How does Jesus' death save us?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


That is the Trinity and it reads demigod. God in Judaism cannot be broken down. God created life. But he cannot be broken down and become a human.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

That is the Trinity and it reads demigod. God in Judaism cannot be broken down. God created life. But he cannot be broken down and become a human.

How can you say that an omnipotent God cannot do something? Logical fallacies (such as the proverbial rock so big he can't lift it) aside, what's to prevent God from doing what the Doctrine of the Trinity says that he did?

reply to post by adjensen


It will make God weak. God as a human or anything else will make God weak. Plus if God would take shape it would defeat the purpose of the concept of God in Judaism. God is eternal. Not bound by time.
God in Judaism 1
God in Judaism 2

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by adjensen

 

It will make God weak. God as a human or anything else will make God weak. Plus if God would take shape it would defeat the purpose of the concept of God in Judaism. God is eternal. Not bound by time.

How can anything make God weak? God is eternal, he is outside of time, and unchanging, so how could he become weak? Christians believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always existed, all eternal, and all one being.

Saying Christ makes God weak is a bit akin to saying that when I speak, I weaken myself by expelling my voice.

reply to post by adjensen


We share different views on God. God can create life. But God cannot have children. I believe God is one and not like a trinity or anything else of that nature. Do you respect my views?

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by adjensen

 

We share different views on God. God can create life. But God cannot have children. I believe God is one and not like a trinity or anything else of that nature. Do you respect my views?

Sure, I'm just trying to understand the rationale. Your earlier posts indicate that you believe that the Christian view is impossible in Judaism, I'd just like to validate or invalidate that. I can certainly see the concept as being a bit foreign (though as a former Christian, they should not be for you,) but I've yet to see anything that repudiates it.

reply to post by adjensen


Well It's hard for me to explain. I guess you will just have to accept my word. You might be interested in studying Islam and it's views on Jesus. It's more explained in a Jewish light. Where God is eternal, not broken down or doesn't have children. Yet he creates Jesus in Mary's womb and is still born of a virgin. Jesus is a human and is given the Gospels. he also performs the miracles in the Bible. Jesus in Islam

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


No, I'm well aware of both the Islamic and Judaic arguments against it, as well as the reasoning behind it. Christians have the same arguments, to be honest, which is why things like the Doctrine of the Trinity were developed -- to answer the question that WE have... there is one God, but Christ is God, so how does that work?

I'm personally comfortable with the Christian theology that supports it, I was just curious if you had another angle, apart from the standard arguments.

reply to post by adjensen


Well we have to study and give it time.
Faith requires faith. Skepticism requires evidence to support belief in life. You know what I'm saying?

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

No. We ask God for forgiveness. No any man or pagan God.
You need to study Judaism more!

I need to 'study Judaism more'?

Is not the Torah the first 5 books of my Bible sitting right next to me?

Did you not post this above?:

"The sacrifice must be brought at the Temple 7. The sacrifice must have its blood taken by a priest and sprinkled on the altar. 8. The sacrifice must be salted."

What does the word "MUST" mean to you?

God commanded all men over the age of 20 to appear at the Temple 3 times a year. You've been screwed since 70 A.D.

God commanded the high priest to offer two unblemished goats for sacrifice on the Day of Atonement, one to be slaughtered and burnt at the alter, and one sent to the wilderness to be pushed over a cliff. Again, you've been screwed since 70 A.D.

Do you really think God has left people without a way to atone for their sins in over 1,970 years?????

I sure don't.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Again you're not getting the full picture of what I'm saying and we don't need animal sacrifices for God to forgive us.
Sin in Judaism

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

That is the Trinity and it reads demigod. God in Judaism cannot be broken down. God created life. But he cannot be broken down and become a human.

Wait, let me get this straight..

God is powerful enough to call the entire universe into existence with a single spoken sentence, but is powerless to enter human history to redeem mankind to Himself as a final sacrifice for sin and unrighteousness?

Are you kidding me? Why are you limiting God?

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by adjensen

 

We share different views on God. God can create life. But God cannot have children. I believe God is one and not like a trinity or anything else of that nature. Do you respect my views?

There u go again, declaring what God cannot do. If god doesn't have a Son, what is the meaning of this verse?

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

Proverbs 30:4

reply to post by NOTurTypical


That limits God. It makes God weak! Jesus in Judaism will be consider more then one God and be broken down in more the one part.
Crucfixon

You need to really study Judaism and God.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I would like for you to read this article!
You need to study and understand more!
Divine

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Again you're not getting the full picture of what I'm saying and we don't need animal sacrifices for God to forgive us.
Sin in Judaism

Yes, I realize that is what the Messorites decided AFTER the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., but what does the Word of the Lord declare in the Tanakh?

I'll give you a hint:

You need a Temple.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Well I have God, my body and Israel as my temple. If I need a place of worship to pray or what not then there's no point in having God being everywhere. Of course building a temple will bring the Messiah and Elijah.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

That limits God. It makes God weak! Jesus in Judaism will be consider more then one God and be broken down in more the one part.
Crucfixon

You need to really study Judaism and God.

You're the only one in this discussion 'limiting' God. By declaring what He can and can't do. The Son of God becoming flesh and dwelling with man doesn't in any way diminish Him. In fact, God ADDS something to Himself. He added humanity. How is the Father 'diminished' by sending the Son into human history?

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well I have God, my body and Israel as my temple. If I need a place of worship to pray or what not then there's no point in having God being everywhere. Of course building a temple will bring the Messiah and Elijah.

That's not what the Lord declared in the Tanakh under the covenant.

The Jews who reject the Messiah as the ultimate sacrifice have been screwed since 70 A.D.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


God added humanity to himself when he created us. God was never supposed to become a human. Why didn't he become a bull when the Jews at mount before Moses came down? Don't you see where I'm coming from.