Depression is NOT a Real Disorder

reply to post by ThichHeaded


I understand your pain and frustrations. I also think that a lot in the world is dark, but I also believe that a lot in the world is good as well. I think there is a balance, if you will. I also understand that we perceive the world upon our experiences and what we have grown up with.

You've mentioned that you are have the desire to be loved unconditionally. So, lets say you do find this positive force in your life, do you think your perceptions and views will change? Would these depressing thoughts all of a sudden change into positive thinking?

reply to post by ReAlIzAtIoN


I will take the liberty to answer that question since him and I are going through the same situation, it seems like.

Yes. If I found someone that loved me unconditionally as I loved her, then I would be completely happy. I would no longer be depressed. All I need to be happy is someone to love and to love me back, to be a best friend and a worthy ally. To challenge me and to support me as I would in turn.

I am only half of the puzzle and I am scrambling to find the remaining pieces. That special someone is a very big piece.

Sorry to jack your question, ThichHeaded

reply to post by ReAlIzAtIoN


I don't know.. growing up in a situation where there was no love or caring.. I thought I found it but it turned out to be something else.

If i actually found it.. I don't know.. I probably wouldn't trust it at 1st because I do not know what it feels like.. I am sceptical of everyone.. I have been burned to many times.. I probably will not get close to anyone.. This is why I don't think a therapist is good for me, I cant trust anyone as it is how can I trust someone i see 1 time a week for an hr.. there isn't much to go on and learn who they are..

Someone says I should stop being a pussy and kill myself.. I agree i am being one.. But on the basis of what i know of when we die is stopping me from currently doing it.. if i can find a fool proof why of getting around what can happen after someone suicides then i will probably try.. for now I am basically screwed cause in a suicide things do not look good for them as far as I see it when they die..

So i sit here and torture myself to the point i wont be able to take it.. probably then i think it wont even matter what i know.. it will just be whatever happens later.. You know?

For the record I do not fear death i can walk in the middle of a gun fight and be like what up..
The fear i have is what happens if I suicide.. suicides are a tad different than getting shot in a holdup or a car wreck or something..

reply to post by Modern Americana


We seem to be jacking alot of things tonight.. eh? Thanks for some insight.. I hate being the only one on the spot..

Great thread! Depression is a bit*ch! I have suffered from depression/anxiety/OCD/ADD for most of my life. I was officially diagnosed in 1995 with dysthymic disorder, or "terminal blues." This is known as double depression. Full time mild depression compounded with episodes of major depression. From '95 to 2006 I was put on a myriad of anti-depressants and amphetamines for ADD. At first this approach worked great. After awhile however, the drugs lost their efficacy and the dosage was either increased or another one added. I went through a slue of cocktails which included about ten different anti-depressants over the years. I've taken SSRI's, SNRI's, SSNRI's, and a few different dopamine-reuptake blocking compounds in addition to stimulants such as ritalin, dexedrine, and adderall.

My cessasation from these chemicals and subsequent recovery from my illnesses occured in 2006. I was on my way home one night after getting gas and was so fed up with my current mental state I decided enough was enough and decided to snuff it. I proceeded to run my wifes car head on into a lamp with a concrete barrier around it located in a bank parking lot at about fifty to sixty miles per hour. The only thing I remember was the stink from the airbag and the ambulance showing up. They took me to the hospital and was released the same night with minor cuts and bruises! The car was completely totaled with the firewall almost sitting in my lap. I was extremely "lucky" to be alive. I should not fail to mention I was taking 50mg of Cymbalta, 20mg of Lexapro, and 60 mg of adderall when this incident occurred.

Needless to say my wife was horrified. She was also pregnant with our first child at the time. I figured this happened for a reason, (I know that sounds cornball and trite and I apologize.) and made a conscious decision to dc the meds SLOWLY, and find an alternative. I did some research and decided to go with supplements. I have no vendetta against drug companies or pharmaceutical drugs and if they work to alleviate the god-awful disease of depression for some people then so be it! For me, the supplement regimen I have been on for the past four years seems to have been my saving grace, that, and of course my loving and supportive wife.

In summation, I would like to say to people with mental disorders is to never give up! I know how hard it is, believe you me! Today, I am still married with two beautifull childern and a loving wife. I still suffer from depression from time to time as I believe it will never fully go away, but at least now it is managable and I'm still alive!

Originally posted by destro423
But do you people know whats REALLY scary? A "depression attack".

I've had one. I posted about it here back on page 8.

I had an anxiety attack, panic attack, and depression attack, all at once.

