Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

The poppy plant IS NATUAL which you get heroin and morphine from. So is the coccoa leaf which you get coc aine from. You can chew on a coccoa leaf get the drugs NATURAL effect and it's not all that addicting. It's the manufacturing of the drug to get the most effect which, COLUMBIAN drug cartels, BIG PHARMA, and at home meth and crack cookers have down to a science... What would you do if the only plant you could grow was a poppy plant and if you didn't grow it you don't feed your family and YOU DIE.
You know where crack comes from? Powdered cocain, it doesn't come from columbia as crack. the street guys cook it up as crack making the drug EVEN more habit forming.
I love a good poppy seed bun want to know why at most big burger chains they sell those poppy seed buns?

How dare you take away a mans poppy field which is all he has to survive on!

The CIA knows this and thats why the crops arn't burnt in afghanistan...
For the government it's the ultimate off-the-grid cash crop.

Heroin if by FAR more dangerous to society and Dr. Nutt is pushing his so called alternative for profits. Boost his ratings by writing things outlandish and push his agenda at BIG PHARMA backing his so called miracle drink. Dr. Nutt is owned by BIG PHARMA himself. Like most ALL doctors are these days. It's like listening to someone who thinks they are on the outside while screaming from a cage. IMO

I'll believe him the day beer makes me see babies crawling on the ceiling.

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Alcohol, Cocaine, Crack, Heroin - all in the same category. They physically and psychologically addict you and there is no escape. You can be a functioning addict to any of these and still lead a quasi-normal lifestyle.

MDMA, '___', Psilocybin - not really sure why these are illegal still / or in the first place. I haven't met many people after 3 nights of chewing up molly grabbing another 10 pack and have half done by lunchtime. It just doesn't work like that.

Although it does quite serve the prison and judicial industry to have all of these illegal except for alcohol, as that is the drug of choice for most. A lot of privately ran prisons being built lately.

Ever notice that the experts in these fields have names that could almost discount their entire work? I'm just saying.

It is a good post, yet I think that some study, ANY study for that matter, would be pointless when so many families have had to endure the terrible effects of alcohol, much less, heroine.

It takes time, patience, and understanding for those who do not know the ravages of this drug.

Studies such as this one mean that there is even less emphasis on personal responsibility in this world. Suggesting that alcohol is a more destructive substance than heroin is complete rubbish. Even the mechanism for addiction is different.

For the vast majority of people, alcohol addiction is a mental issue. Heroin, however, has a very powerful effect on brain chemistry that results in a very fast and very powerful addiction. You cannot even compare the two. Most people that are cause trouble after drinking are predisposed to violence even without alcohol; the alcohol itself simply lowers inhibitions, it does not alter their underlying psychological behaviours.

These people, if they took some responsibility for their actions, could moderate their alcohol consumption if they so chose. But they dont, they choose to act like idiots and continue drinking. Heroin addicts do not have that choice. Crystal meth/ice is also very addictive and has a high social cost, i've seen meth addicts and it isnt pretty. They are far far worse off than alcoholics.

Tobacco is another substance that i dont think is inherently addictive. Cigarettes seem to be chemically addictive because of the processing involved in their manufacture. However purer forms of tobacco (ie cigars, shisha/hookah) dont seem to have the same kind of addictive effect.

My own personal experience with alcohol is that is has absolutely no addictive effect whatsoever. I will go months without a drink, and then go out and have 15 in a night or have a string of nights out drinking. But that is for my own amusement really. Its not addictive in the slightest for me, nor do i have a predisposition for violence. I have only ever had great experiences while drinking, never any trouble.

Similarly i smoke cigars and hookah. I'll have a cigar maybe every 3 months, and hookah every few weeks or so. Again there is no addiction there at all for me, i have no cravings and only do it in a social setting. But at the same time i can go a few days in a row smoking it if there are occasions that call for it.

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I'm pretty sure alcohol, a chemical we are evolved to digest, is less harmful than heroin, a chemical with deadly consequences. Just look at the molecular structure.

Also, I'm pretty sure this study forgot about parts per million and how much you actually drink of the stuff.

