Roman Church Resurrects Nazi "Final Solution"

reply to post by Eliad

You have to read the entire article.

In the article, the Roman church denies that there is any such thing as the "Chosen people".

The "Chosen people" is a Revelation received by Moses, Isaiah, etc. etc. etc. and validated by Jesus in the Gospels, as well as Mohammed in the Quran.

Contradicting a Revelation is, by definition, Satanic.

Michael

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Michael Cecil

No where in the Quran does it say the Jews are God's chosen people

Then the copy of the Quran that you have is probably one of those published by the government of Saudi Arabia, or any one of a number of other floridly anti-Semitic versions, and specifically edited so as to twist or deny those Revelations.

Michael

Sigh.
Isn't this in the wrong forum?
Shouldn't it be in one of the religious ones?
I think the OP overreached a bit here, inserting his own fallible opinion and presenting it as a concrete ideology.

This does seem to be in the wrong forum. The "debate" about who the "chosen" people are is a religious one.

As an agnostic, I agree with level-headed people like Sunny Dee, and IamCorrect, who have expressed a rather common-sense view of the issue.

No, there aren't any "chosen" people, the idea itself is archaic, and at odds with rational thought. It reminds me of the time some years ago that a very old skeleton was found in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, the native tribe in the area immediately laid claim to the remains, asserting that it was "their" ancestor. Upon examination, the skeleton was dating back something like 15,000 years. Further, forensic science seemed to reveal that the ancient person in fact looked rather "white".

Of course, the whole thing is silly! People who lived 15,000 years ago likely shouldn't be "labeled" with modern terms, whether "white", or "Native American". Clearly, the ancient person would have been neither.

Bringing it up to date, what about the Jews of today? What resemblance do they have to people written about in the Bible thousands of years ago? Has there not been a whole lot of water under the bridge since then?

Why haven't I seen the name of Arthur Koestler yet, in any debate involving the "chosen"? Surely the Jewish posters here know who he is. He wrote the famous book "The Thirteenth Tribe". Koestler was Jewish himself of course, hardly an "anti-Semite", but he discovered that the people claiming to be "Jewish" today, are mostly of an entirely different origin. In his book, he laid out the seldom seen history of a long-forgotten nation called Khazaria. The king supposedly converted to Judaism, and in those days, that pretty much meant the whole country converted right along with him. Seventh century. Long after Abraham and Moses.

Koestler himself realized the vast implications of his discovery, especially in connection with Zionist claims in Palestine.

In short, the problem comes not so much in holding various religious beliefs, but when those beliefs allow some to seize a kind of "moral high-ground", based on mythology, and error, then such a thing begins to have the potential to cause serious mischief. Witness the deplorable state of affairs in the Middle East today.

Wake up Christians, Muslims, Jews and others who help perpetuate this mythical notion of a "chosen" people. It could be that your personal mythology is to blame for much unnecessary blood-shed.

JR

reply to post by Michael Cecil
[moMre]Many people, like myself, do not believe the Bible to be a book written by anyone but skitzophrenics that hear voices. These days we medicate people like that, in the old days we didn't. We believed in witches and curses and hearing voices from god that told people to do gastly things, like murder, slice off foreskins,go to war and kill each other, sacrifice living creatures, exc..... God of the bible also wants us to have fear of him, something that causes numerous health issues by stress: the raising of cortisol in the bloodstream. I am a nicer person than that bible god so I guess I would rather pray to myself.
God is the perfect concious creative force that we cannot fully understand in our human condition and our little fairy tale believing brains. A god that is perfect would not be Jelous, angry, and vengefull and set his children against each other or favour one group as the chosen over another . That is why myself and many others do not believe the bible to be nothing more than the work of man and hold god in higher esteem than that negative fear dribble.
God is perfect and therefore is probbably very dissapointed with that book that paints such a dreadful book that encorages a view of him with such negative human emotions. These emotions most humans can conquer and overcome. I don't have Jeolosy and don't want my fellow humans to have fear and kill each other. Anyone who believes in being 'THE CHOSEN" WANTS TO USUALLY PROFIT IN SOME WAY FROM THIS DRIBBLE.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
reply to post by Eliad

You have to read the entire article.

In the article, the Roman church denies that there is any such thing as the "Chosen people".

The "Chosen people" is a Revelation received by Moses, Isaiah, etc. etc. etc. and validated by Jesus in the Gospels, as well as Mohammed in the Quran.

Contradicting a Revelation is, by definition, Satanic.

Michael

Whatever, so there's no chosen people.. What difference does it make?

And how does this resurrect the Nazi "Final Solution"?

reply to post by Michael Cecil


Good job sensationalizing your post. when Nazi Germany instituted the Final Solution didn't they try to exterminate all Jews? And the Catholic Church claimed we need to exterminate all the Jews where in the article you posted??

reply to post by dusty1

Yes, they got corupted with the kabalah, anunaki along the exile from egipt, they adopted it.
Don't need to worry now, we are all in the same boat, coruption by force, they F-t up and it became a game.
Not a single person is not corupted, we all are, and when you hear someone say "we have earned our right to be" is should be said "shut up and drive" because were not going to F up other places in this universe that are natural. The red must go into the dark and feel what it is to be a victim, to understand what feelings are and how it is to hurt on the inside. Maybe the queeen will spear them, it's what I hope, if we go exploring the universe we must have bolth our sides or we are worthless scums.

