Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations as millions fall

You can't offend the Muslims for fear of death threats but they are able to disrupt anythign they like.

This is only one of 17 things that prove Islam is dangerous.

Originally posted by pavil
I honestly don't know why you put up with such crap from people who obviously don't appreciate your country. Send them back to whatever hell-hole they came from. See how they like it "back home" rather than in the U.K.

Your location says ''Michigan, USA''.

Please tell me how your Federal government or the State of Michigan deports citizens that express objectionable and incendiary views ?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I'm equally pissed off that our government invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, but we both have the vote, so there's no excuse here.

LOL.... yeah right, that's a good one.

Voting, protesting.... none of it matters.

Over a million people marched against the proposed invasion of Iraq.... it did f*** all man.... it makes no difference, the government do what they want and then blame whoever they want.

Just show some footage of an angry mob of Arabs burning flags every few days on the news.. and the next time a school or hospital is bombed.... it's not so bad...

Originally posted by Yissachar1
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Wanna bet?

Second

Do I want to bet what?

That you're going to go and sort out all the Muslim extremists... and you're gonna get all Rambo or something?

Grow up mate.

I always see you on threads about Muslims... you have a problem with them.... whether the story or "issue" is credible or It's just a load of anti-muslim crap... you're there spouting nonsense.

Go to your local mosque with a sign expressing your displease....

Run into a Mosque screaming f*** Allah.... I don't care dude.... It means nothing to me.

I'll never know if you did it and don't care if you do.

What are you going to do... honestly?

My apologies, I misunderstood your post. It reads a little like you don't know what poppy day is about hence my reply. Just trying to educate you dude. But ask yourself this - if the allies withdrew from Afganistan do you think it will stop the fundamentalists from their hate campaign? If you believe that then you clearly don't understand them.

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It doesn't.......We just put kill orders on U.S. Citizens that express similar words.

Barack Obama orders killing of US cleric Anwar al-Awlaki

http ://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7564581/Barack-Obama-orders-killing-of-US-cleric-Anwar-al-Awlaki.html

I am of the vein, that if you hate living somewhere so much that all you can do is spout vileness about the place you live.....then it's time for you to go live someplace else.

Originally posted by 3finjo
My apologies, I misunderstood your post. It reads a little like you don't know what poppy day is about hence my reply. Just trying to educate you dude. But ask yourself this - if the allies withdrew from Afganistan do you think it will stop the fundamentalists from their hate campaign? If you believe that then you clearly don't understand them.

No worries... I thought by me saying that this poppy day was dedicated to them, as opposed to poppy day in general... would have been clear, if not then that's my fault.


As I said in my other post.... It's probably too late now... damage done.

We've been in Afghan for 9 years..... 9 years of killing people and occupying a country that actually did nothing wrong....same as Iraq... we go there, (and Afghan) bomb the country's infrastructure.... kill as many people as quickly as possible... and then go around trying to make friends with the locals... while killing their families and friends on a daily basis.

As well as stealing all their resources and drugs and so on....

And then wonder why people retaliate.... and get all riled up.

Most people in the west are blind to what's going on... which is sad.
They believe that somehow we the west are the victims of the evil religion of Islam.

All religion is bad and as bad as each other.

People are being slaughtered for money and land and oil... and It's a sad that most here in the west aim their anger at a few protesters.... get all riled up and willing to "do something" over like 30 "Extremists"

But their own governments have murdered over a million people so far.... and nobody gives a f***....

Pathetic man.

Originally posted by blupblup
LOL.... yeah right, that's a good one.

Voting, protesting.... none of it matters.

Voting matters; protesting doesn't ( unless it's local ).

Originally posted by blupblup
Over a million people marched against the proposed invasion of Iraq.... it did f*** all man.... it makes no difference, the government do what they want and then blame whoever they want.

''Over a million people'' marching in a country of 61 million people.

Even at the upper estimate of 1.99m, then that still only represents 3% of the population. Hardly something to disturb the democratic process.

Originally posted by blupblup
Just show some footage of an angry mob of Arabs burning flags every few days on the news.. and the next time a school or hospital is bombed.... it's not so bad...

Mate, I'm in agreement with you.

I'm just querying why you'd patronisingly lump all ''Muslims'' together, as if they've all been affected by the British troops' actions in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Like I said, ''Christians'' weren't up in arms when fellow Christians were being killed in NATO air-raids on Serbia.


