Depression is NOT a Real Disorder

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
reply to post by ReAlIzAtIoN

 

Ya I noticed that also, isnt it also interesting how many people walked by when them people were about to or ready to jump.. that tells you alot about humanity there..

I didnt like that video.. alot of things i can bring up about it.. how the family members were so cold, the people on the bridge not giving a crap.. like that one dude said.. them germans were asking him to take a pic while he was crying his eyes out for what he was about to do..

Screwed up.. what did he say?? Wrapped up in thier own little world?

It tell us NOTHING about "humanity" but only about the way some people have been, which actaully serves as an excellent contrast and teaching mechanism, about what NOT to do and how NOT to be.
God how I loathe the cynical attitude, which would take the worst part of us, or some of us, and then paint all humanity with the same brush. That style of thinking isn't the least bit helpful. Sorry I don't mean to take it out on you, but it makes me cry, not just how those Germans were for example, but those among us who would thing that that's the way the world is, that that's how "humanity" operates. It's a very dark, cynical and highly judgemental viewpoint, and it serves nothing and no purpose of any kind, other than to propogate those evils, at some level. Apathy in the face of it all just doesn't cut it. We have to be braver than that, and more optimistic by many orders of magnitude, even in the face of the worst of the worst of what goes on and the way SOME people behave.

Yeah i totally understand about the depression. Been suffering it for many year now. Taking anti-depressant pills (cymbalta, which is much better than my last ones of Lexapro). Anyways yeah diagnosed with Generalised anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder.

BTW, we had a "Beyond Blue" day in Australia not long ago and i was reading some pamphlets. Turns out that 1 in 7 Australians sufferer from anxiety and depression. With Australia's population of 21 million, thats 3 million people suffering from those conditions.

But yeah. Because i got put on this new medication and they have to take it slow to increase the dosage to find what dosage works for me, i was put on 30 mg first, then 60 after two weeks, and when i came back a month later and he asked me how i was going (first appointment of his morning), and I told the doc that "for anxiety, i feel these tablets are much, much better than my last, but for depression..." then started crying my guts out because i'd been having suicidal thoughts for the last week, and that previous night during nightshift (i'm a shift worker), were the worst. So up the dosage went, and i went to the psychologist a couple days later.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


If you want I can prove this case, however this is not the thread for it..
I will say that i meant what I said.. I have been around long enough and seen enough to know what I am talking about..
However, recent events have showed me there is still good in people but the majority are still as i stated.. I do not take it back.

On Topic:

Depression sucks...

reply to post by ThichHeaded

Well whatever those recent events were, may they continue, so that more and more evidence might begin stack up in favour of the notion that hope for something better is still a worthwhile pursuit or I'd just have to join you on that bridge.

I've seen evidence that a whole FIELD of love eminating and radiating all around is not only possible, but can be actualized, because it's so powerful relative to a complete vacuum of love, like a small candle in relation to a dark room.

People are ready for love and I say that love is on the rise!

back to depression now..

Don't get me wrong people, those who suffer, yes, may need medication.

I'm just wondering how we got into this mess and if there's a way out, and I think there actually is, and it will take some big time courage on our part, but it's DOABLE, that's what I've been discovering lately, that's it is not outside of the realm of possibility, and all it will take will be a bit of love and faith the size of a tiny seed.

Originally posted by Modern Americana
reply to post by Chinesis

 

Damn, man, way to be honest. Harsh... but honest.

It's not like I myself don't see the road I am taking. The problem with me is that I am self-aware, but I don't have the ability to get over things, or at least I think I don't.

I know EVERYTHING is controlled by MY brain, as far as I am concerned (from my perspective). Don't take that literally.

My world is controlled by my mind and how I perceive things. That is the case for everyone. I know this. I know that I alone have the power to change my life, but I just cant do it.

Why?

Because I know I want attention. I want attention. But don't we all?

Make the correlation...
Coddling someone enables them to continue being as they are.
I was coddled/sheltered...Look where that got me now...totally
unprepared for the world and life. When you're young you can say...