Ok,i think some of you are over reacting."The discovery of late Stone Age beer jugs has established the fact that purposely fermented beverages existed at least as early as c. 10,000 BC. It has been suggested that beer may have preceded bread as a staple."Wiki
As someone pointed already professor Nutt has his own agendaHarm-free alcohol
People can casually have a drink,people can not casually have a shot of heroine.

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Exactly, the study as done is useful only as a measure of the effect on society. To compare the harmful effect on individuals, it would have to be normalized to compensate for the vast difference in users among the different substances.

I was amazed when i heard it on the television, wow alcool now worst that hard drugs.

I personaly went through hell and back, ive seen how alcool and hard drugs, can take over certain people, and totaly destroy there lives. Ive seen rich people, semi famous people, poor people, artist, cops, doctors, plumbers, what ever walk of life. lose there health, family, careers over these man made products.

But to say one is more evil than the other, is hard to believe, for me, alcool related problems, probably cost more to society than drug addicts, behing alcool is easier to access, in most cultures a must to indulge in it, has less of a stigma to it than hard drugs. Alcool takes longer to kill someone, but it does its job good. In most places addicts are put in jail, where drugs can be found, some places, close to where i live, where the frug problem is so huge, that the police have nearly stoped sending addicts to jail, they have confined open drug market to a certain par on the town, right beside the main police station lol.

So its your call f ya think one is worst than the other, for me, it dont make much of a difference,

just my 2 cents

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Lol did your studies involve real addicts lol, cause there the same, what ever product you need, youll get it, go to some open meetings of AA, or NA, or what ever the got in your town, you will ehar the same stories, with just the twist of what there addiction was. Oh and if you get a chance to see soeguy on DTs, thats when his body reacts to the lack of alcool, reminds me of a heroin junky comin off, lol they twitch the same

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Yeah, it's very easy to brew your own. I keg all mine because it's so much easier than bottling. I only bother to bottle what I want to give away and I bottle from the keg.

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I should probably read through the entire thread before responding to people. I see that I've been beat to the punch on every thing I say. Oh well, I agree with you about the drinking responsibly (and kegging). I also know I drink more than I should according to conventional wisdom, however, I do drink responsibly. If you drink to the point of being smashed you may as well just be guzzling down swill. You don't know what you're drinking at that point. I prefer to enjoy the flavor of a good beer, so I say maybe if more people would start to brew their own they may learn to appreciate good beer (providing they are successful) and learn to drink responsibly. Then again, maybe not.

I don't know what you's are on about ...

Alcohol isn't addictive - I've been drinking it for years!!

I have tried for years to become an alcoholic. I just can't seem to get the hang of it. It does have medicinal properties. Heroin, I would never try as I know I would like it too much and become a junkie right away. Alcohol is more harmful because it is more popular and socially acceptable.

Originally posted by Extralien

Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

www.bbc.co.uk

Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack, according to a study published in medical journal the Lancet.

The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former UK chief drugs adviser who was sacked by the government in October 2009.

It ranks 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.

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Beer is not alcohol lol cmon it was created by sumerian Gods... without beer I would suffer a horrendous death so not having beer is what kills more.... prohibition 2? plz

the professor is probably a "NUT"

I can testify to this. I would do things drunk, that I would never think of doing sober. They don't call it "liquid courage" for nothing. Although I still think meth has the slight edge in detrimental nature.

As a heavy marijuana user it pleases me to see this kind of thing. In my mind, it is really about time education became frank and truthful about substances. I was taught all through my education that all drugs were absolutely the vilest substances a human could ingest, all the while still being prescribed different medications for different health problems. Alcohol is a very, very dangerous substance when misused, but thanks to the culture and tradition surrounding it there is no possible chance it could be reclassified. I am in agreement with the policy of Portugal, to better regulate all substances and with clearer education for the youth. Don't tell them that they are all bad, tell them the exact process that each chemical has on your brain, how they were derrived and how they are produced, and the effects they cause. It disgusts me that essentially harmless substances like marijuana and lsd are demonised, yet alcohol consumption is near promoted as a safe substance.

Alcohol is more harmful that coc aine and heroin. Most people here have no point of reference and have never lived in a world where the drugs weren't illegal.