Man walked on the moon... NOT.

reply to post by SarK0Y

...so far, most-effective space rockets have been russian....

Oh, really?? :shk:

Care to explain, then the USSR failure in the 1960s to mount a manned Lunar mission (because they were trying very very hard...and failing at each critical step). After Apollo 11 they abandoned what was left of that effort, as it was in shambles anyway. Their real problem was lacking a viable heavy-lift vehicle, necessary to loft all the payload required for a manned Lunar journey. Their "N1" vehicle was atrocious:

Although the Soviets were still hoping that an unplanned setback might delay the Apollo program long enough to permit a Soviet cosmonaut to get to the Moon first, they were forced to prepare for the worst after Apollo 8. .... the government accepted Babakin's proposal from early 1967 to prepare an unmanned sample return probe (Hendrickx,1997). This would recover a few grams of lunar soil and return it to the USSR before the first American landing.....

....The next two manned Soyuz flights would practise spacewalks and dockings, finally achieving the goals of the failed Soyuz 1/2 mission almost two years earlier. Soyuz 4 was the first to go....Soyuz 5 carrying three more cosmonauts (Boris Volynov, Yevgeni Khrunov and Alexei Yeliseyev) joined Shalatov in Earth orbit. Following docking, Khrunov and Yeliseyev tested the new moonsuits by performing a spacewalk to Soyuz 4. The Soviets claimed the Soyuz 4/5 linkup represented 'the world's first space station' and denied they had plans to go to the Moon at the moment (Harvey,1996).

EXPLOSION ON THE N1 PAD

..... The first to go was an unmanned Ye-8 lunar rover which would have landed on the Moon and relayed back TV pictures of the landing site. But its UR-500 rocket exploded 40 seconds after launch on 19 February 1969.

On 21 February the first N1 booster (number 3L) roared to life and the giant rocket began to rise skyward. However, at 12:19:12 Moscow time (66s after launch) a leaking oxidizer pipe started a fire at the rear of the first stage and the unmanned L1 payload's escape system activated, pulling it away from the booster. The N1 was destroyed by range safety while the L1 landed safely.....

....The Soviets were now running out of time. The Apollo 9 astronauts successfully tested the Lunar Module in Earth orbit one month after the N1 launch failure, and in May the crew of Apollo 10 ventured to within 15 kilometers of the lunar surface in a dress rehearsal of the Apollo 11 mission. Only a miracle could save the Soviets, who nevertheless pressed ahead......

...After some changes, a second N1 launch attempt using rocket number 5L was made.... Nine seconds after liftoff at an altitude of 200 meters, disaster struck. A piece of debris entered the oxidizer pump of one of the engines, causing it to explode. .....the booster, which fell back towards the pad. The resulting giant explosion completely destroyed pad 2 and also did significant damage to pad 1 and an N1 mockup 500 meters away....

The last Soviet hope was now the Ye-8-5 program and on 13 July 1969, an UR-500 booster finally hurtled Luna 15 towards the Moon. Three days later, Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin and Michael Collins entered their Apollo 11 spacecraft as millions of people all over the world were watching the event on TV. But the Soviet probe's landing systems failed and it impacted on the Moon as the Western media was trying to figure out what its mission was. The same day, on 21 July 1969, Neil Armstrong became the first man to walk on the Moon. The Soviets had lost.

www.fas.org...

.... shuttles are shred of sh!t;

Odd....do you not know of the Soviet-era "Buran"?? It is (visually) a near perfect copy of the U.S. Space Shuttle design. Funny how the Soviets made an almost exact replica, AFTER the plans and designs were public knowledge in the free world?

After a single flight in 1988, the program quickly ran out of funds, as the Soviet Ministry of Defense fully realized the lack of purpose for the system, compared to its tremendous cost. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the program was essentially shut down and, in 1993, the head of NPO Energia, Yuri Semenov publicly admitted that the project was dead.

www.russianspaceweb.com...

More on the Buran here, too: en.wikipedia.org...(spacecraft)

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by bulgogi

 

If you had done your research, you would know that the Apollo astronauts did report flashes of light.while in space. If you are genuinely interested in this topic, you may read more about it here. I am uncertain what else to say, as you have yet to form a coherent argument. The sun is round, but what you have posted are photographs. The light from the sun burns holes in negatives, so what you see in the photographs is not the sun. You have posted random photographs without any explanation of what you find unusual. You are welcome to believe anything you want, but if you wish to have a meaningful discussion, please make meaningful statements.

Where's the transcript of their conversation in which they mention it?

reply to post by bulgogi

Where's the transcript of their conversation in which they mention it?