You seem to be grouping all ''Muslims'' in one particular bracket, and consequently you are as guilty of prejudice as everybody else who has boarded the anti-Islam train on this thread ( despite the fact that you're claiming to defend Muslims ).

Sorry for my honest opinion BUT..

This is nothing but propoganda, news like this is why we commit genocide in other countries then sugarcoat it in "defence" and "national security".

Know what it is in one word. PROPOGANDA nothing more nothing less. Just 100% BS.

Besides, wars are for idiots. Go into another mans country and point weapons at his fellow man and his family, then dont cry when you get tortured and your head cut off SLOWLY, Do i like war and agree with it? NO!, but that dosent mean pissed off people with dead family members and loved ones don't want to watch you suffer.

I dont understand how you can invade another country then cry when members of that country show you no respect. Would you respect someone who killed your brother/sister/mother/father/daughter or son?? NOOOO!

So stop expecting it off other people, the media is building racism, the same as germany did for the jews

No im not a "muslim" i live in scotland and the british army and its corrupted genocide disgusts me, im honestly absolutely disgusted to be a part of this nation and the misleading murder it stands for, and for what it matters to the racists im WHITE, so thats right ever YOUR OWN KIND are sickend by british acts.

I know my history and what happens in the east. This is what happend to my country hundreds of years ago when the Scottish wouldn't conform to British authority. Invade Scotland rape their women, kill their fathers and sons, destroy their culture and language, Aye right, you're not pullin this nonsense over my eyes again.

One question, since over a million (understatement) have died in iraq what has changed? WHAT HAS CHANGED!?? Apart from the nonsensical arguements you use to commit mass murder?

Nationalists is just a politically correct versions of "nazi's"

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Where did I lump all Muslims together?

I mean I've had a long day and am very tired... I must have missed it... can you quote it or something.

Cheers.

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Bluebelle
While I agree that what happened was vile and uncalled for, Im slightly more worried by people's reactions to it and what it could lead to.

It will lead to nothing... much like the OP here, spouting about vengeance and "they will pay".... these are just angry people who need to let off steam... and people who are mainly all talk.

Much like the protesters.

I thought it was a bit bad that they burnt poppies.... but I also believe (If I'm correct) that this poppy day was supposedly for those troops fighting in Afghanistan.... so if they were burning it in protest to that, then fair enough man.

I was thinking more long term effect as a large amount of people don't seem to differentiate between a few extreme Muslim's, and the Muslim community as a whole.
I mean of course its all talk, I doubt very much that people will start burning Muslim's and whatnot, but the last thing anyone needs is more tension building up.

The protest was against troops fighting in Afghanistan, which is fair play if they want to protest about that. But the poppy represents much more than just troops who are out fighting now, and so I can only assume that the reaction caused was the intended ont, or the protesters are extremely naive.
Plus, the protest seemed to be crossing over into a religion based one when you consider that there was various banners stating that 'Allah is our protector, you have no protector', and 'There is no God but Allah'.

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Fair enough, you didn't actually lump all Muslims together. My apologies, if my previous post suggested that.

What I was mainly referring to was the comment where you said: ''I could see why the Muslim protesters would be pissed off''.

By identifying them by their religion, it implies that their religion was a relevant factor in their disgruntlement with the actions of the UK government.

Why would the ''Muslim'' protesters be any more pissed off than the ''non--Muslim'' protesters on the day of this demonstration ?

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There is already a massive amount of racial tension and you're right, this wont help really.
I don't know what's going to happen but I can see riots and some real serious issues before long.

It's been brewing for a long time.

We have racist BNP-like extremists on one side... and Muslim Extremists on the other.

Let them fight I say.... put them all on an Island somewhere (not the UK lol) and let them at each other.
Leave the rest of us to live peacefully.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
In your eyes the only freedom of expression allowed is of your own pet cause..

Look up Projection. You are accusing me of doing something that YOU are doing.

I don't know where you get the idea that I limit my support for freedom of expression to a certain 'cause'... Everyone here who knows me knows that I support it for EVERYONE. You know... equality THAT'S my cause.

I have unusual experiences..
Military.

So, you're special. Good.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't be pissed off. But to deny these people the right to exercise the freedoms that your family and ancestors fought and died for seems a bit DIShonorable, to me.

