Corporatism the most insidious and malignant ism of all

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Well the after reading what was writing on the site you mentioned and viewing the video they gave, some of which can be stated:
The first video actually proves the point I have been making, that is that the root cause and problem with the economy is that there are way too many redundant regulations that impede the growth of business. The second video is what they would be as a good definition of a lack of common sense in the people. But here is the best of example of how we did that to ourselves, and it is not just the government. The question of how did this come about, is a good one. In the second video, well it is disturbing and can frighten a person, but here is the question, if the underwear bomber was successful in his attempt to blow up and down an airline, killing every one onboard and even possibly forcing the plane to crash into a populated area, what would the outcry would have been? And would it have been even worse if it came out that they had the technology, such as the body scanners, to actually have detected and possibly prevented it from happening? Or how about the last food bourn illness that happened with the eggs, where all of the people got sick? The outcry there was do something, people should not have gotten sick, causing a recall of all of those eggs, would the response by the federal government been any different if the public had not cried out for action? It seems like for every action that seems like a good idea that the general public cries out for, tend to erode on our freedom in the long run, or is an inconvenience at one point in the future. You can not have your cake and eat it too and the way government runs the country according to the will of the people is a trade off. You want to be safe and not have airplanes hijacked, well then you will have give up a bit of privacy. Want to make sure your food is safe, then the standards for food safety has to be adhered by everyone selling food. That too proves the point on redundancy of the laws and the will of the people. So if anything this does not prove anything about your point, save one side. There are 2 sides of the store and the issues, and you have to look at both to understand the whole.

reply to post by Stewie


I am a bit more cynical, cause there is something here to look at. Good ideas are often seem to be a way to fix things, but I have yet to meet the lawmaker that looks at what the end result will be in say 5 years, or 10 or even 50 years from now. The lawmakers listen to the public, and often give them what they are wanting, and have to balance between what the public wants and what is good for the country. So take the petroleum industry. Back in the 70’s there was the oil shortage, that caused long lines at the pump, the people cried out, why does the federal government do something, and the government did. They turned around and talked to the oil companies, found out what they want and needed to increase production and the different oil companies expressed what they needed and wanted to do such. The same can be said of any industry now or any regulation. Ultimately, before WE the PEOPLE cry out for action, we too need to think and ask what will the long term consequences of those actions be? It is not just the companies or the governments that have the responsibility, but also the common man. And the real shame of it all, is that the government needs to be talking to a person like you, as it is your determination to make it and be in business that should be getting the hand ups, more so than any other company or person, cause then it starts to have a ripple across the country.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


You touched on a subject that is very upsetting to me. I work in alternative health care. I know that the medical industrial complex causes a lot of cancer with their diagnostic technology which is far too over used because it is a money maker for the big medicorps. The x-rated body scanners are a similar technology and also has hazards associated with it that are simple being ignored.

They have had explosive detecting sniffing technology for years and it can be hand held. They do not have to take nude pictures of our women and children for us to be safe. Look where this could go. What is someone puts explosives in a body cavity or sews it inside themselves. What then? Stronger x-rays that can see all the way through us. That will add to the cancer industry profits but will do little to stop someone from figuring out another way. With each new method of sneaking explosives on a plane we will have to make more and more intrusive technology to detect it. Perhaps they will just have everyone submit to a body cavity search. How would that be?

I will no longer fly as a result of these new rules and I am pretty angry about it. I will not submit to being groped or fondled and I will not submit to a government x-ray of my body so I am out of luck I guess. Terrorism is a symptom of globalist corporatism. It is not because they hate our freedom. It is because they are angry at being smart bombed and watching their innocent women and children dying in globalist air strikes. They don't like the globalist corporatists on their soil with their war planes and military bases. The United States has become the Red Coats of the modern age.Instead of British Mercantilism it is Globalist Corporatist and the US is in the lead of the pack. Ye reap as ye so.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


You have to remember some of the other videos posted in the thread that discuss how this public opinion is formed. The public cries out because the 24/7 fear machine keeps spewing out its propaganda. Consent is created and crafted this way. Problem - Reaction - Solution. They have their hand in every part of it. Food safety you mentioned. It is a symptom of the corporate farming and processing system. Then they take those same regulations that likely should apply to the big corporations in the business and apply them to small farms. This works for the corporations benefit and you can bet they have their hand in the creation of these rules.

