Hundreds of UFOs hover in our sky, and we can see them?

Originally posted by zorgon


But if they are of the spirit world, then claims made of summoning them would also be possible, would it not?

There is a lot more out there than just claims made of summoning these entities, there are even books written about it! This is serious, it's not a joke. People like Aleister Crowley have written actual step-by-step books on how to conjure these beings. This goes so deep I don't even know where to start lol, there is so much information regarding this.

You know the so-called Star of David on the Israeli flag? That is the Seal of Solomon. It is a magickal sigil. There are even 72 specific demons listed in the book of the Goetia, and how to summon them, each having their own sigil and phrases to chant. That is what this whole entire global conspiracy is about, these spiritual beings are literally the force behind the New World Order, the dictatorial world government prison planet that they have envisioned.

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by zorgon


But if they are of the spirit world, then claims made of summoning them would also be possible, would it not?

There is a lot more out there than just claims made of summoning these entities, there are even books written about it! This is serious, it's not a joke. People like Aleister Crowley have written actual step-by-step books on how to conjure these beings. This goes so deep I don't even know where to start lol, there is so much information regarding this.

You know the so-called Star of David on the Israeli flag? That is the Seal of Solomon. It is a magickal sigil. There are even 72 specific demons listed in the book of the Goetia, and how to summon them, each having their own sigil and phrases to chant. That is what this whole entire global conspiracy is about, these spiritual beings are literally the force behind the New World Order, the dictatorial world government prison planet that they have envisioned.

i tend to agree because the plan to put the NWO in place is something crawling for more than a hundred year, and it doesnt seem plausible to me that only earthlings could elaborate such plan and stick to it from father to son. But its just my opinion of course.

EDIT: for people interested in this demonic stuff i suggest you watch this serie of videos showing in great details that the music industry just became a satanist herd. xD
The Industry serie

Originally posted by Fedge

i tend to agree because the plan to put the NWO in place is something crawling for more than a hundred year, and it doesnt seem plausible to me that only earthlings could elaborate such plan and stick to it from father to son. But its just my opinion of course.

Exactly! I remember a few years ago I would wonder, "What does David Rockefeller care if they get this world government or not? The guy is gonna be dead any day now!"

It's because these spiritual beings are immortal, they are the same force that has been driving the conspiracy this whole time... they simply use certain humans as vessells when appropriate.

Edit: Just noticed you added "The Industry" series. It definitely connects into all of this. If all of this hidden knowledge about conspiracies and everything else that we are trying to find out the truth about were some sort of "class," then I think the entertainment industry aspect of the conspiracy would be part of the advanced class. People need to make sure they have taken Intro to Conspiracy before they try to understand the entertainment industry side of this, because it is deep.

Originally posted by Diplomat

There is a lot more out there than just claims made of summoning these entities, there are even books written about it! This is serious, it's not a joke. People like Aleister Crowley have written actual step-by-step books on how to conjure these beings. This goes so deep I don't even know where to start lol, there is so much information regarding this.

You know the so-called Star of David on the Israeli flag? That is the Seal of Solomon. It is a magickal sigil. There are even 72 specific demons listed in the book of the Goetia, and how to summon them, each having their own sigil and phrases to chant. That is what this whole entire global conspiracy is about, these spiritual beings are literally the force behind the New World Order, the dictatorial world government prison planet that they have envisioned.

I am familiar with Goetia and have a copy. I am also familiar with the work of Crowley. I am sure that no one here need to be told what the occult is.

However I would not necessarily agree with the simplification that occultist=liaison with evil entities=NWO. It is not that simple.

Consider first the demons and angels of the different planes. They exist irrespective of what we or our leaders want. Hence if some black magician choses to use these entities and gains an edge, it is only because of the stupid reasoning that a good-intentioned individual should not dabble.

Given that the Seals and Sigils are powerful, why should they not be use for good as well. It dawned on me a long time go that only way to fight NWO was through the occult. At the moment it is mostly the bad guys that use it.

Originally posted by crowdedskies

I am familiar with Goetia and have a copy. I am also familiar with the work of Crowley. I am sure that no one here need to be told what the occult is.

However I would not necessarily agree with the simplification that occultist=liaison with evil entities=NWO. It is not that simple.