Many people don't know this, but anxiety attacks and panic attacks actually have different meanings. I see people use them as synonymous terms, but although they are similar, they are not the same.

Anxiety attacks are the result of a stressful situation. They can be triggered by being upset, angry, or stressed out about something. They appear in the form of a strong anxious feeling.

Panic attacks are the result of a worry about your body. Hypochondriacs typically have panic attacks. They can be triggered by assuming you are having heart attack or a stroke - some sort of threatening health issue.

It truly does suck having all three of these attacks at once. It's the worst thing I've experienced in my life.

Layman's Dictionary
disorder - if something is outta wack, it's a DISORDER.

Okay, we don't have to discuss that anymore.

Now this is for all with a disorder outlined in this thread-

I am in no way trying to peeve anybody off but do hear me out. I will tell you a true story as only I can tell it.

There once was a young gentleman at the prime age of 27 who was a devoted and confirmed bachelor. He walked into this watering hole in some rinky dink town in Louisiana and behold what was sitting at the bar? A Redhead. This man of men has never even been attracted to redheads but this redhead was different. Was it the green eyes? Possibly, but she's still a redhead. She was older than him by a few years and she was a cougar. Definitely a cougar! And this 'work hard all day and party all night' womanizer of a gentleman, did always like older women. He politely introduced himself and offers her a drink which also isn't really his primary method of operation on meeting women due to it being just too generic for him. Well four months later and a four-pak of wine coolers and a six-pak of beer, they were in Texarkana, at the courthouse, getting married. You see, in Arkansas, you don't have to have a blood test and then wait for the results to get married. Go figure.
This was this man's first marriage and this redhead's fourth. This didn't bother him for he believed that this only made her stronger as a person. She also had two kids, a girl,9 and a son who was 16. This also was great for he never wanted any kids of his own for fear of the 'Wrath of God' that would be bestowed upon him for everything he put his parents thru.
Not a bad relationship huh?
Okay all you disorderlies, I'll cut to the chase. You see this woman had a complete hysterectomy after her son was born(her daughter was adopted) and being a headstrong redhead, refused to go to the doctor to keep up on her hormone pills, which with this kind of operation she is lacking. She did take a weekly pill of which it was never found out about how she acquired them. This caused some major problems in their relationship-constant argueing. He did a bit of research on this deliemma and found that hormones (chemicals) will cause an un-warranted thought process to occur which he was usaully the brunt of. Simple solution- make sure she keeps up on her hormone therapy. Not that easy. You see when she has this disorder, 1+1 is equal to 3. No ifs, ands or buts about it. 1+1=3! If you showed her a apple in one hand and an apple in the other and asked her how many apples are there, the answer is three. Pure and simple. If you asked her to count, she was able to,1, 2, 3.... then if you ask her what numbers would equal two, she would get her panties all in a bunch and let loose on him for thinking she was stupid or something.

Okay all you disordered people, do you see what I was getting at? You all are saying that we 'orderly' types just don't understand. You know what? You're right, we're wrong. 1+1 does equal 3.

And for all that were reading this just out of boredom and want to know what happened to this studly,man amoungst men, womanizing gentleman, She ended up shooting him in the head, really it was just a real neat corn row right above his left ear which he now is about 80% deaf and has a constant loud ringing in that ear. They got a divorce and being the gentleman that he is, gave her everything, the bank account, his truck, all his clothes and the whole state of Oklahoma where the last part of their relationship resided. You see, they tried that 'Change' cure-all therapy too but they never changed their way of thinking.

Originally posted by Yamhead
Chamomile tea really helps me alot when I feel the onset of anxiety which helps me reduce my dependence on medication. Has anyone here tried it?

How DARE you suggest any natural remedies.. or try to be helpful! ...

reply to post by PETROLCOIN


I have never had them all at the same time. I have the ability to close my mind to one thing at a time, which is a bittersweet thing.

Remember that situation I told you about where my personal information was posted on 4chan in an attempt to form a mass army to harrass me? Yeah, biggest anxiety attack in my entire life. If it weren't for one certain person that decided to be my only ally (though we were complete strangers up to that point), I would have probably done something stupid.

Needless to say that person is one of my closest friends now.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Some people dont know the low points in life, they do not feel the pain some feel. they can not comprehend the thoughts we have..

Some, not all.
I for one completely understand, however *I* am living proof that mind over matter actually does matter.
I refuse to let other things in life get the best of me so that I can make excuses all day long
as to why the entire world doesn't "get me." You seem to suffer from situational depression
caused by events that occurred throughout your lifetime.