This video which is also linked in my post called Independence Criminalized deserves its own post here in the thread. This is over an hour but is so on topic and well done it is a worthy viewing all by itself without the article I linked.



The video was not working for a little while but it seems to be working now.

I was speaking to my friends about this thread. After speaking about the content of the thread the conversation turned to a rather gallows humor. We all realized that our progeny have no future. We can not honestly tell our children or grand children that they will have a future anything like our own. Not only that but we cant offer them any advise on how to obtain a job or expect to raise their own children in the current economic climate. We can not say with any certainty that they will have the opportunities that we did.

We can not tell our progeny that they have any hope for a better future. This is the end of America. There is really no future world we can hand down to our children. Sorry kids but there is no future for you. Sad aint it.

reply to post by wayouttheredude

I do believe you are in error when it comes to the part on food. Many of the regulations did not just appear over night, rather they have been building for years, since the 1800’s, as a means to prevent the spread of food born and air born pathogens that can make a person sick. Take a look back at history and you will see that for every corresponding outbreak or sickness that affected the population, there shortly came out after that a regulation to guide the industry to prevent that from happening again. It had nothing to do with corporate farms, as at that time the corporate farms did not exist until the middle of the 1900’s. And the farming regulations came out, due to the dust bowl, which was a result of the over farming and the removal of the ground cover that caused the top soil to blow away and cause a natural disaster. Other regulations came about, from locusts that were plaguing the bread basket of the country. 24/7 fear machine? Tell me what exactly is that, as I am not familiar with that term as applying in the country or the world today, or are you referring to the news, which like any other business, is in it to make money, and that ultimately has been abused by the general population to this date, cause they do not turn off the machine, or the information network, that as slandered and demonized by the current sitting president in an attempts to force people to quite looking up things on the internet that is politically inconvenient for him to have them look up? You mention about sewing dangerous materials in the body, well guess what it has been done for years, by the drug lords, smuggling narcotics into the country. The explosive means are right now has been attempted. You make these claims, yet do not touch off on what do we do if we end the security and something major happens, how would you explain to the survivors of such an incident? I would not want to be the one to pull the plug on that, as I would not want to the be one who would have to explain to a child that his parent, is not going to come home, cause it was too incontinent for the rest of the population to have the measures in place that could have prevented this from happening in the first place. What many fail to see, is that for every measure that we take to prevent things from happening, those who are bound and determined to make such from happening, will keep continuing to try to find ways to circumvent those ways. We can neither stand by and let such from happening, nor can we just ignore the fact that such threats do exist. The problems are too numerous and the costs are far to great these days to just stop and ignore.
Be it that you may like or not like the way the US does business, but the facts are that it was the drive of the people who set up this country that drove this country and built it up. Question is without disrupting the flow of what business that remains what solutions would you have to improve the situation? Mind you that the solution has to be fair and equal across the board or it would be considered a means of discrimination against the very people that you are trying to help.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


I think you just do not grasp the situation. I can understand that. It is a complex situation and the people who are creating this drift towards greater centralized power monopoly are working on this full time with nearly unlimited resources. As they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

I hope you like having fewer and fewer human rights and liberties because that is where we are headed if people want to keep their head in the sand like you seem to be doing.

If we were minding our own business and working in a fair and equitable manner instead of trying to create a one world corporatist state there would be a lot less human suffering. I for one will continue to work as hard as I can to reverse the corporatist agenda. Posting on this site is not all I am doing. I am also working with scientist and inventors to develop disruptive technologies that when finished will help solve some of these issues and make power less concentrated in the megacorps and government with greater distribution to the public.

