Would you eat meat if animals could talk?

Originally posted by Unity_99
Meat is needed for b12 and liver for your teeth, and omega for brain growth. Caring, methods of raising and caring for animals instead of corporate methods should be used. But the bloodlines seem to be behind most of this, and yet wont even reveal the truth of waht they know already. Yet I understand the feeling and many healthy people can find alternatives, others have to have a more natural and full diet, their health breaks down on the vegan ones.

What I mean by what they don't tell people is that this a holographic universe and while there are many species and even pets with souls, not everything is soul. Alot is highly responsive, interactive intelligent AI, perception.

Another thing, the slaughter houses, the karma is on them, not us. We have a right to eat and be healthy, and no alternatives, millions cannot take to the woods and hunt, and are limited in this controlled system of scarsity. The ones running these programs bear all the karma.

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Wow, such a long post and absolutely nothing in it is true.

Also, the "Karma" is on slaughterhouses and "programs", not us?? Psychopath (and other disorders as well)
much?

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by nyk537

 

Are you assuming that I am a vegetarian? Well if that is your assumption you are wrong as most of my foods that I eat are meat products. For instance tonight I had a McDonald’s cheeseburger with no second thoughts but if I knew the cow being slaughtered was screaming prior to its death I could not eat that burger.

But you would not hear the screams unless you slaughtered your own meat.

And just because, according to your OP premise, something could make audible sounds of agony, that doesn't mean it still isn't in agony when it is led to slaughter (internal screams on a meta-level) + (unless you mean conscious of the process to which it is being led and of its own impending mortality), so either way...you do not hear what is happening.

Personally, i really do not know the answer that question, but i would have to say yes, i would still eat meat simply because i do not slaughter it.

I have seen videos of animals slaughtered/killed and the sounds they make (and it makes me sick), which is why i cannot personally kill an animal unless i was absolutely hungry (when one is hungry one sees a steak, not an animal ); however, as much as i tried to be a vegetarian and also a vegan, i just like meat too much.

If a cow was screaming "don't kill me bro!" i might have a slightly different opinion (even if i could not actually hear it but was aware of it), but i still think that the *process* of the slaughter is hidden from public view, which is a reason why so many people can eat meat without guilt.

As far as the people doing the slaughter, well, plenty of humans lead their fellow man to slaughter (whether state sanctioned or not), so i am sure there would be plenty of people fine with doing it (and possibly enjoying it), and if they weren't, i am sure there would be something put into place that would try to diminish the sounds or the speech as much as possible.

*shrug*

Of course, i am grilling steak tonight. Thank you brother cow for giving me sustenance, even if you suffered in life.

reply to post by Unity_99


How do you manage to make every one of your posts about "the holographic universe" even in threads that ARE NOT RELATED?

reply to post by TheDebunkMachine


God likes his barbecues to have the smoke go striaght up
He lives in a holographic universe
'''''''''''''''''''''''''

If you don't eat the stag every once in a while
the genetics of a deer heard will get totally fubar'ed
If man don't eat him, the wolves will
PS
read "the secret life of plants"
plants go into shock at the intent to kill them,
and they remember the people that scare them too
as was proven in experiments.

So you holyier then thou VEGANS are cooked right there

In the native tradition the whole spiritual connection between hunter and prey is that
through ceremony you request that an amimal will GIVE ITSELF to the hunter
to be released form this world.

the hunter is not to waste the gift

I would eat talking chickens. I would say "Mr. chicken, I hope you understand that I HAVE to eat you, but I promise you that I am not happy about it and if there was anything I could do I would". om nom nom nom nom

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by TheDebunkMachine

 

God likes his barbecues to have the smoke go striaght up
He lives in a holographic universe
'''''''''''''''''''''''''

If you don't eat the stag every once in a while
the genetics of a deer heard will get totally fubar'ed
If man don't eat him, the wolves will
PS
read "the secret life of plants"
plants go into shock at the intent to kill them,
and they remember the people that scare them too
as was proven in experiments.

So you holyier then thou VEGANS are cooked right there

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edit on 27-5-2011 by Danbones because: PPS animals do talk...maybe not english, but they communicate. anyone who says IF or don't is not listening

God didn't like Barbecue when he created the Garden of Eden, in fact, the lion lay with the lamb. When people sinned, then suffering and cruelty were introduced.

The "secret life of plants" was 30+ years ago and delved into the Aura and Mystical speaking to plants. It has never been proven. A book and purported expirements by one man do not make this "Truth".

