for adopting that point of view.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by Dagar

...what I find deliciously ironical is that the attitude of these 'experts' so mirrors that of those who persecuted the likes of Galileo & Darwin.

The real irony is that men like Bruno, Galileo and Darwin were the bravest skeptics and debunkers of all. They dared to challenge the illogical views of the fantasists and explain reality in scientific terms. The Believers burned Bruno alive and persecuted other rational scientific thinkers with similarly horrible threats of torture and burning to death - it was the only way they could win the argument.

Today the Believers continue with that irrational, mindless persecution of common sense but with a different kind of flaming.

... and your reply illustrates PERFECTLY that delicious irony I was referring to.

... a second line, cause there's not really much more I can say

reply to post by zorgon


BEWARE OF MOSAICS! NASA'S OWN ALIEN STRUCTURE DEBUNKED

I did some sleuthing on the image below, which has been reported around the world (even in Russian!) as a possible alien structure on the Moon. It was originally published in a 1978 NASA publication.

NASA SP-362 APOLLO OVER THE MOON. A View From Orbit.
link to publication here


The authors even advanced a theory about the mysterious gentle arches:

FIGURE 68: Although this mosaic covers only a small part of Oceanus Procellarum, it shows a large number of different features that typify the mare surfaces of the Moon.. ... Broad gentle arches, visible only in very low Sun pictures such as these, are numerous and seem to be independent of the even more numerous mare ridges or wrinkle ridges. The ridges are alined mostly northwest and to a lesser degree north-northeast. The alinement suggests-but does not prove-control by tectonic disturbance within the crust.

Turns out the mystery structures are an image artifact. A boom with a cable spiraling around it extended from Apollo 16 craft. It protruded into numerous separate images, which when spliced together, gave the appearance of two separate structures on the lunar surface.






[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/07b81205d70a.jpg[/atsimg]
Source: history.nasa.gov...

HERE IS THE BOOM THAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION!


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ec723995486f.png[/atsimg]
Source: Source: www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo 16 source images of including the boom:

Apollo 16 M 2839

Apollo 16 M 2836


P.S.

I have also discovered another source of spurious UFO illusions. Bright objects in dark space produce dimensional, distorted reflections due to glass optics. Look at the moon in a dark sky at an oblique angle. You will see dimensional squashed mini-moons that look like orb UFOs. Move you eye and they move independently just like real objects! Must be the secret behind magician's tricks!

LED Christmas lights also produce multiple reflections which move like dimensional objects as the viewing angle is changed.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Hexagonal rock columns, such as the "Giant's Causeway" in Ireland you mention, can be a favorite challenge for rock climbers. I beleive they're known as basaltic prisms. Formed by slow cooling in volcanoes.

Giant's Causeway

Here's another site:

Skinner's Butte, Eugene OR USA

Originally posted by Dagar

... and your reply illustrates PERFECTLY that delicious irony I was referring to.

Remember that Galileo was right in his attempts to debunk the Believers' false notion that the Earth was the centre of the universe. He was accused of being a heretic and silenced by the Believers for speaking the truth.

The opening post shows a natural, geological structure on the moon which Believers claim is artificial. Phage has produced irrefutable photos that prove its geological nature. The Believers disregard the proof and still maintain that the structure is a non-natural artificial building "with domes and portholes"! People who disagree with their irrational ideas are condemned as dis-info agents - the contemporary version of the heretic.

I differentiate between "believers" and "Believers", by the way.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

Well that was a nitpick if ever I saw one!

No nitpicking intended, Fly, sorry if appeared to be so. I simply didn't follow the gist of your post. Now you've made it clearer I agree with much of what you say.

However I disagree with your claims that "dis-info agents and paid government trolls" exist and post here on ATS (if that is what you imply). Surely were are just a gathering of regular people with the same interests but opposing views.

Nor am I convinced with the notion that NASA hide aliens spaceships and artificial structures found on the Moon or Mars by blurring their photos. I'm sure if such photos existed and NASA didn't want the public to see them they'd simply not release them.

cheers.

Why are people still flagging this thread? It's been fully debunked.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment

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Nor am I convinced with the notion that NASA hide aliens spaceships and artificial structures found on the Moon or Mars by blurring their photos. I'm sure if such photos existed and NASA didn't want the public to see them they'd simply not release them.

cheers.

Neither am I.but what if Nasa isnt the one who decides what the public can see and what pix to be released? Seemingly the stealth technology we have on earth or humans is no match to those who were able to travel and construct those facilities on the moon?

reply to post by Awalltheone


i dont want to call it "smokin guns", it sounds cliche to me by now but these images surely merits more scrutiny. images are of course compliments of google apps, nasa / jaxa/selene/usgs imagery.






the closest distance i can get a "clear" imagery is at 2kms eye view altitude. less than that is blown out imagery is what i can get.they might even disappear atsome angle of perspective but they are always there!
but at 5 kms eyeview distance, though there might be some distortion, whatever structures are definitely there.

usually nasa gives their craters names, but this peculiar area is simply tagged "humboldt".
the area is basically flat around the mound.
its a shear wall 3000 meters high when viewed on from the south and rounds about 6kms in length. it looks like a fetus (or in fetal position) when viewed from a higher distance.
and please note the interesting features in and around the mound cause it seems that all the roads leads to it..
am posting this for everyone, friends and "foes" alike...
my only misgiving is i dont know how to post direct from source, for i have to extract these images to my cp...

The shadows have not yet been debunked. Can someone explain the straight long shadow?

Originally posted by keyseeker
(snip)
Turns out the mystery structures are an image artifact. A boom with a cable spiraling around it extended from Apollo 16 craft. It protruded into numerous separate images, which when spliced together, gave the appearance of two separate structures on the lunar surface.
(snip)

Are you saying in your reply that Zorgon thought the spacecraft boom was a structure on the moon?

Tell me you're kidding.

Since the early 1990s I've been out the same thing to the gullible who, for some reason, fail to do basic research. And there were other extending parts of the various spacecraft that intruded on the scene and people really thought they were on the surface! Geez!

reply to post by alphaMegas


Why do you persist in providing links to those awful photos taken off your PC's monitor? If you think you've found something worth sharing with the membership, find a source with the photo and copy it to your hard drive then post them here. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and ours.

reply to post by alphaMegas


hello alphamegas why dont you use printscreen instead of taking a picture of the screen? it will give a much better result and higher quality than the links you posted.

reply to post by The Shrike


been trying to do that mate but im no savvy to these gadgets so bear with it please. as for the wasted time , hope to give you your payback soon.
also my point is, i know you guys have better gadgets than i do, you can really go and dig deeper on the images i got for its on google apps.
maybe i have to upgrade my pc now.

reply to post by thecsb


thanks for the tip. i'll sure try the printscreen, is that?

Originally posted by turk182
The shadows have not yet been debunked. Can someone explain the straight long shadow?

i dont think there something to debunk bout the shadow.though it boggles my brain how a mount like mons la hire can extend its shadow upto 46Kms long. i think it meant to distract us from this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b56d7bf5f126.jpg[/atsimg]

and these:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c86870f7df5d.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5facbb9bbf1b.jpg[/atsimg]

and 25 kms east of the "mons" is a glass/like opague dome 300 meters high:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6d6abe81b1d2.jpg[/atsimg]

i cant seem to embed the full images. anyway these can be easily "googled" you may try it yourself...