"but I didn't know any better, I was a child..."
What happens when you're 21, 25, 30, 40????
When is it time to take responsibility for YOUR part in what you've become?


People in general like to create obstacles.
What better way to get out of being held accountable than to invoke
a mental illness?

My father has ADHD...
Guess what?
When his boss tells him a project has a deadline guess what?
He hears every detail, every nuance of the meeting...
Does he hear his girlfriend "yap?"

No.
Why not?
(hint: it isn't ADHD)

The true fact of the matter is that my father has preconceived ideals and
these tell him:

-what is important (which needs to be remembered)
-what is trivial Bull# (which has a priority connection to the trash bin)

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
You shouldnt come into someone elses thread and trash it..
1) I made that thread to ask people a question, the actions were left up to me to share what i did.. take it for what it is, if you think I am fos feel free I dont care..
2) This thread is about something completely different than what you are talking about...
3) if you have an issue with something i stated, you either take it up with the mods or you talk to me via PM.

There is limitless wisdom beyond your comprehension since you trash bin most everything I've said.
I put a great deal of thought, time and effort to respond to you, to anyone in the same situation.
Why? I've been there and frankly I'm not there anymore. I chose to act responsibly
and to be held accountable for MY actions. -Something you've yet to do.

2nd, I'm well aware this thread is (a well justified) defense for clinically depressed people.
Situational depression on the other hand is entirely created by YOU, the one who perceives it.

The only issue I have:
Is with people in general who do NOT take responsibility for their actions.
You still haven't figured it out but YOU B-lame everyone else for your current situation except for
yourself...Don't you find it odd?

If I have an issue (which I do) I do not need mod intervention.
I'm equipped to handle this on my own.

Originally posted by ThichHeadedI can care less what people think of me, It is not me who judges thier lives what they are it is others and god who does..

My job was to only show people 1 part of a life that they didnt or never seen, if I am a liar to you meh, I should get grammy at least.. If it meant something to you fine, at least it did some good.. If it helps someone from not killing themselves then my job was done right.. OK?

I could care less what anyone thinks of me.
I'm on a path of enlightenment.
If there is a God, he will undoubtedly commend my efforts because I tell it like it is.
People respect honesty and one thing I can say with humility is that I don't lie.
There is no time for lying, not to people and definitely not to yourself.

You still don't understand.
*I* (and many other people like me) have already been down the road you're on.
Your original post was rather vague and didn't tell your story...the story I had asked
you about when I posed those many questions you intentionally overlooked because
you knew that had you dared answer them you'd have to face the truth, and take a hard...good
look in the mirror and face your problem: Yourself and your mind that has poisoned your point of view.


The fact is events in life can indeed be considered for some to be traumatic and life altering.
The problem is...is that you continue to hold onto that...bringing nothing to you, much less closure.


In the end...
YOU need to find out for yourself just how powerful you are
and how much value you actually are made of.
When you do you won't ever let these petty feelings of inadequacy take control over your life.
You must take control over your life.

It all begins with you admitting fault, not administering B-lame.

i don't have depression but i have delt with it. i was a EMT for many years. and had a large number of patents with depression.

I have fibromyalgia and understand what people with depression deal with. People not believing the disorder was real even doctors in the case of fibro.
I have even been on anti depressants(for pain control of fibro) and if people with depression have to deal with the side affects that i was having i understand even more.

I had severe prostate enlargement and mental fogginess to the point i was affraid to drive and that was with only 30mg of amitriptyline a day then they tried Prozac and it was not any better. plus nether did anything for the fibro pain.
the doctors lied a lot to and that did not help. i started the Amitriptyline and after the first 3 months the side affects had started and i was getting no pain relief and the doctors told me i need to keep taking it and it would work.
after 6 month the side affects were getting bad but the doctor still wanted me to keep taking the amitriptyline and still claimed it would work for the pain if i kept taking it.
I quit taking it.
Then they tried the Prozac after 1 month the side affect were even worse then the Amitriptyline. I quit it right then.

