Triangle UFO over Virginia October 17th 2010

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Awesome! thanks for the info. Hopefully that will help answer some questions..Would you be willing to post the rest of the footage you captured? that would be great! thanks again

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I watched the video at RVA Mag posted, and at the 3:07 mark, the video gets interesting. You see a fixed star plainly, and to the left of the star is a light that seems to fluctuate in intensity, and it moves around a bit. It appears to be far away, so it seems like it's moving at a decent speed. And the videographer does a great job of leaving the camera still so the viewer can get a good feel for the motion.

Here's my problem with this observation: This 'UFO', while interesting, displays motion that can still be explained by either an LED kite, or hybrid kite/motorized RC craft. It doesn't move completely across the sky, it stays in the same general area.

I know you testify that it did things different from what we see in the video, but without the video to back it up, you could simply be making an observational mistake. If we don't understand what it is we see at night, then the observer can begin to "see it wrong", and project qualities onto the object that simply are incorrect.

Did the UFO you saw do ANYTHING that defies the laws of inertia/gravity? Did it stop, and then instantly move across the sky at thousands of miles an hour, make 90 degree turns, etc.?

You have to realize that if it just looked "weird", but didn't do anything that is unexplainable (RC craft w/ LED), etc., then it is probably just that.

Keep in mind that we've been getting more and more reports as of late that appear to be these RC/LED/KITE craft. The technology is becoming more affordable and wide spread.

Originally posted by playdrumsalot

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
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Nice to see you here my friend!!! Welcome to ATS! You'll have a great time here! I know a few members had some questions throughout this thread for you, is there anyway you could answer those?? I also wanted to ask you if you could post any more footage you may have filmed of the object? The more footage we have the more we can get it out there and the better we can figure out what this could be..Thanks again for signing up and I look forward to hearing from you!!! here are a few questions I have...

1-Was there anyone else who may have filmed this you know of?
2-Was there a specific shape you saw or just lights?
3-Was there any noise the object made?
4-Could you estimate how high the object was?
5-Were there any helicopters or other aircraft flying through the sky when you sighted this?
6-Did the object just dissapear or did you see it take off?

thanks again my friend

1- I dont know of anyone who filmed this particular object. I have yet to come across any similar footage of the UFO I saw.
2- The only shape I could see was the triangular light pattern.
3- The object made absolutely no noise.
4- I would say the object was the same distance a police helicopter would fly. It is the same as if I were to hold a dime out in front of me with my arms fully extended.
5- There were not any planes or aircraft in the sky while I saw this object. It was up for several hours.
6- That night I had company from out of town. I told them I was going on the porch for a cigarette. I noticed the UFO, then went back inside to get them. We stared at it for quite some time. I then filmed the object in the location you see in the video. This thing eventually made it to the other side of my house. It was indeed way too high and lengthy in time to be a motorized kite. It wasn't close to the trees like it seemed. Cars stopped in the middle of the road to look at it. Tons of people were following it from downtown to where I live. People were very shocked and everyone was reacting in an unexplainable way. People from all over were talking like we had known each other for a long time and everyone got a weird vibe from the flying object.

Allan thank you for joining this discussion. I saw something very similar to what was shown in your video of the triangle lights. My sighting was 4-5 seconds and was in 2004. I have never seen one before that or since.

I saw it up close and personal and during daylight hours. It was an overcast sky and there was a break in the clouds. My step-son saw it and asked me what it was, I looked up and saw it.

With my hands outstretched, my entire hand would not have blotted it out. If I were to hold a magazine at arms length I would have still seen the angles.

It was moving very very slow and did not make a sound. If a jet had been at that height, my fingernail would have blotted it out at arms length. It was a perfect triangle with a bright bluish white light on each angle. They did not blink.

It was moving between clouds and was out of sight completely obscured by the overcast. As bright as the lights were, they did not penetrate through the clouds.

I am not a crazy person. I know I saw something, I just do not know what it was.

That's an awesome story Allan...
The thing is, many other people who saw a triangle UFO described it similair (no noise, the lights and that stuff), it's the same UFO seen in the prominent Belgian case... the fascinating thing is that I started to have interest in Ufology in the beginning of the month and that month seems to be a big one... (New York, Virginia, Russia).
I even didn't see any UFO footage until October (the first was the picture of the Belgian wave, that started my interest in it).
Maybe the most of the sightings are bull#, but there are so many cases and this one is one of the really interesting cases.