Consider first the demons and angels of the different planes. They exist irrespective of what we or our leaders want. Hence if some black magician choses to use these entities and gains an edge, it is only because of the stupid reasoning that a good-intentioned individual should not dabble.

Given that the Seals and Sigils are powerful, why should they not be use for good as well. It dawned on me a long time go that only way to fight NWO was through through occult.

You're right, it's not as simple as occult = evil = nwo, but it all ties in. Don't forget about possession, people aren't only just seeking knowledge and making deals with these entities, some are literally being possessed. There is a video of George Bush Sr. where I do have to admit after seeing it so many times now does look like his eyes are doing something weird, turning almost reptile-like. He was a Skull 'n Bones guy and who knows what else secretly.

Originally posted by Diplomat

You're right, it's not as simple as occult = evil = nwo, but it all ties in. Don't forget about possession, people aren't only just seeking knowledge and making deals with these entities, some are literally being possessed. There is a video of George Bush Sr. where I do have to admit after seeing it so many times now does look like his eyes are doing something weird, turning almost reptile-like. He was a Skull 'n Bones guy and who knows what else secretly.

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That is what you get when obsessed with power. What I really want to see is discord amongst the elite coupled with a new awareness by people of the immense resources available to us in the form of Esoteric science - big enough to make all the money of the international bankers futile.

Some may say I am erring to the dark side . Actually all I am suggesting is to use the weapons of the elite against them.

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i agree based simply on a logic thinking, esotherism is considered "bull#" by the brainwashed people, there is a reason. ^^

Thats why the NWO seems to be the only one using this stuff. However i personnaly dont feel ready to manipulate this kind of stuff myself. :s

Yup, you guys are right, the occult has purposefully been kept from the public, the word even basically means hidden. That is why we had all of the "witchhunts" and bookburning and stuff like that in history. They have an occult monopoly going on.

But the thing that irks me, is that the Bible, and I think the Koran (not totally sure about that one), claim that dabbling in the occult is a serious offense against God, our creator. Now, like I said earlier, I have no way of even knowing that the bible is real(true), but what if it is? It seems to have gotten some things right.

Even regardless of the bible, something about messing with the spirit world really does genuinely feel wrong to me for some reason, maybe it's because of all the propaganda and conditioning done by the occultists who keep it under wraps, but maybe it's really because it IS wrong. Who knows, but maybe we are physical and in 3D for a reason, and we weren't meant to be contacting other realms/dimensions, at least not yet...

One consideration about the multiple new craft identification could possibly be caused by our own ability to now see them. They may not be cloaked at all, just now only visible to our eyes, given the appearance of being partially cloaked. Considering energy fields around as well as within the planet are still speeding up, along with us on it. It would make sense that we would be able to see these new visible fields as we travel into higher frequencies. The UFO's could have always been in those locations but maybe we passed some sort of energy thresh hold that now allows us to perceive differently.

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did you know books have been taken out of the bible?

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i feel that getting involved with the occult is a form of cheating, considering that we are in this 3D physical world by our own decision. But again, the problem with all this is we(the CT) know what s false but not what s true. :/

Originally posted by strawberry91
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did you know books have been taken out of the bible?

Yes, I know about a whole lot of things that have been done to/ommitted from the Bible, and that is a main reason why I have no conclusive stance on the Bible... I just try to go where my research takes me.

Originally posted by Fedge
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i feel that getting involved with the occult is a form of cheating, considering that we are in this 3D physical world by our own decision. But again, the problem with all this is we(the CT) know what s false but not what s true. :/

Exactly, that is a great way to put it, that's how I feel about it.

It's cheating!

All of these big music industry stars aren't always just being metaphorical when they talk about how they 'sold their souls' for fame and riches.

In Roger Morneau's testimony he says that he saw a lawyer's office filled with typewriters all typing away by themselves... by the spirits... the lawyer was simply cheating to get ahead...

omg they're coming to eat my brain, they're gonna do experiments on me and turn me into a zombie to feast on the living. Hi, just thinking of the worst case scenario, it's a mental experiment, just ignore my rantings, I'm doing this mostly for myself.

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I was just saying it is clear the Bible has been altered. Maybe they altered it to say that dealing with the occult was evil? It would explain a lot honestly.

Also maybe they reworded the great deception in the bible on purpose so we would all think ufos were demons to push us further away from the truth?