reply to post by wayouttheredude

Bear with me, I don't know if I will be able to get my point across, but I will try.
We had a system that worked for most of the people for a while. When I was young, we all knew we had to get an education, and some of us that were on the lower rungs also had to work while going to elementary school. There was no money unless you had someone earning it.
To earn money you had to provide a service. There were jobs, but you had to be able to DO THEM. You had to have skills. You had to learn them skills, and you could. In fact, you had to to survive or go to college.
College was for those that had parents that were more successful for whatever reason. We understood that college was either out of reach, or there was going to have to be major sacrifices made by the poor that wanted to attend and probably his/her family.
Then, things changed...gradually, but like a ship sinking, seemingly unstoppable.
Money, in the form of loans started to become more available. First, with some restrictions, and later, with fewer or almost no restrictions. An entire economy was built upon this easy money. This money funded new businesses, many in the construction industry. Homes became much easier to buy because the approval process became a slam dunk for buyers, the bubble was on. This easy money made it just a bit too easy to advance in society. It appeared that the U.S. economy was awash in wealth and productivity. The illegal immigrant labor migration was in full swing, and everybody was happy.
In fact, you didn't have to work, really. Just invest in stocks, pay Jose in cash, turn some real estate. Your good.
NOW, anyone can get a college education, and the funding, and a degree. Whoopee!

It was all based upon easy money, and people BORROWING it, where before the economy was based upon productivity. The worker had to have skills, and the college educated were typically the types of people that were inclined to BE educated in a way that would contribute to a productive economy.

Then, the money is withdrawn from the system in profit taking, after all the whole purpose was to benefit the lenders. It has to, ultimately.

It is now "fiat" money. It has no value. NOW. Peculiar, it seemed to be the answer to poverty and injustice before....

It has NO value now, maybe because people are not supposed to get easy money. Easy come, easy go. Easy borrowing, easy profits for the bankers in a bubble economy.

The end result? They have their profits. They are able to buy REAL ESTATE at deflated prices. And the REAL kicker! They have been able to buy GOLD all of this time at cheap prices because the fiat money had the illusion of wealth, and they convinced people that you can't EAT gold.

And NOW, guess what. They have the bulk of the gold, of course, and talk is that we should get back to money based upon what?

And the world turns....

I was watching this video and when I listened to the soldier speak I realized that this was a symptom of globalist corporatism. This guy realized what many of us in the military have realized. That the big corporations that profit from war do not care if we win only that we keep on fighting so long as their profits are available. Listen to this guy for a few minutes.

reply to post by wayouttheredude

And what you are not grasping is that we the people created this situation. The modern day problems, take a good look at them, they did not come about overnight, they grew up from small problems, that has existed for a long, very long time. Any problem or issue that you can mention, if you go back in history, you will see the origins were there. And if you look, it is in response to a problem that needed to be addressed. I say it is we the people that caused this problem, especially when you have politicians who have been in office for years and years. Ironic that they morn the passing of some congressmen, who have spend the majority of their lives in office. You are just suggesting anarchy and the tearing down of society with your arguments and have yet to come up with a solution. Like all those in America who bemoan about the state of things, yet when asked did you vote, they say no. Well guess what, that is part of the problem too, the sheer apathy of the general population to the entire process and the civic duty that they have. You complain of human right and fewer rights for the citizens, yet you do not answer the original question on what you would say to the families of the people who are the victims of some of the airplanes that were brought down by criminal activities, or what do you think the outcry would have been if the underwear bomber had been successful in his attempt to bring down a plane over a populated city? Do you not care for the planet? Are you so heartless as to not care for the safety of the children who have done nothing at all? Do you really hate your country and are unpatriotic? Are you really willing to throw more people out onto the streets for a lack of a job? If you are none of the above, then surely you can see that your arguments all state that.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Your statist ideology is not offering a solution it is in fact the cause. Libertarian free market capitalist who are against Keynesian economics and globalist corporatist statism are often called heartless and anarchist which is nonsense. The system will collapse because of its excesses. The result will be a disaster and it is planned to be so painful that people will cry out for solutions. The solution offered will be globalist one world government and currency. For years we have been warning people on the left and the right that the globalist are working them against each other. We make up such a small number of the population that our vote can only work to slant the results to the left of the right. We just do not have the numbers yet but since the Ron Paul Revolution started during his presidential run we have seen some growth. I suggest you read more of the ideas we share by visiting this resource. Campaign for Liberty Education for Liberty