Originally posted by The_Liberator
So it hovered for "hours" and was seen by "dozens' of people and yet only ONE of them was impressed enough to take a video? Remember, this is 2010 where just about everyone walks around with a camcorder built into their phone. So where are the other videos??

[Lumberg] Yeeeeeah, I'm gonna hafta go ahead and disagree with you here. [/Lumberg]

Kind if a catch 22. Yes, we all now have phone-cams. Yes, even the iPhone is HD, but it's a digital (not optical zoom) and is meant for daytime recording, of objects/subjects less than 10-20' away. (I'm sure of the 'dozens' who saw, ALL with phone cams tried to capture footage, but it wasn't good enough - wanna bet? Follow up stories will be out soon, I'm sure)

I'm afraid it won't be until a film crew - with the right equipment - from a local news channel is fortunate enough to be on location at the right time, to get the crystal clear footage that everyone wants.

We're all so spoiled. Everyone is just clamoring for that footage that says, "This is it!", and have forgotten just how far we've come in a few short decades. 50-60 years ago - and, for the next 40 thru the 80s, we were all studying the FEW, same crusty old photos that people have looked at for years. But, now (just as you pointed out), we all have cameras on our phones and, video cameras have been a household 'appliance' for the last 15-20, and what do we have?! More reports than EVER, funneling in. We're getting there.

I doubt 'disclosure' will ever come, but then again it won't need to, the slow and growing realization that we are not alone will soon overtake society (OR, that our government/military is hiding a TON of technology from the public (can't have it both ways, guys - it's one or the other!!))

I looked through my camera footage and the other footage was just me trying to get a good view of the object, nothing worth watching. Also, my youtube video is copyrighted, therefore I wont be able to post any other footage. I appreciate everyone who had positive feedback about the video and who stands behind me on my sighting. I will be glad to answer any questions. I want you all to know that people making outlandish comments saying that they filmed it, uploading my video to youtube, saying it was a lantern they released on their wedding, even saying it didn't move across the sky. As I said before, this thing went from East to West as I watched it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however, dont try to shut something down that you know nothing about. keep an open mind. I wish I was capable of a hoax this realistic. I have proof that nothing was done to the video, because it is all still on my handycam that I ran inside to get. My iphone wouldnt zoom in close enough. Thanks guys

Have you been an UFO believer before?
Did you ever care about UFO sightings or things like that before you see that?
It's interesting because many "skeptics" argue that believers are seeing UFOs in every sort of lights in the sky... (I don't mean it offensive, but I heard about many people who even didn't know about any UFO sightings before, maybe you're another of them).
And in that town, is it still a topic or is it back to normal?
Did it affect the other people?

could be...or could not be we will have to wait and find out...could be military?!

Originally posted by playdrumsalot
reply to post by ziggyproductions05

 

hey guys, its me Allan (playdrumsalot). I originally saw and shot the video and will tell you this thing was unlike anything ive ever seen. Let me just make this clear, it was not a kite or a balloon. thats just nonsense. It was clearly something flying bc I saw it in person. feel free to email me at [email protected] Please do me a favor and post the video everywhere so we can get an explanation to this. I want to reach out to the masses and see what they think.

I'm sorry Allan but it seems CBS News WTVR Richmond Virginia just debunked you.
It seems the lights were chinese lanterns released during a wedding. Check their
new report with witnesses. Better luck next time.

www.wtvr.com...

As we can see the actual paranoia is ongoing with reports by the media that result
mundane sightings of balloons, chinese lanterns, flares, RC models etc. this is
getting boring.

Originally posted by free_spirit
I'm sorry Allan but it seems CBS News WTVR Richmond Virginia just debunked you.
It seems the lights were chinese lanterns released during a wedding. Check their
new report with witnesses. Better luck next time.

www.wtvr.com...

As we can see the actual paranoia is ongoing with reports by the media that result
mundane sightings of balloons, chinese lanterns, flares, RC models etc. this is
getting boring.

I know those wishing lanterns cause my aunt got one for christmas... when we used it we said "hey they look like UFO's" BUT but they neither blinked nor stayed in the same place for 4 hours.

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OK, so you're saying the orange flickering chinese lanterns were the blinking triangle and the BLUE pulsating light in the sky which stuck around for 4 hours?????? These objects in question filmed by PlaysDrumsAlot doesnt look ANYTHING like a chinese lantern or a group of them. Believe me, im all for getting to the bottom of this, but I just dont buy the chinese lantern theory whatsoever...