I should write a book on how Edible Underwear feel pain, because I looked into the aura of the underwear, and spoke to it through a medium, and hooked it up to a polygraph and it jumped when I said BOO.....so that somebody somewhere can point it out as being factual..... in the holographic universe discussion about the ethics of eating edible underwear.

We got to eat something, no? What if fruits & vegetables could talk? Would you eat them? Would an animal resist the opportunity to eat you if given the chance?

Pointless question IMO.

The flippant comments in this thread, are amazing. Not a thought given, scoffed off a as a joke. Lack of empathy, lack of responsibility....

reply to post by TheArchaeologist


According to fairytales yes. Funny, back to the times of dinosaurs, and before, there have been hunters, prey and scavengers. Well before the times of lions and the lambs.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
We got to eat something, no? What if fruits & vegetables could talk? Would you eat them? Would an animal resist the opportunity to eat you if given the chance?

Pointless question IMO.

Have you read ANY of this thread?

Also many plants offer their fruits, as they fall to the ground and rot if not eaten, and being eaten disperses the seeds. Do animals offer themselves up to be slaughtered?

I wonder how many animals there have to be that have the capability to maul us, eat us, and shat us out, that DO NOT, that people don't seem to notice??? Dogs, for one, could kill us and eat us, if they wished. I could go on and on, even with wild animals....

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

 

According to fairytales yes. Funny, back to the times of dinosaurs, and before, there have been hunters, prey and scavengers. Well before the times of lions and the lambs.

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Adding the element of big bang vs creation, a topic in and of itself, and could not possible be entirely discussed here, and, have been spoken to already in this thread by me....well played. No,not really.

Originally posted by TheArchaeologist

Also many plants offer their fruits, as they fall to the ground and rot if not eaten, and being eaten disperses the seeds.

Animals have seed too....they are called offspring.

Do animals offer themselves up to be slaughtered?

Do plants?

Everytime I see this thread title I think of two things:

Barbeque sauce and a well cut steak.

Originally posted by peck420
Everytime I see this thread title I think of two things:

Barbeque sauce and a well cut steak.

LOL!!!

Every time I see this thread, I think of the hypocrites that believe it acceptable to eat one life form, while chastising others for choosing a different life form for nutrition.

Additionally, if you want to compare yourself with animals in one breath, as being a PREDATOR, but then in the next breath say we're above animals...

You might want to also look at the fact that animals take only what they need, they do not waste, they do not factory farm, they do not manipulate and breed animals that use up vast resources to produce one pound of said meat. They kill with expediency, because they have to, to avoid being injured. We ship animals on trucks in the heat, send lame animals to slaughter dragging them with chains, kill animals in inhumane ways ( when we ARE capable of a better way of breeding and farming) .


We WILLFULLY cause extreme pain and suffering to produce veal, calves chained at birth, fed an unnatural diet, so that their muscles don't develop and their meat stays pale. We willfully stuff pipes down the throats of geese to produce fatty livers for our pate'. We WILLFULLY and knowingly impart suffering on animals, simply for our excesses, and greed, and we are better than "animals"?

Yes, yes I would. Its either me or them and I choose me. I would die in a matter of months on a vegan diet due too poor absorption of b12 and iron. Supplements don't absorb very well.

I have a theory. If your ancestors were farmers, a vegan diet will be fine for you, but if your ancestors were herders than you need a diet high in meat and dairy.

reply to post by TheArchaeologist


Who says we are above animals?

Who says we let them suffer?

Every kill I have ever made, I have made as quick and clean as possible. Just as my father taught me.

He also taught me to offer my respect and thanks to the animal killed by wasting nothing of it.

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by TheArchaeologist

Also many plants offer their fruits, as they fall to the ground and rot if not eaten, and being eaten disperses the seeds.

Animals have seed too....they are called offspring.

Do animals offer themselves up to be slaughtered?

Do plants?

I am not sure this is going to go anywhere because the quote above demonstrates that you don't understand what I am saying, but I'll try again. Yes, fruiting plants to offer themselves up.

Animals seeds are offspring...And?

Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

 

Who says we are above animals?

Who says we let them suffer?

Every kill I have ever made, I have made as quick and clean as possible. Just as my father taught me.

He also taught me to offer my respect and thanks to the animal killed by wasting nothing of it.

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Red this thread and you'll see the examples of all the above.

As for "who says" we make animals suffer??? With all due respect, but do you live on the planet earth? If so, how can you ask, "how do people make animals suffer".?? I am not speaking to you, and you alone.