Freemasonry, secret or not?

reply to post by jessejamesxx


the meetings have the ritual of how each is opened and closed. Much like any business meeting, but with a tiny bit like a Catholic mass. We open and close with a prayer to our God. (mine is real cool and has a son named Jesus) then we discuss the business that needs to be done and has been done. If you know where these "higher up's" hang out, I want to know. I will storm in and ask why I wasn't invited!

reply to post by network dude


Excellent defense of Crowley and I loved the poke a badger part earlier on. Crowley had the mind of a scientist and a philosopher. He was trying to search for truth and meaning. Led an interesting life in his years that would take up lifetimes for others. Traveled the world,climbed the Himalayas, was a master chess player, did a good job introducing yoga and eastern thought to the western world, helped influence the formation of Wicca, and has been more of an influence on Magick then anyone else since. Magick being by his definition" The science and art of causing change in conformity with will" By that definition prayer, a job, mowing the lawn can be magick. Not so evil. It is people that are evil. Ignorance of the unknown leads to fear, that fear leads to violence. If people would keep an open mind and heart and do unbiased research into the topics of Masonry and Aleister Crowley these kind of back and forth arguments would cease.Almost every Brother I have met has been a good person by my judge of their morality. A lot of intelligent people involved in the craft too. Good conversations..

reply to post by network dude


Oh me? I was just wandering around, now I've sorta wondered on back.

Good to see you're still here Network Dude.

Your religon is luciferian by nature. Worshiping a god named Ja-baal-on, who is a three headed demon with a head of a man, a cat, and a frog. Oh yeah and legs like a spider. I think there is more to your craft than you're letting on. Or maybe you haven't figured it out yet. I still like hearing the part where king soloman grabs hiram abiff by the arm and raises him from the dead. Let me make this very clear I will never call another man master!

reply to post by bodcausailor


One. Lucifer is used as a metaphor for illumination. It can reference Jesus or Venus in Morals and Dogma but at it's core means light bearer. Shaitan is different then Lucifer in the Judaic religion and means adversary. 2 separate entities.
Two. Hiram Abiff being raised from the "dead" by Solomon is an allegory. It represents one whom was not initiated being initiated into the group. Was also terminology used by the Nasorean sect. Makes you look at Jesus 'raising " Lazarus from the "dead" in a different light. Being raised in the degrees etc.

reply to post by bodcausailor


That is not the name of a God, certainly not the god of Freemasonry. The only name that god is referred to by in Freemasonry is the Grand Architect of the Universe.

It really sounds like you were assembling that list of animal parts on the fly...

As far as the part about King Solomon, he is not restoring Hiram Abiff to life, instead he's reburying him in a respectful tomb, honoring his death.

And as far as the religion goes, Freemasonry is not a religion.
Each Mason has his own belief that he practices, Freemasonry is a fraternity he is a part of.

And if you never want to call another man Master, I recommend not joining the army or a martial arts school.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher



Sure but if rogue members go off on their own beaten path...What do you call them?

And how would you defend the innocent and hapless against a small but formidable faction of devil worshipers within this group of ostensibly good and "God fearing" men?

None of them fear God. This is not spoken but it is certainly understood.

A man is as great as the truth he speaks,
As great as the help he gives,
As great as the destiny he seeks,
As great as the life he lives.

As great, as great, as great, as great.
Do they never tire of patting themselves on the back?

All good thoughts and principals to live by but, also rather ego centric and inflated.
They don't know the meaning of humility.
This is for certain.

A man is as great as the children he brings into the world and the legacy he leaves behind.
He is only as great as the people left behind recall that he was.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by TheLoneArcher

 

And how would you defend the innocent and hapless against a small but formidable faction of devil worshipers within this group of ostensibly good and God fearing men?

one good smack on the forehead with a setting maul out to do it. I heard it worked in the past.