Just like my ancestors who kept you safe and you would defend those who took a massive dump in their direction!

That seems to be the story you're telling yourself. But it's a fantasy. I do not defend or agree with the actions of these people. But I DO defend their rights and the freedoms that your ancestors died for. You see, it is YOU who wishes to limit freedoms only to certain groups... You would deny it to some.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Your location says ''Michigan, USA''.

Please tell me how your Federal government or the State of Michigan deports citizens that express objectionable and incendiary views ?

You are absolutely right. Our gov does nothing and it sickens me to the core. We even have our own American citizens protesting outside the funerals of dead soldiers calling them baby killers and holding signs saying they are going to burn in hell.

Thank God i'm from Texas, I can guarantee if that happened around here, those people protesting with such negativity and disrespect would be escorted away peacefully or by force, there choice. Thats not freedom of speech when you intentionally try and demoralize someone with truly hurtfull words. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to do that.

If you don't like it leave or voice by your vote. Majority rules.

What an outright display of dishonor and disrespect, I wish I could send my guns to the Brits so they could shoot the bums. I love how foriegners always have to invade a good country leach off its good people and then slap them in the face AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET MAD.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by blupblup

 

Fair enough, you didn't actually lump all Muslims together. My apologies, if my previous post suggested that.

Suggested? LOL

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
You seem to be grouping all ''Muslims'' in one particular bracket, and consequently you are as guilty of prejudice as everybody else who has boarded the anti-Islam train on this thread ( despite the fact that you're claiming to defend Muslims ).

You actually accused me and then said I'm as guilty as anyone of prejudice... and the language was very accusatory too.... but hey, whatever.

What I was mainly referring to was the comment where you said: ''I could see why the Muslim protesters would be pissed off''.
By identifying them by their religion, it implies that their religion was a relevant factor in their disgruntlement with the actions of the UK government.

Well as bluebelle said up there, there were several banners about "Muslims" and so I'm guessing this protest was slightly religiously motivated too?

I dunno.... maybe they were going to another protest after and just happened to have those banners with them?

Why would the ''Muslim'' protesters be any more pissed off than the ''non--Muslim'' protesters on the day of this demonstration ?

Eh?

I'm pretty sure this thread is about Muslim protesters right?
Not my thread choice... and their banners were religiously motivated.

"Muslims against occupation"

"Muslims in UK support Taliban" and so on....

I don't get what your point is...


I'm not highlighting their religion for nefarious reasons.... the thread title should suggest what this thread is about.
As should the banners that the Muslim protesters were carrying?

Anyway, It's late... I got an early start.

Peace

...lots of drama over a few folks exercising the right to protest... of course, its not really about that, is it?... its really about someone daring not to respect white supremacist propaganda and its symbols... makes me wonder whats in the water over there...

Originally posted by blupblup
You actually accused me and then said I'm as guilty as anyone of prejudice... and the language was very accusatory too.... but hey, whatever.

You are as guilty as anyone of prejudice.

You said: ''I can see why the Muslim protesters would be pissed off''.

Muslim = someone who follows and believes in Islam.

Why would ''Muslim'' protesters be pissed off ?

You still haven't explained this comment. Unless you believe that all ''Muslims'' are extremists that would ostentatiously burn poppies on Armistice Day.

Originally posted by blupblup
Well as bluebelle said up there, there were several banners about "Muslims" and so I'm guessing this protest was slightly religiously motivated too?

Nonsense. There were some ''socialist worker'' banners at the recent student demonstration in London, it doesn't mean that the protest was ideologically motivated, politically.

Originally posted by blupblup
I'm pretty sure this thread is about Muslim protesters right?

Maybe.

Originally posted by blupblup
I don't get what your point is...

I think that you do.

So to summarize, a small group of religiously brainwashed people (who happen to be muslim) calling themselves "err...whatever" protest on Remembrance Day and because of it you people decide that all muslims are terrorist mother*******?

Sorry if I got it wrong bur that's the impression I'm left with after reading most of the posts here...

Just in case I'm right and that's exactly what you meant then you must be one sorry, ignorant lot...

Aren't you ever gonna get it: IGNORE RELIGION, it makes you look stupid and it's used to control and divide you!

Be spiritual, not religious!

Now, let's remember all those that have died in ANY war, fighting on ANY side...RIP