We do have solutions but it requires some study to understand them and this forum is not the place for that.

reply to post by wayouttheredude

Not ideology, but one seeped in fact and based off of the accounts of history. You make claims, yet there has been no real evidence to support the arguments that are being made, save that of bias rhetoric. Every argument that I have made, has been based in fact and historical precedence. You keep stating the system will collapse, yet offer no solutions, no evidence, no proof beyond the very few narrow things that you have, and the basis of the argument is way too broad. You have condemned the system, yet have really offered no solutions to fix it or even to prevent it from happening again. Tear it down and history will end up repeating itself in the long run again, as the lessons will be forgotten and with no reminder of the past problems. History often proves this correct, the best example of that is the current housing market, where the S&L’s caused a collapse in the housing market and a financial group. Those who were around did not learn and it happened again. The lesson there would be to tighten the regulations on both the banking and the real estate industries to prevent this from happening. Yes people would not have been able to afford the houses that are now in foreclosure, but chances are the markets would not have burst the way they did and the economy would have remained relatively stable.

reply to post by SpectreDC

Too bad every time business and government work together, it seems to do the things you are afraid the free market does.

Not at all, when government and business work together, they manage to do some remarkable things. Government and business working together was Clinton's idea, called "Third Way Economics", and it worked great in the nineties. Free Market Economics killed what was a very functional market system.

Government working with business has done some remarkable things, from public works projects, to clothing sizes that allow people to buy clothes that fit off of the shelf.

Hopefully some day, large corporations become a thing of the past. Their existence is due to the need for huge amounts of capital for mass production during the dawn of the industrial era. With modern technology, mass production can be done on a much smaller scale, and we might be seeing the beginning of the end of these giant corporate entities.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Ron Paul is the ultimate One Worlder, a complete corporatist. He wants to sell all of our public assets to corporations, essentially, doing away with democratic governments, and putting corporations in charge of everyone's lives.

It really is sad how libertarians and the Tea Party movement have been sold a bill of goods. They support people and policies that work completely against everything they claim they are for.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Sadly certain groups of people saw the collapse of the S&Ls in the eighties as a good thing, because they made lots of profit from the scams.

Gingrich's banking deregulation legislation allowed them to repeat the process again, except on a much larger scale. It isn't that much different than what created the Great Depression.

The housing bubble was no accident. It was created to do just what has been done.

How many more times are people going to fall for this free market scam?

reply to post by sdcigarpig

the root cause and problem with the economy is that there are way too many redundant regulations that impede the growth of business.

Having worked in some of the most regulated industries, my experience is that what government regulators ask for isn't all that unreasonable, or difficult. People don't want to follow these rules because it prevents them from scamming the system, so they do everything they can to muck things up.

Local regulators/inspectors are usually the worst petty tyrants.

Then there is the insurance industry which creates its own system of regulations that exist for their profits, which are far worse than government regs, and often ridiculous.

Setting federal standards prevents the local tyrants and the insurance scammers from making up the rules as they go, for their own personal gain.

reply to post by poet1b

Ron Paul is the ultimate One Worlder, a complete corporatist. He wants to sell all of our public assets to corporations, essentially, doing away with democratic governments, and putting corporations in charge of everyone's lives.

You are simply lying and bearing false witness.

The one guy in congress that has been railing against corporatism his entire career and you say he is a corporatist. That is astonishing. No it is just lying plain and simple.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Looks like the original links to Ron Paul's stance on Public assets has been buried or removed. I am not lying, you are being scammed. Ron Paul and the Mises Institute are corporatist at the their very heart and soul. Free Market economics is corporatism at its heart and soul.

Reagan lead the way to the corporate take over of the U.S., Paul and the rest of them are continuing on with the selling of democracy.

reply to post by poet1b

Ron Paul and the Mises Institute are corporatist at the their very heart and soul. Free Market economics is corporatism at its heart and soul.

Sure the Libertarian view wants greater private enterprise handling of our economy but they are also aware of the corporatist and are not interested in the support of crony capitalism or corporatism. That is just nonsense. Where is your proof in these statements? Give us some references that are credible before you attack credible leaders like Ron Paul.