And how would you defend the innocent and hapless against a small but formidable faction of devil worshipers within this group of ostensibly good and God fearing men?

By defending Freemasonry against them myself, obviously.

What, you mean they're hiding in Freemasonry? Don't be ridiculous.
It's the other side spewing lies,hatred, fear, paranoia... all the things that would make a being like Satan happy to be a part of.

reply to post by network dude




The 'higher ups' may not even technically be Freemasons. "The Powers That Be" could use Freemasonry for their recruits & as a tool? I think whatever beliefs that TPTB have, (whether it's occult astrology or Luciferian ) Freemasonry's rituals might mirror those beliefs, through the symbolism and rituals.. but not through the actual published belief system. Is it possible that it's the 'First Step' to being 'Illuminated'?

Like for instance, when I finally get to the stage where I'm in a red cloak around a bonfire, plunging a knife down into a virgin sacrifice, "...Oh, I totally understand the Masonic symbols now!"

Originally posted by RuneSpider

And how would you defend the innocent and hapless against a small but formidable faction of devil worshipers within this group of ostensibly good and God fearing men?

By defending Freemasonry against them myself, obviously.

What, you mean they're hiding in Freemasonry? Don't be ridiculous.
It's the other side spewing lies,hatred, fear, paranoia... all the things that would make a being like Satan happy to be a part of.

I mean this pussified group of Masons does not have the integrity honesty and guts to make their convictions known. They go to Church. They pretend to be God fearing when they are anything but. Nothing wrong with being an athiest. I don't even care if you want to worship the devil.
Don't try to talk out both sides of your mouth when you are speaking to me though.
If you believe in the devil and practice black magic, say so.

This is not an atheist.
It is still a theist because the devil is a deity.

This reminds me, since I am a new member I can not yet, but at some point I want to start a thread called "World Financial System Controlled by Messianic Bronze Age Pederasts" The Masons are indeed secretive, but ironically they hide behind the false pretense of having radio advertisements welcoming "anybody." Right, anybody as long as you're a white Protestant male who believes in God and reincarnation, otherwise get the hell out. I predict/hope that someday secret societies are outlawed internationally, as it is obvious that they lead to an unfair balance of power.

Only evil needs to be done in secret and by any definition the Masons are a secret and their teachings are against God. Do the research on Albert Pike and his satanic teachings. He's a HERO to the Masons! They even have a huge statue of him in Washington DC LOL

The average mason is just a useful idiot and knows not of the satanic order after you go to 33rd degree and above. Only the top of the pyramid is where the evil is being done for the most part. Who cares if they give a tiny pittance to charity when the heads of this satanic secret society are involved in the Illuminati plan of a new world order and worship Satan!

Again don't listen to a MASON who wants to tell you how wonderful Masonry it is, do your own research on Pike and the links to satanism. These are the same people that go to Bohemian Grove and worship a stone owl and have "mock" child sacrifices.

If the Masons are really wonderful, why aren't they warning about the frauds of the new world order? LOL
I haven't heard one mason tell others about the Federal Reserve scam, the deadly aspartame, the fluoride scam, the bogus wars we are in, the depleted uranium, the vaccine scam. Nope, you won't hear a Mason tell you things like that because that could actually save your life! The Masons are misguided people who think that they will get ahead in life by joining the brotherhood. Masons even have an oath to DESTROY anybody that quits and exposes their secrets! Does this sound like a Christian organization?

You want to see a deluded Mason that thinks Lucifer is the Light Giver. This is classic.

www.youtube.com...

If you want to sell you soul to Satan then join the Masons. I'll change my mind against them when they start fighting against the new world order. But they will NEVER do that because they are part of the new world order plan. Wake up!