That was when i did my own research and t tried some gabapentin left over from my mother who took it for neuropathy before she passed away from here diabetes it worked and told the doctor that i wanted Gabapentin for the fibro
I worked from day one to control the pain with no side affects and i have been on it ever since.
since then i have even run into a few people with depression that take gabapentin for depression.

Antidepressants are not the end all be all for a few people that have depression but can not take anti depression.
this was found by a few fibromyalgia doctors when there fibro patents told them that there depression got a lot better with gabapentin.(i looked up the research)
This is not for everyone with depression and may not work for all but it may help some that can not tolerate antidepressants. it also works as a "helper" for some when taken with there antidepressants.

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by PETROLCOIN

 

S&F for a very brave post!
I'm so tired of being attacked by self-styled "life-style gurus" and "pop-nutritionists".
Bring up even physical disease like gout or HIV on ATS, and there comes the lifestyle brigade.
You eat too much, you don't eat what they ate when some malady disappeared, you must take this or that herb, or maybe nothing but prayer.
It makes me so sick.
As soon as science is set aside they begin to moralize:
"You have a bad diet, or you have sin and demons of sickness in your life"!

None of them even know what they are talking about.
And people pump billions of dollars into that unproven fraud industry, where claiming something makes it true.
And then they moan about "big pharma" (as if big and people's pharma have never been at war).
These people are cult-like and dangerous, and their anti-science ideas will lead us back to medieval times.
To them even a bad thought leads to a serious malady like cancer.

Write your congressman to get tough new laws to control the medical fraud industry out there.
The FDA does little to control the problem even though its there jurisdiction and the reason there agency was formed.

There are 1000s of fibromyalgia cure sites out there that are raking in billions in "cures" that never work.
the internet is full of them to the point that its getting hard to find real medical research finding from real medical doctors that still have a medical license(a lot of doctors that lose there medical license for malpratice go into the quack medical cures field. so before trying any of these cures check the doctors field and license on the internet.
you might find your are using a treatment of not a medical doctor but a electrical engineer a veterinarian or some other non medical PHD.
Treatments like the Marshall Protocol for fibromyalgia and sarcoidosis(i also have sarcoidosis)
The problem is Dr. Trevor Marshall is not even a medical doctor.
He holds a doctorate(PhD) degree in electrical engineering not in any medical field.
He has no formal medical training.
en.wikipedia.org...

As for the lay person that keep pushing there cures for any disease my fun is just to tell them i already tried it and change the subject.
A few have become so annoying that i have told them to bug off.
The funny part the husband of one of these thanked me later for telling his busybody wife off about her BS.
No one else ever had told her off and over the years she had got worse at annoying people with her medical BS.
She had even bugged her husband to no end with her BS medical advice about his health problems.

Thx for the link Petro I read it all and sympathize with you. I somewhat agree with that statement about the differences. Panic attacks are quite other worldly aren't they? You can feel yourself phasing out of reality. I havent had one like that in prolly 20 years but yes its a feeling you never quite forget and your right people have to experience that to appreciate it.

What I find odd is people like yourself who just up and start having them one day. Curious....what age are you? Smoker? Drinker? Any changes in your life that coincide with this? Wasnt for me. Just happened one day out the blue as I was walking home from school when I was 12 and BAM I froze and it hit me. I went home and told my parents I thought I had had a heart attack and they took me to the doc where I was explained the concept of "fight or flight" and how it misfires.

Depression is a joke and scam. If you're unhappy it's because you aren't an optimist, you need some spirituality. If I wasn't an optimist I would be depressed, and often times I get caught up in things and have to remind myself to be optimistic. Even a dirty look someone gave me can throw me out of the loop. I think that if I were less intelligent I'd probably be on anti-depressants. The difference is I know how to live with it. Never in a million years would I substitute my reality for a painkiller. Depression is there much like pain, to know when somethings wrong. If it hurts all over, then it's your outlook. Anyone who thinks about the negatives is going to get depressed, I mean ANYONE. It's not a disorder it's the human condition.