Originally posted by strawberry91
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I was just saying it is clear the Bible has been altered. Maybe they altered it to say that dealing with the occult was evil? It would explain a lot honestly.

Also maybe they reworded the great deception in the bible on purpose so we would all think ufos were demons to push us further away from the truth?

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I don't think the Bible describes the actual deception, does it? I'm not a Bible pro or anything so I'm not sure. My knowledge of a so-called false flag alien event comes mostly from people's testimonies, those who were in secret societies or the Illuminati, and also Carol Rosin, I think her name was, Werner Von Braun's assistant. She said he warned her of the final phase, which would be the extraterrestrial card. Who knows, maybe she was lying, but most of the secret society people are saying the same thing: that humans have been slowly conditioned to the idea of aliens coming here, along with the actual spirits masquerading as spaceships in the skies, along with actual black-ops vehicles in the skies, so that one day they can attempt the ultimate deception. Either a false flag attack, or false flag peaceful landing of a new "messiah," which some would call the Anti-Christ. Either way, the end result they want is the dictatorial world government. They will try to get it by fear of attack, or by peaceful deception from some fake advanced alien race, who has come to show us the light and let us know how they all have implanted microchips on their planet, and that it works great, etc, etc, etc...

Originally posted by Fedge
reply to post by crowdedskies

 

i agree based simply on a logic thinking, esotherism is considered "bull#" by the brainwashed people, there is a reason. ^^

Thats why the NWO seems to be the only one using this stuff. However i personnaly dont feel ready to manipulate this kind of stuff myself. :s

Consider that the first step is Discrimination. It is the ability to discriminate between the Bull from the Truth. Already most members of ATS have passed this test. The road ahead is not so difficult.

NWO made its humble beginnings by having a few international bankers being one step ahead of the rest. By the time the rest got to understand it all, it was too late. Nowadays the whole money circulation is based on a few concepts of physics which is beyond the understanding of most people. I am referring in particular to derivatives which are worth trillions and growing into an enormous bubble. But the populace are content to live their brain-washed lives on facebook and in front of reality TV rather than understand the functioning of the world around them.

Even before using occult forces to restore the balance , we could start by understanding the workings of the economy and even aspire to work at the level of the elite. I have no doubt in my mind that NWO has been severely delayed due to members disagreeing with each other and by having obstacles put in their way by those who saw through them.

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I agree that the NWO has stalled, but we are still definitely running out of time. Some days I feel like lots of people are waking up, but then on other days I feel like barely anyone is waking up.

There might be some sort of a big culmination of events coming up here soon. I think that even if there isn't anything to the whole 2012 theory, the powers that be will MAKE IT real. How I'm not sure, but they have HAARP technology, spaceships, anything we can probably think of, so who knows. Remember how these people think, I think it was David Rockefeller who said something like "All we need is the right disaster and the nations will accept the New World Order."

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In the koran I think it mentions something called nephillim which many people say are what the ufos are, We all know the bible says the occult is bad (or something like that).

Im just saying if these secret societies were controlled by immortal powerful spirits then is it possible in a previous incarnation long ago they all got together and altered the bible so that we would fear the occult and anything mysterious in hopes that we would never find out the truth?

I should probably not say they just altered the bible, what I mean it is possible they altered the major religions texts to control the people. What better way to control than religion?

Originally posted by strawberry91
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In the koran I think it mentions something called nephillim which many people say are what the ufos are, We all know the bible says the occult is bad (or something like that).

Im just saying if these secret societies were controlled by immortal powerful spirits then is it possible in a previous incarnation long ago they all got together and altered the bible so that we would fear the occult and anything mysterious in hopes that we would never find out the truth?

I think the nephilim are actually mentioned in the Bible, but maybe it's both.

And yes, I would suspect that what you're talking about in the second paragraph is totally possible.

One thing to think about though: Every single testimony I find, of an ex-satanist, ex-vampire, ex-witch, ex-occultist, ex-spirit worshipper, etc, ALL turn to Jesus Christ. I am in no way saying this is some sort of proof of anything, but why is that? Is it really just a coincidence? Are they all hoaxers? They all seem pretty genuine and serious to me. And these aren't just average Joe's off the street, these are people who experience spirit worship and the occult firsthand, so why always end up with Jesus when they break away from it?