Corporatism the most insidious and malignant ism of all

I keep seeing the same old left right left right march into the abyss from too many members here. The false paradigm of the left/right political framework has been like two sides to the same pair of hand cuffs enslaving us all. We need to focus as a whole and take down the agents of Corporatism first and foremost.

Research this topic and inform yourselves. Corporatism

start with the wiki and then check out this wiki page on Hoover and the birth of Corporatism which a lot of lefties hate but has a lot of good info in it.

There is plenty out there. Lets focus on taking it down, but to do that you have to understand it, and be aware of just how insidious and malignant it really is. The left and the right are both over grown with Corporatist and they are the enemy of freedom and liberty. They are constructing a slave state with our labor and all of us are in it.

Lets start working together instead of bickering over this false left/right paradigm. I know the site owner has said this before but the focus has to remain on Corporatism and its destruction and deconstruction or we are all going to be in a world of hurt.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Are you saying the worker trumps everything? Other societies that have tried that line of reasoning haven't worked out all that well.

I am not saying corporations don't need some regulation. I.e., not exporting jobs, punishing those companies that do etc..

I remember a VERY heated discussion I got into with my uncle who worked at GM, who saw absolutely nothing wrong with him getting paid to sit on his ass at home, and then was quizzically wondering how GM nearly collapsed.

Both sides have their share of problems, the corporations and the worker unions. That's not to say I know the answers to those problems however...

reply to post by Darkrunner


I am sorry you are so misinformed about Corporatism. Corporations are not inherently evil. I have run a few very benevolent ones in my days. The problem is Big government in bed with Big corporations. The reason for this thread is to begin to inform people of the ism that is destroying this world not just the USA. Do read about Corporatism and educate yourself so you can understand what is really going on in this world and why things are going so very wrong.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Indeed.

But government is in bed with many organizations, from the global warming crowd, to big tobacco, to big pharma, to the unions.

Lobbyists I think are the real problem.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Excellent post.

Read my location.

Hope somebody out there listens to you.

Part of the battle is first knowing who your real enemy is and you've spelled it out very clearly.

Here is a good descriptive nugget from the above wiki link. this is the kind of corporatism that concerns me in this thread. It is about an amalgamation of the largest corporations and government that is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. Everyone is a cog in the corp/gov machine or they are grist for the mills so to speak.

In Italy from 1922 until 1943, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists led by Benito Mussolini. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a 'corporative state', having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy & authority in a special synthesis. This appealed to Hegelian thinkers who were looking for a new alternative to popular socialist & syndicalist stances which was also a progressive system of governing labor and still a new way of relating to political governance as a whole. Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would go on to become a member of the Italian Fascist regime Fascismo.

reply to post by Darkrunner


I would agree that lobbyist for big globe spanning corporations are a part of the problem. I think that another is the government created monopolies. These are the most obvious and the most dangerous.

For example when BP managed to get exceptions from the rules from the government that is a symptom of corporatism. Another example is when big defense contractors are awarded no bid contracts worth billions by paying huge fortunes to wannabee billionaires and wannabee big shots like the Bush family. They are corporatist from the word go. Now they are globalist corporatist. They do not need a single nationalist state to operate like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. Now they have taken their game on the road and threaten the entire world.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by Darkrunner

 

I would agree that lobbyist for big globe spanning corporations are a part of the problem. I think that another is the government created monopolies. These are the most obvious and the most dangerous.

For example when BP managed to get exceptions from the rules from the government that is a symptom of corporatism. Another example is when big defense contractors are awarded no bid contracts worth billions by paying huge fortunes to wannabee billionaires and wannabee big shots like the Bush family. They are corporatist from the word go. Now they are globalist corporatist. They do not need a single nationalist state to operate like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. Now they have taken their game on the road and threaten the entire world.

But it's not just lobbyists for corporations that are the problem. It's ALL lobbyists. This mentality of 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" has to go.

We're it up to me, there would be NO political donations from ANY special interest groups, left or right.

You put your position to the people, and what they decide, is what will be.

Star and flag for you my friend. I've been saying this for years!! It makes me sick when I hear people vehemently supporting either party which is controlled by corporations and other lobbying organizations. People who think the tea party isn't influenced by corporations or special interest groups are also turning a blind eye to where their support and money is coming from. People have to wake-up and demand a change to our system and the removal of corporate and special interest influences. Campaign money should be capped so every candidate is on a level playing field. False political ads should be illegal or reviewed by watchdog groups before they are televised. Politicians should be on term limits and their salaries based upon their performance and meeting balance budgets year after year. Candidates who want to run for an office should be voted upon by the voting public using the internet. Using the internet, candidate issue surveys should be completed by all eligible voters, to make sure voters understand the candidates stand on issues affecting them.

reply to post by WeRpeons


I agree with pretty much everything you stated but you must know that there is a strong anti-corporatism faction within the Tea Party and that is attracting the attention and funding from said corporatist. Corporatism is much like a cancer. It invades every other ism and every political movement and works from the inside. Just like the malignancy that it is. The corporatist have to be identified and routed from any movement with a strong anti-corporatist agenda or the corporatist malignancy will kill it.