Originally posted by ThichHeadedOur problems are because we see them that way? no we choose not to bitch about life.. we are forced into a situation to find a way out.. sometimes on our own for we are poor and have no money for big money scrinks..

Look, man I speak nothing but truth here.
YOU need to get over what happened with your father.
YOU need to forgive him for what he has done.
No matter what the situation life throws at you..
YOU have a choice what to do NOW even if you did not then.
YOU need to get over the fact he wasn't a good father for you/sister.

Originally posted by ThichHeadedSo we face life day to day week to week and deal with everything..
We try our best and sometimes we fail and some of us suicide..

Sometimes suicide is alot better than living in the hell that is around us..

This is bull# and you know it man.
There is no trying your best...You either succeed or you fail.
There is no trying. "Trying" is a word that is used by people who love to lay the groundwork
for failure, don't ever forget that.

No matter what your perception is look at the facts...
You say you've been through a lot yet you are on a public forum and even made a thread
to discuss your Suicidal thoughts?
You are looking for attention, which is fine but to what end?
To satisfy an out of control ego?
Or to get better, and challenge yourself to be a better man?

Originally posted by ThichHeadedNot everything is a bed of roses for some people.. we are truely screwed for life.. WE are what makes and breaks normies..

Reality check dude.
Most all of us were dealt with a #ty hand.
My father beat me religiously.
I was bullied throughout every grade of school.
I was fat, ugly and full of acne, didn't have a single talent, was horribly clumsy...
My mother didn't want me and in fact dropped me down due to PPD.
My father reminded me of how I was an abortion gone wrong and how I "shouldn't have been born."

I witnessed 2 of my best friends get murdered in front of me at age 12.
I, I, I .....See what this does??? it's all about ME ME ME.


You aren't screwed for life.
You neglected my challenge to sit down and talk with me and it's because:

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HAPPY.....

You keep saying how people don't get you, how they just don't understand
YET you have no idea how pompously arrogant you sound as you shoot other people
down without knowing first hand what they've been through yet you're on some special
platform and a much higher horse to qualify that opinion as some sort of fact?



I'm not buying it.


*You either WANT help and WANT to live?
*You honestly want to die?
*OR...You just want attention?

The path of least resistance is the path of a selfish fool.

2 out of those three fit the bill.

Originally posted by Modern Americana
I have never had them all at the same time.

Have you had them all at some point?

I would say anxiety attacks are the weaker and more tolerable of the three. By no means are they pleasant, but they are manageable.

It's really a toss up which I hate more, panic or depression attacks.

On one hand, panic attacks are horrible because they have physical symptoms: rapid and difficulty breathing, rapid heart rate, dizziness, hyperventilation, muscle spasms and cramps...

But on the other hand, depression attacks are horrible because they have psychological symptoms: racing thoughts, suicidal ideations, impulsive desires to do something stupid...

I don't know. All I know is having all three at the same time blows.

The end.

reply to post by Chinesis


Damn, man, way to be honest. Harsh... but honest.

It's not like I myself don't see the road I am taking. The problem with me is that I am self-aware, but I don't have the ability to get over things, or at least I think I don't.

I know EVERYTHING is controlled by MY brain, as far as I am concerned (from my perspective). Don't take that literally.

My world is controlled by my mind and how I perceive things. That is the case for everyone. I know this. I know that I alone have the power to change my life, but I just cant do it.

Why?

Because I know I want attention. I want attention. But don't we all?

reply to post by PETROLCOIN


I had depression attacks and anxiety attacks at the same time, that happens all the time. Panic attacks are on an island of their own, though.

reply to post by Chinesis


You shouldnt come into someone elses thread and trash it..
1) I made that thread to ask people a question, the actions were left up to me to share what i did.. take it for what it is, if you think I am fos feel free I dont care..
2) This thread is about something completely different than what you are talking about...
3) if you have an issue with something i stated, you either take it up with the mods or you talk to me via PM.

These are not to hard to follow..

I can care less what people think of me, It is not me who judges thier lives what they are it is others and god who does..

My job was to only show people 1 part of a life that they didnt or never seen, if I am a liar to you meh, I should get grammy at least.. If it meant something to you fine, at least it did some good.. If it helps someone from not killing themselves then my job was done right..

OK?

I think though people with suicidal thoughts do not want to kill themselves. If someone was just willing to listen and understand their pain, maybe it can make that person feel just a bit better. I've just finished watching the documentary, "The Bridge," and what did strike me was that most of those people who decided to jump did in plain daylight. It was as if they wanted somebody to stop them from jumping. They needed someone to speak to, someone who would care for them for that brief moment.