If you are interested, you can find complete transcripts here: Mission Transcripts Each one is only two or three hundred pages long, so you should have no difficulty skimming them. Or else, you could rely on the information they provided during their debriefings, which was the primary source for the numerous papers on the phosphenes.

reply to post by DJW001

NASA designed Cadillacs and Ferraris, Russia is still cranking out Volvos.

ohhhhhhhhhhh why do they not use their "Cadillacs and Ferraris" instead of russian "Volvos"??? just a little remark: V is Victory

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SarK0Y

 

...so far, most-effective space rockets have been russian....

Oh, really?? :shk:

you used my words beyond context

reply to post by SarK0Y

ohhhhhhhhhhh why do they not use their "Cadillacs and Ferraris" instead of russian "Volvos"???just a little remark: V is Victory

Volvos get better mileage! :

reply to post by DJW001


You just admitted that they never ever talked about it.

reply to post by bulgogi

You just admitted that they never ever talked about it.

No, you just admitted you refuse to do your own research. Why pose a question if you're unprepared to look for the answer yourself? All you have done in this thread is state groundless opinion and challenge others to do your research for you. The least you can do is admit that you don't care one way or the other because your mind is already made up.

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reply to post by bulgogi


As the OP of this thread, the onus is on YOU to not only provide backup to your theories, but to address that which is presented by others. Your lack of effort is screaming loudly at us all...



Credibility shot.

Next...

reply to post by bulgogi


Oh, for chrissakes bulgogi!!! So far, you aren't representing yourself well, as a newbie....

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

www.space.com...

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

There!!!

THREE results, all from Google, took me less than five minutes...YOU can do it, too!!!

I typed in "apollo astronauts eye flashes". Go nuts, try any other combinations of keywords your heart desires.

Now, go sit in the corner and start reading......

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SarK0Y

 

ohhhhhhhhhhh why do they not use their "Cadillacs and Ferraris" instead of russian "Volvos"???just a little remark: V is Victory

Volvos get better mileage! :

you just admitted the obvious fact: nasa has issued useless crap, & has taken money for
Cosmonautics is too expensive & too risky thing -- No one will be Successful there w\o optimal solutions in fact, actual facilities of nasa don't show their probability to've so tech Advanced mission then

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by bulgogi

 

Oh, for chrissakes bulgogi!!!

So far, you aren't representing yourself well, as a newbie....

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

www.space.com...

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

There!!!

THREE results, all from Google, took me less than five minutes...YOU can do it, too!!!

I typed in "apollo astronauts eye flashes". Go nuts, try any other combinations of keywords your heart desires.

Now, go sit in the corner and start reading......

Dude, I asked for the transcripts of their conversations during their missions, which should be supported by audio tracks, and the passages where they mention it. They can lie like a lawyer whenever they are asked to do it after the events, but they can't change what they have done already. I want the transcript that was released to the public 40 years ago or so.

reply to post by bulgogi


So? then why don't you provide the transcripts and prove your point in which you claim there is no information in them...

Click here for more information.

I know I won the argument because no matter how hard you search you will never find a credible evidence for it. I know since I looked through all the records and couldn't find any evidence of it.

reply to post by bulgogi


I know a certain someone who's getting a spanking.

You "searched" and couldn't find and "transcripts", eh???

Yeah, right.

049:23:55 Allen: Roger; we copy that. Sounds like that's the most sleep you've had in several months. Out of curiosity, since we're coming up on this eye-flash experiment, I wonder if any of you has noticed any of the flashes yet?

[CapCom Joe Allen is referring to the morning's main activity, which is to study the nature of flashes in the eye which had been reported by many, though not all of the previous Apollo crews.]

049:24:11 Irwin: Yes, we have noticed them both nights, Joe.
049:24:15 Allen: Okay; I guess we'll talk more about that a little later on. I have a number of other things to read up to you, in whatever order you'd like. They include a fairly extensive Flight Plan update; nothing profound but it will require some - certain amount of writing, and then a few miscellaneous questions which we'd like to ask you.

history.nasa.gov...

Now....the ATS community is awaiting your response, with bated breath......

Talk to us from your corner, in between the "research".

You do realize that they never made public the audio tracks, right? So basically they can make a bunch of things up.

reply to post by bulgogi

I know I won the argument because no matter how hard you search you will never find a credible evidence for it. I know since I looked through all the records and couldn't find any evidence of it.

You have yet to provide any evidence that you have done anything more than look at three (unsourced) photos and post childish, yes, childish one liners. At least SarKOY is engaging in some good old fashioned good natured rivalry. Your posts have been the ATS equivalent of saying "I know you are but what am I?" over and over and over again. Please take your trolling elsewhere, it has no amusement value any more.