What do Anti-Feminists Really Want?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Personally speaking, I mainly feel sorry for feminists, as I believe that they are usually embittered women who - for one reason or another - have deep underlying ''issues'' with men.

That is the understanetment of the year.

But i say let all the fem and females have there cake and eat it.

Roll on when there will be one gender, and all this rubbish is gone.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
The idea of gender-specific rights flies in the face of equality.

...only if you dismiss thousands of years of legalized male supremacy...

...since we cant erase history and we dont live in fantasy land, the term "women's rights" is correct...

That is the problem I have with all reactionary "rights" movement. Unless you're over 60, you've not been subjugated to any of your so called "male supremacy years." You've not been wronged. You have no desire to be equal. Just the idea of being able to use this to put yourself in a position of dominance makes you salivate. All you want it female supremacy.

No wonder men don't want commitment are becoming greater in numbers. No one's going to put up with that crap from a partner unless they're masochistic!

FYI in most cases women were primarily happy with the arrangements. You see, back before this movement really took hold, people actually only had hard labor as jobs. The women CHOSE to stay home and fulfill that role in lieu of going out and doing the grunt work.

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Females today have all the rights, so how can they complain? The male dominated world was long gone, and its just females, that have this need to try and bring up that stuff.

I keep on saying to all you males, let the females have the world they want, and these feminists, let them have it.

All you males against feminism, should really just let the fems have the world they want, and just get on with your life.

Originally posted by andy1033
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I keep on saying to all you males, let the females have the world they want, and these feminists, let them have it.

All you males against feminism, should really just let the fems have the world they want, and just get on with your life.

Yes, that would be the best option, but for some reason - unfortunately - I do not see them just relinquishing their power. They want to be in control, that is their main motivation, and women are to be controlled. They will deny this, I am sure, but facts speak for themselves.

wonderfull post britt,i hope more women would be like you

Originally posted by PayMeh
That is the problem I have with all reactionary "rights" movement. Unless you're over 60, you've not been subjugated to any of your so called "male supremacy years." You've not been wronged. You have no desire to be equal. Just the idea of being able to use this to put yourself in a position of dominance makes you salivate. All you want it female supremacy.

You are absolutely correct.

Hanging on to the coat-tails of genuinely suppressed people in the past is lazy, dishonest, insulting, weak, and cowardly.

People who adopt a victim mentality just can't face up to their own shortcomings, and instead of using knock-backs to help personal growth, they just whip out the ''gender card'' instead, which shows a lack of maturity, and they will perpetually underachieve in their lives.

Some people are just selfish, and want an easy-ride because of an accident of birth.


I've found, the older feminists are often worse, as a lot of them are vengeful and vindictive; a common attitude is ''look what we've been through, now it's payback time''.

This is a very primitive mindset, and perpetuates the vicious cycle of one side being aggrieved at negative treatment mistreating the other side, who then feels aggrieved, so tehy mistreat the original mistreaters, and so on, ad infinitum...

What do Anti-Feminists Really Want?

Depends why they are on board, but most of them want gender equality. Something feminism blew past years ago.

This is in response to the PMs I have received in response to what I have posted on this thread.

In my first reply on this thread I stated that "I would like to take pride in making my house a home instead of feeling ashamed that I am somehow setting women back"

Then I receive a PM stating that I am doing just that. The very thing I want to be free from. How the heck is that liberating to women when they can't choose the kind of lifestyle they want with out being degraded?
I also received a PM in a round about way accusing me of saying that all woman should be sitting at home doing nothing but "Girly things"
How is describing the kind of life I, myself would like to have saying that all women should live this way?
If I thought that I would be in the corner knitting sweaters instead of on ATS.

Perhaps women haven't truly been liberated.

In the past women were expected to stay at home and take care of their family. Those who wanted careers or higher education were scorned.
Now the reverse is true.
Nothing has changed except the lifestyle expected of women.
If we were truly liberated we would be free to live the lifestyle of our choosing with out risk of condemnation.
What I find amusing is that my oppressors are not men but fellow women.

Originally posted by calstorm

What I find amusing is that my oppressors are not men but fellow women.

If you were in the work force you would be singing a different tune.

I see women getting abused in the workplace almost daily from unwanted sexual advances to actual groping.
And to be perfectly honest, I plead guilty to the unwanted sexual advances infractions when I was a young and stupid, testosterone fueled dude.

When I report it; I'm told to mind my own business if I value my job.

And I work in one of the most liberal unsexist industries there is.

Originally posted by 547000
I, personally, want the most delicious pizza in the world.
But I'd settle for equal rights, not favoring one sex over another, too.

...agreed... theres a fairly recent thread on here about females working on submarines (link below)... the author of the op preferred seperate subs for the genders... i prefer higher standards regardless of gender...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I think you missed what I was saying completely.
I am in the workforce. I have done the career mom lifestyle for a long time now and I am burnt out. Its freaking exhausting being the "strong independent" woman.I want the stay at home mom. To even suggest that I would want that kind of life is met with utter ridicule.
I would also lie to point out, I have never had a problem with male bosses or coworkers, only other women in the work place.

Clarification. I have never seen and instance of sexual harassment. As far as getting along with bosses and coworkers, I have found male coworkers much easier to get along with than women. Men don't have the cutthroat attitude that many women have.

-I would like for feminists to stop defining marriage (and the male/female relationship in general) in terms of power struggle and competition. Males and females are complementary. They're not meant to compete with each other.