Fear and Ignorance are synonimous with one another. All too often people out there hear one side of the story and decide to never gain a little perspective and study the literature of the opposing group. Once we all understand the reasoning behind the initial secrecy most secret societies veiled themselves behind, then the initial knee jerk reaction we all have will dissipate. Some of the worlds greatest minds have been part of these societies but unfortunately, religous persucution forced many of these people into secret societies since their ideologies and theories didn't coexist too well with powers to be. ( mainly religous institutions )


Excellent post by the way. Very articulate.

Manly P. Hall has many books out divulging the "secrets" of freemasonry and many other escoteric groups. His books are both interesting reads and very enlightening.

reply to post by UnknownPhilosopher

Fear and Ignorance are synonimous with one another.

No they are not.
Fear is apprehension and caution.
Ignorance is not knowing.

Many people are ignorant because they are simply naive.
Naivety is the absence of fear.
It is foolishness and acceptance where there should be caution and discernment.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

See how solicitors and medical proffessionals use latin to confound the uninitiated? Think of Masonry Secrets in that light.

(I didn't read the whole thread yet, but will)

wow, your own words........................"confound the uninitiated"

well sorry, but that is every one else!! It is deception, hidden in plain sight, but there none the less. Deception is probably the strongest power within your beliefs...................Magik.
have fun with that.

PS: do you know the path of the soul yet?

i would imagine freemasonry is non vile or non secretive if they allowed us into lodges such as... skull & bones, rosicrucian, golden dawn, order of demolay, shriners, independent order of odd fellows, knights of pyrthrias, scottish rite, york rite, temple of set, daughters of the nile, order of the eastern star, jobs daughters or the order of amaranth. BUT apparently, you cannot be allowed into such meetings or rituals....

so i think its safe to say for the whole world that these groups are in fact, SECRETIVE.

so i guess you shouldnt wonder why people think these groups are so wicked.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

I mean this pussified group of Masons does not have the integrity honesty and guts to make their convictions known. They go to Church. They pretend to be God fearing when they are anything but. Nothing wrong with being an athiest. I don't even care if you want to worship the devil.

I'd find it hard to see where a Satanist could find meaning in Masonry, and Masonry itself is not a satanic organization.

Don't try to talk out both sides of your mouth when you are speaking to me though.
If you believe in the devil and practice black magic, say so.

This is not an atheist.
It is still a theist because the devil is a deity.

If you are referring to me, I am an atheist, and happy with myself.

When I was speaking earlier, I was referring to the shear amount of hate that is in the people oppose to Masons, which has inspired many lies, distortions, and slander against members.
It would seem to me that if a being existed, like Satan, he'd feel more at home among their ranks than Masonry.

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


The thing is there a number of places and organizations that do the same but are not regarded as wicked, or evil.
I myself have spent a good deal of time interacting with Masons and have found them very forthcoming on information when asked, to the point i was able to obtain books like Morals and Dogma without anything out of my pocket.
That you have to be a member to enter into their building to me isn't unusual, so it doesn't bother me.

I am a Master Mason/3rd degree in the blue lodge and the OP has put it very clear what the Masons are all about. If someone really thinks the Masons are some witchraft practicing occult then they should petition the lodge for admittance. I feel they will be very dissapointed when they get in and find out it's not all so secretive and occultish. The only secret thing is the initiation which in most every fraternal organization is secret. The initiation is a question and answer session taught entirely by dictation face to face and the words cannot be written down or shared with those not in the lodge. 1st, 2nd and 3rd degrees are put on the student by the lodge. It's steep in symbolism and righteousness as taught by God. I consider it more of a Christian fraternity as the Knights of Columbus is similar but based on the Catholic Bible and not the Holy Bible. Yes the Holy Bible is open in the center of the lodge. The 33rd degree you hear about is the Shrine which to the outsider is basically paying some money and going to a class, but you must be a 3rd degree Mason to become a Shriner. That is the simplest terms I can come up with to help someone outside the lodge understand. There is more to it, but nothing sinister or evil I can assure you. It's simply bettering yourself through Biblical values and traditions and started with the Masons who built King Solomans Temple.