My wife suffered from Depression, Borderline Syndrome, Panic Attacks, Spectrum Bi-Polar Disorder.

I can for a fact tell you that everybody in here thinking "If I found somebody who loves me I would be better" is pure balony. I love my wife deeply and we go through hell sometimes. Mostly over things that are not significant, but because of one disorder or another listed above they are blown out of perportion.

I have never suffered from Depression or any other mental disorder that I am aware of. I do deal with it daily, and to compound the situation, my wife is a stay at home mom with a 20 month old child driving her crazy, (her choice) but that choice is also a heavy hitter when it comes to confrontation.

Please stop thinking "if you had somebody to love and loves you it will be like a fairy tale" that is pure balony. If you have a serious disorder, and you find somebody who does love you, you will constantly tell them they dont understand, but you NEED to understand they are dealing with a difficult personality and love you. They are living a life trying to help another constantly, and to top it off dont get much in the appriciation side of the house from the one they love. It is a vicious circle and most cant cope, but the ones who do if you are depressed and find somebody who sticks to you like glue, at least thank them and love them, because as much as your life is hard, they dont have to deal with you, but choose to and love you for who you are.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Honestly what we really need in life, are therapists like this.
Behold, the only good therapist on Earth.

Or one like the one that cured my best Friend`s fear . . . like this:

She went to see a psychiatrist because every time she went to bed she though there was somebody under it...she was scared & thought she was going crazy.

"Just put yourself in my hands for one year", said the shrink.
"Come talk to me three times a week, and we should be able to get rid of those fears."

"How much do you charge?", she asked.

"Eighty dollars a visit", replied the doctor.

"I'll sleep on it", she said.

Six months later she met the doctor in the street.

"Why didn't you ever come to see me about those fears you were having?", he asked.

"Well, eighty bucks a visit, three times a week for a year, is an awful lot of money!
My hairdresser cured me for $10.
I was so happy to have saved all that money that I went and bought me a new car!"

"Is that so! And how, may I ask, did a hairdresser cure you?"

"She told me to cut the legs off the bed!...ain't nobody under there now ! ! ! "

reply to post by ReAlIzAtIoN


Ya I noticed that also, isnt it also interesting how many people walked by when them people were about to or ready to jump.. that tells you alot about humanity there..

I didnt like that video.. alot of things i can bring up about it.. how the family members were so cold, the people on the bridge not giving a crap.. like that one dude said.. them germans were asking him to take a pic while he was crying his eyes out for what he was about to do..

Screwed up.. what did he say?? Wrapped up in thier own little world?

What I'm interested in trying to determine (and please don't blast me for this) are the causal mechanisms and the complex of factors which are creating all this depression..

Could it have anything to do with the crappy qualify of human relationships we have, including and perhaps most especially those within our own families, the lack of nutrition we get shopping at the supermarket, the lack of excercise and physical human kinetics (body movement) available to us due to lack of time and energy trying to hold things together and keep up with the Jones'? Could it be all the lies we're fed by those charged with the responsibility to honor and serve what is in their constituents mutual best interests, and the bull# mainstream media circus and the cacaphony of modern "civilization", and might it have something to do with a faulty newtonian materialist monist worldview within which we are nothing of any significance, separate from the world, from one another, and from our own minds?

And finally, is there anything at all that could be done to improve our lot, both individually and collectively?

Or ought we all just line up at the doctors office for a prescription for meds, is that the way to go?

We are all responsible for one another, and we are our brothers' and sisters' keepers whether we like it or not, that's the truth and the reality,so me I'd like to do whatever I can, however big or small to effect some needed change for the better, but first we need to find the causal mechanisms and the complex of factors involved, and these need to some extent be things we can all agree upon, in order to set to work making the needed changes in our entire human infrastructure, at all levels, starting with an abject failure in love.

For the record I've been hospitalized in the past for depression, and know about it, about the loss of the will, and the anxiety and panic attacks.

Do you all really suffer from this?
I am 10 years in now.

I could share my story, but its been shared.
its a very cold. unwelcoming place that leaves you very lonely.
When you tell people. they look at you wih pity, i dont want pity.
I just want to stop feeling like this.


Mad thread

Originally posted by shauny
Do you all really suffer from this?
I am 10 years in now.

I do. This all began in mid-May of this year for me, so it is fairly new. But it certainly doesn't feel that way. It feels as if I have been trapped in this state of mind forever. It's like this is all I've ever known. I know deep down that's not true, but that's how it feels. It's hard to explain. I'm sure you get where I'm coming from though.