Here is a speech given at a recent Tea Party confab that covers the basics on corporatism for the average non politically educated person to grasp.

Good thread.
The major issue with corporatism is that a monopoly is enforced with the absolute power of the government. Corporatists write laws and regulations to eliminate competition in the market, while bringing goods to market that can be potentially very harmful. There is little or no oversight because they ARE government.
They give business a bad name. Because they are able to purchase our government, they have none of the demands of ordinary businesses that have to be efficient to survive. They simply "outlaw" their smaller competitors.
Unless they are stopped, they will ruin our lives, and the lives of our children. The only answer is to stop buying their goods and defend your decision with your life.

This video is one of my favorite for educating people about the military arm of modern corporatism. This is presently being advanced and operated by the neo-conservatives which are nothing like free market capitalist and true fiscal conservatives which is what used to be what most Republicans self identified as.



This video is a few years old but it helps to balance the conversation in the thread to include that while the new deal was a form of corporatism in America, the modern neo-conservatives are the other side of that same coin. If you are for bailing out banks that got stung for selling bogus paper assets you are a corporatist. If you are for expanding the welfare state which just helps expand the huge medical industrial complex with tax payer money you are a corporatist. If you want more police and military budgets and a bigger security state then you are a corporatist.

You see every single ism that the corporatist press will aim a camera at and draw attention to is infected with this malignancy. A real and decent person who runs for office and has the knowledge a cajones to work against the corporatist agenda cant get a camera pointed at them and get air time if they are on fire. They only get a camera on them if it in some way helps the corp/gov keep them down or use them as a foil to suppress real change.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


" Corporate Society takes Care of Everyone " ..........Is Fiction Now Becoming Fact Today ? ......BEWARE ......


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Here is a good short page that explains the basic philosophy of corporatism and a short history of its adherents in the 19th century. Corporatism cheat sheet of sorts.

This gives the reader a quickly absorbed background on the subject of corporatism philosophy. It does not outline the dangers of where it will lead though. For that peek at the corporatist dystopian future you might want to refresh yourself with George Orwell 1984,or as Zanti Misfit above states remember Roller Ball.

I take it, OP, that your problem is with so-called fascist corporatists. The state is itself a corporation; a community group is a corporation; a nuclear family is a corporation. Your issue seems to be with the corporations that seek to unify their own governing structure with that of the State. This is fascism, if we refer to the central symbol of the Fasces; the binding together of many smaller powers to create a single greater power.

You act as if this were a bad thing. It is a natural thing. It is the essence of corporations. All corporations are unities of lesser powers into greater powers. A family unifies multiple individuals under one roof. A business unifies many workers under one employer. A State unifies many citizens under one government. It is only natural that corporations would unify with each other to become greater corporations, as with business mergers, family unions (marriage), or government amalgamations. It is the natural tendency of all corporations to work towards the creation of a universal, total union. When this occurs in politics, we traditionally use the term totalitarianism.

The problem you have with it, as I see it, is that this process disenfranchises the human individual at the lower levels of the corporation. The employer in a small business may merge his business interests with many other employers, but now he is but one member on a board of directors and his employees have little say in the affairs of the Board. The chairman of the Board may approve a merger with other corporations, but now he is but one voice on that board, and the board members that he is chair of have little say in its affairs, and the employees at the bottom have still less. Et cetera.

The way I see it, your problem is with big government. Big government is exceedingly efficient at co-ordinating resources, and it is the only way to co-ordinate resources at a global level. As we move into an increasingly global era, Big Government becomes increasingly necessary, and this means that lesser governments are being partially disenfranchised. With the European Union, the member states are no longer true sovereigns; the EU is the sovereign corporation of which they are a part. With the United States of America or the Federal Republic of Germany, the individual states are no longer true sovereigns; the Federal Republic is the sovereign corporation of which they are a part. At each ascending step in this hierarchy, the common people have less and less direct say.