-Children are in desperate need of a mother who will put their family and marriage before their career and own selfish desires. Get rid of this "single mother pride" and "I don't need a man" attitude. It's all at the expense of your children and only to feed your oversized ego.

-Stop masquerading abortion as a woman's "right". Stop acting as if children are a punishment. STOP acting like you are a victim simply because you are born with the reproductive parts to give birth.

-Stop blaming men and "sexism" for all of your failures.

-Stop this "eqaulity" non-sense and embrace the fact that men and women are inherently different and better fitted for certain roles.

-You go on about how women didn't have the "right" to vote, yet don't even acknowledge the fact that only men were required to risk their lives for the freedom and security of their families.

-Stop masquerading pornography and promiscuity as "sexual liberation". Pornography is only hurtful and degrading to the image of women in general. No woman who is mentally and emotionally healthy would choose a "career" in pornography. It was found in the Kibbutz experiment that females develop a natural sense of modesty during puberty while males do not. Encouraging sexual agression in women is only brainwashing.

-Stop rejecting alpha-males, masculinity, and chivalry. Stop scoffing at men who try to do what only comes naturally by protecting women. I can't imagine why any straight woman would have a problem with these things.

-Get over your daddy issues and /or inferiority complex, whichever caused you to become a feminist in the first place, if not both.

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I am in my mid thirties.

When I was an adult, the laws making it illegally for a man to rape his spouse were enacted.

Please tell me again.

...you are responsible when you continue to embrace male supremacy by posting your opinion that sexually unrepressed females are sluts that NO man would want (as you did on taters misogeny thread)...

So a woman is sexually repressed when she doesn't choose to sleep with every man she sees? A woman is sexually repressed if she only wishes to sleep with men who love and respect her? A woman is sexually repressed if she prefers intimacy rather than quickies and one night stands with strangers? Most promiscuous women are the result of a sexually abusive past or an absent father.

Feminists are by far the worst enemy of women.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by Fiberx
On the subject of promiscuity and men/women.
It is not oppressive to say that most men do not want promiscuous women.

...you included the clarifier "most", which is more accurate than the wide sweeping generalization of "all" - but - its still a presumptious generalization...

Originally posted by Fiberx
Men, by instinct, want to assure that it is THEIR seed that is passed on.

...nonsense... if men only screwed to sire children, there wouldnt be countless fatherless kids... screwing is about a lot of things - procreation is just one of the many...

I didn't say that men only have sex to procreate, i said they instinctively want THEIR seed to be passed on. Actually if you take a purely evolutionary view of sex, you will see that it actually makes sense for men to mate with as many women as possible..It increases the likelihood of passing on his genes successfully. So from that perspective it is not too surprising that many children end up with little or no involvement from their father. Just as most men do not want a cheating wife, most women do not want a cheating husband. Or often it is simply that the male feels that he has to stop being a womanizer in order to be that husband and prioritizes sex over his offspring.

BTW, this is not an attempt to excuse this sort of behavior, it's the reality of our biology and the difficulties that we have overcoming that biology with modern social expectations of behavior.

In the modern world I personally feel that is best for both sexes to find a trust worthy partner and be monogamous. Clearly it is very difficult for some people to do though. Most of these people are not inherently evil or destructive, most of them are simply unable to resist the biological temptations they face and so find ways to justify their actions to themselves because it's easier than "following the rules".

We are really just starting to resist our animal instincts. It's actually pretty amazing what's going on in our cultures today. Humanity is quite literally redefining the rules of life. We have become our creator in a manner, by pulling away from our biology and defining our purpose and laws according to our own thought as a society.

In the past these behaviors have had to be forced upon a population through religion or even physical violence.

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Hmmm... that's funny.. I work in, what is commonly thought of, one of the most "sexist" industries: Construction, and I have NEVER seen a woman disrespected, nor sexually harassed on a job-site.. in fact, it is often the opposite, most people will treat their women coworkers with kid gloves in grave fear of getting laid off for making the wrong comment, etc. The women aren't laid off if they can't nimbly handle 60+lbs of equipment, while if the male coworker couldn't move the equipment, he'd be laid off at the end of the day. I also have personally seen one woman use these "opportunities" to their benefit, falsely accusing their male coworker of saying something he didn't, in order to get him fired. Those of us who actually witnessed what happened (two men, and one other woman) tried to explain what happened, but the Contractor thought it easier to just fire the man then try to accuse this woman of lying.

Now, most of the women in my field that I have worked with have been incredible workers, and fully deserving of their position, but there are definitely those that abuse the way things are. I believe in equality, BOTH genders have/will abuse their position of power, so there should be no legal "advantages" for one nor the other. Isn't that what "equality" is? When you start giving one side legal advantages over the other, that doesn't exactly sound like any "equality" I have heard of.

Originally posted by HarmonicNights

...you are responsible when you continue to embrace male supremacy by posting your opinion that sexually unrepressed females are sluts that NO man would want (as you did on taters misogeny thread)...

So a woman is sexually repressed when she doesn't choose to sleep with every man she sees? A woman is sexually repressed if she only wishes to sleep with men who love and respect her? A woman is sexually repressed if she prefers intimacy rather than quickies and one night stands with strangers? Most promiscuous women are the result of a sexually abusive past or an absent father.

Feminists are by far the worst enemy of women.

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I asked the same question, still waiting for an answer.

A woman is sexually repressed if there are laws and codes which REQUIRE that she act in a certain manner in regards to her sexuality. Where an EXTERIOR person / agency dictates a single acceptable sexual identity for her.