...the issue is NOT whether jews can believe they are their god's chosen ones or whether or not that particular belief is warranted...

...the issue is - - - - do religious beliefs justify israel's behavior in regards to palestine?...

...the answer is - - - - no...

...the roman catholic church unapologetically committed genocide for many hundreds of years and should have kept their mouth shut on this current deal rather than pretending no one remembers what monsters they were...

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Michael Cecil

No where in the Quran does it say the Jews are God's chosen people

Then the copy of the Quran that you have is probably one of those published by the government of Saudi Arabia, or any one of a number of other floridly anti-Semitic versions, and specifically edited so as to twist or deny those Revelations.

Michael

No that’s not the case.

The Quran acknowledges the revelation to what it calls “the People of the Book”

That is those given the TORAH and those given the Injel or Gospel

It does say that God bestowed favors on the Children of Israel but not as a specific cosmic chosen race or people.

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by Michael Cecil

Good job sensationalizing your post. when Nazi Germany instituted the Final Solution didn't they try to exterminate all Jews? And the Catholic Church claimed we need to exterminate all the Jews where in the article you posted??

1) The cause of the conflict between Jews, Christians and Muslims throughout the Middle East is the repudiation of the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed.

2) This conflict is manifested in the conflict over Jerusalem; the fundamental motivation of that conflict being not a conflict over land--that is merely a symptom--but a conflict over Absolute Truth itself. In other words, possession of the city of Jerusalem signifies that those who possess it also possess and convey the perfection of Revealed Truth.

3) The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' all insist that their respective theologies convey the perfection of Revealed Truth and that all of the other perspectives are fundamentally deficient or in error: The Jewish religious 'authorities' assert that their theological interpretation of the Revelations in the Torah and the Prophets is the perfection of the Revelation of Truth; the Christian religious 'authorities' insist that their interpretation of the Revelations in the Gospels is the perfection of the Revelation of Truth; and the Muslim religious 'authorities' insist that their interpretation of the Revelations in the Quran is the perfection of the Revelation of Truth.

4) The article asserts that, against the background of the universal and flagrant contradiction and repudiation of the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed--specifically, the repudiation of the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' and the repudiation of the Knowledge Revealed through the "Tree of Life", the Vision of the "Son of man", the "Vision of Knowledge" and the "Night Journey" of Mohammed--the 'final solution' to the conflict between Zionists and Palestinians over Jerusalem is, ultimately, the repudiation of the Revelation that the children of Israel are the "Chosen people".

5) The repudiation of that one Revelation in particular is the very manifestation of the entire causation of the conflict in the first place; which is the repudiation of ALL Revealed Truth.

6) It was the repudiation of the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel and Jesus--and their replacement by the Satanic theologies of both the Jewish and the Christian religious 'authorities'--which resulted in the original "Final Solution" in Nazi Germany and the extermination of millions of Jews during the Holocaust.

7) In Chapter 16:13-14 of the Revelation of John, reference is made to the "demon spirits" which come out of the jaws of the "dragon", "beast" and "false prophet"; those "demon spirits" signifying the Satanic doctrines propagated by the "dragon"-media, the political manifestation of which (also propagated by the "dragon"-media) is propagated by the "beast"-politicians, and the "false prophet"-Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'establishments' which assert that this confict can be resolved NOT by returning to the fundamental Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed; but, on the contrary, through the continued repudiation of Revealed Truth. (This is the path that leads not to Life, but to destruction.)

8) The Prophecies of Chapter 12-14 of the Book of Zechariah describe the ultimate consequences of the repudiation of Revealed Truth--any reasonable interpretation of which being that, all things remaining the same, those consequences include genocide. In other words, the doctrine of the racist, Jewish religious fascists that Gentiles are no different than donkeys, the doctrine of the Christian religious 'authorities' that the Jews are "no longer" the "Chosen people", and the doctrine of the Muslim religious 'authorities' that ALL previous Revelations have been perverted are contributing very directly to the horrors referred to as the "time of trouble" in Chapter 12:1 of the Book of Daniel.

Thus, the title of this thread is not a 'sensationalization' at all.

It is a very precise description of the ultimate consequences of the repudiation of Revelation conveyed by the "dragon"-media in the article itself; the implications of which will, just watch, rapidly be echoed and expanded upon by the "beast"-politicians and diplomats involved in the "peace process".

Michael

Originally posted by inforeal

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Michael Cecil

No where in the Quran does it say the Jews are God's chosen people

Then the copy of the Quran that you have is probably one of those published by the government of Saudi Arabia, or any one of a number of other floridly anti-Semitic versions, and specifically edited so as to twist or deny those Revelations.

Michael

No that’s not the case.

The Quran acknowledges the revelation to what it calls “the People of the Book”

That is those given the TORAH and those given the Injel or Gospel

It does say that God bestowed favors on the Children of Israel but not as a specific cosmic chosen race or people.

There are three possible options here:

1) You are intentionally lying, for the purpose of engendering conflict and genocide between Jews, Christians and Muslims;

2) You have a completely perverted text of the Quran; or,

3) You are incapable of reading.

I simply do not have the time even to list--much less explain--the number of instances in which the Quran validates that the children of Israel are the "Chosen people".

The translation I use is the Dawood translation in English, if that is any help.

Michael