I assume that I am correct in assessing your concern. You are worried that the union of Big Business into Big Government will increase the layers of bureaucratic hierarchy and that this will effectively lock the common man out of the highest levels of government.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


Mostly your assessment is accurate. The debasement of the creative nature of mankind is of paramount importance to me. The individual liberty and freedom we have worked so hard to achieve in the United States is being eroded constantly by the collectivist mechanics of the corp/gov oligarchy. What gave the United States its greatness was its triumph over British mercantilism. This elitism is highly repugnant to those who value their individual liberty. Creativity is bound to freedom and liberty at the hip. The destruction of liberty is the cause of our economic malaise at present. Huge corporatist interests are soaking up all of the financial resources of the planet and are providing the world zero % gain for the privilege.

The Republic was not designed to be a global empire. No type of globalist corporatist empire is of a benefit to the world. It is a parasite on the world and should be treated as such. Ever increasing bureaucracy layer upon layer can only slow the growth and expansion of the human race. We would have colonies on Mars by now if not for central planning profiteers sucking the life blood out of creativity.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Unfortunately Corporatism is a major fraudelent neocon "Philosphy". True it seeks to explain the problems of today but the explanation is purely superficial.

THe much maligned Marxists which were in power for only three years or so in Russia but whose writings are over 100 yearsold predicted the politcial and social framework over which the op is now seizing upon as "corporatism".

Sorry wikipaedia is not the "be all and end all" of dictionaries.

It is inevitable that capitalism would carry corporatism within it. Now as marx predicted we are in the phase of globalisation.

The OP needs to consider which political theory gave rise to Corporatism. It was not the left.

Now any attempt to counter corporatism using laws will be met by the tired neo con shrieks of "socialism".

reply to post by wayouttheredude


There is some issue I take with your depiction of the United States and its history.

The Constitution alloted a set number of electoral votes to each state, and allowed them to cast their votes for President in whichever manner they saw fit. Several states opted to cast their ballots according to the popular vote. Several states opted to have the legislature, not the popular vote, determine for whom they would cast their ballots. In the first election for president, there were only 69 electors. To this date, the People have not elected a President of the United States, except indirectly.

The Republic is a corporation of the People and the States. The lower house of Congress is popularly elected. The upper house, the Senate, is elected by the States in whichever way they see fit (note that Governors can appoint Senators to vacant seats). The high officer of the Republic is elected by the States, however they decide to cast their ballots.

The State legislatures are elected according to their own state constitutions, which they are free to amend in any way they please. They could well opt to exclude people from voting for representatives based on race, colour, sex, or any other factor. What prevents this from happening is the supremacy of the Constitution of the United States. This Constitution, championed by the popular members of the Congress, can overturn unjust laws in any of the states. This was the basis for the North's intervention in the South regarding the issue of slavery. Unjust laws, legitimate under the constitutions of the individual states, were overturned by the legislative action of the corporation of the United States of America.

I argue that the system of checks and balances that preserves individual liberty in the Republic is preserved by the existence of a higher corporate union between the individual states and the People of all of the states. This corporation can correct the unjust actions of one state or many states against their own People, and these States can collectively correct the unjust actions of the corporation that they comprise. The Big Government structure of the Republic is a self-correcting structure that promotes justice within itself; justice as defined by the Constitution.

A World Corporation, a global government, could emulate this structure on a grander scale and achieve much the same thing. We already possess a global Senate in the General Assembly of the United Nations. It can be amended, expanded to include a World Parliamentary Assembly to represent the People. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights is as good a charter of liberty and justice as any in the world. Wouldn't the state of justice in this world be improved by giving the United Nations the formal power to enforce this charter? Wouldn't the world benefit from a global Republic that acts as a check on the abuse of liberty by any and all of its members?

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap

I think what the discussion is about is corporatism and corruption. The two go hand in hand, you can't really have one without the other.
Corporatism is a derogatory term, perhaps first coined by John Perkins. He wrote, "The Secret History of the American Empire, and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
www.democracynow.org...

Without getting into a discussion about how government is supposed to work, let's talk about how it actually works. As these two books illustrate if you have read them, a few giant corporations can and will (with the aid of the military might of their host government(s)), go into sovereign countries and rape their resources. This has been going on for a pretty good while, in secret, and continues to this day with drastic results. Virtually millions of people killed, in the name of what? Equitable distribution of resources and the furtherance of human rights?
Give me a break.
It is called corporatism, and the beneficiary is the few CEO's at the top. Not you, nor I.

Corporatism is one of the greatest enemies of freedom that ever existed in history,and they used to be kept under strict control in the early years of the American Republic,and for very good reason!.

Socialism has never been allowed to exist in it's purest,most functional form.

True Socialism negates the need for big government,leaving only infrastructure maintenance and the preservation of the people's welfare within the responsibilities of government..

Corporations and government work hand in hand to suppress the people's ability to do for themselves in order to make the people dependent upon those same corporations and government.

It's called Fascism.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.