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
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OK, so you're saying the orange flickering chinese lanterns were the blinking triangle and the BLUE pulsating light in the sky which stuck around for 4 hours?????? These objects in question filmed by PlaysDrumsAlot doesnt look ANYTHING like a chinese lantern or a group of them. Believe me, im all for getting to the bottom of this, but I just dont buy the chinese lantern theory whatsoever...

I'm not saying that, it's CBS News WTVR who is presenting new information result of
an investigation they made therefore it's their statement. If you have any complaint
contact them. Of course you failed to present the other part of the story or should
I say the Update wich is important because CBS is doing a job researching while you
are not following the developments on the case or intentionally ignoring this update.

The case is still controversial and we have now a group of witnesses claiming to a
tv reporter they released lanterns causing a confusion, this is news also and they
presented images so their testimonies must be taken in count in this investigation
like it or not. We have seen hundreds of cases of chinese lanterns mistaken for
UFOs before, if this is the case we must get to the truth by listening to all the
available informations.

Regarding the blue thing in the sky it could be not the same object that Allen saw
but a different one, it could be the chinese lanterns etc. it looks different than the
three white lights. Regarding the four hours of sighting there is no evidence this
statement is true just his word and there is no video to support this claim, it was
just a statement made to a tv reporter but not confirmed as fact.

You see ziggy in order to be a good researcher you must be objective and analyze
all the elements in a case, I suggest you wait a prudent time when evaluating a
new case to see if some explanation is provided as a result of an investigation
before jumping to conclusions based in a fuzzy Youtube video and a statement,
UFO reserach requires more than that, profound analysis, proper evaluation, a
field investigation like this made by WTVR. We can't be certain that these lights
were those chinese lanterns released in a wedding maybe it is a coincidence but
we can't ignore this possibility either so be objective and don't get emotions affect
your judgement. By the way check Allan response, he is requesting information so
we can get an explanation to this. Shouldn't you do the same?

Sometimes objective UFO research may seem cruel but it's necessary to get to the
thruth.

Originally posted by free_spirit

Originally posted by playdrumsalot
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hey guys, its me Allan (playdrumsalot). I originally saw and shot the video and will tell you this thing was unlike anything ive ever seen. Let me just make this clear, it was not a kite or a balloon. thats just nonsense. It was clearly something flying bc I saw it in person. feel free to email me at [email protected] Please do me a favor and post the video everywhere so we can get an explanation to this. I want to reach out to the masses and see what they think.

I'm sorry Allan but it seems CBS News WTVR Richmond Virginia just debunked you.
It seems the lights were chinese lanterns released during a wedding. Check their
new report with witnesses. Better luck next time.

www.wtvr.com...

As we can see the actual paranoia is ongoing with reports by the media that result
mundane sightings of balloons, chinese lanterns, flares, RC models etc. this is
getting boring.

I never ignored any part of this case, all i've done is try to get more information, more witness', and the actual person who filmed this to join our conversation here at ATS. I do work two jobs and sometimes its hard to keep up with every aspect of this case as it happens.

I never saw this investigative footage by the news station until you posted the link today. I may not be as good as you with my 'investigations' here, but im doing my best, and have done nothing purposely wrong. I havent jumped to any conclusions, but you clearly told the person who filmed this they have been debunked by the newsstation in your above statement. I kind of got the, 'case closed' feeling from your post. maybe i misunderstood how you were saying that??

I am using nothing but common sense here by saying the objects in the OP look nothing like chinese lanterns. I value your opinion Free_Spirit, but please dont challenge my integrity as I have done nothing wrong whatsoever and have not tried to withhold information for any reason...Cases like this help me learn more investigative techniques and with each day Im just trying to get better and better.

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Then let's check the video by Allan to see if we understand each other.
I said this is a fuzzy video of lights because this is what Allan provided.
I analyzed the footage the best I could and discovered the lights Allan
recorded are behind some trees at the distance, that is the impression
I have from the fuzzy video and if I'm wrong correct me you or Allan
himself posting the same view but at daytime.

If Allan made a recording of some lights behind a tree and at far distance
how can we say these lights are UFOs, the movements and blinkings the
three lights show are in fact produced by the branches of the tree and
the movements of the cameraman by consequence not the actual movements
and features of the lights, they are distorted by the branches making an
illusion.

Video Frame A shows the trees when Allan started the recording. Watch again
the video frame by frame to confirm.



Video Frame B shows the lights behind a tree while Allan makes a slow zoom.



Video Frame D shows now the three lights behind the tree.



Video Frame C is the same but inverted to distinguish the three lights.



The second issue here is the statement by Allan that the lights remained there
for 4 hours but his footage tells a different story, his video is just 55 seconds long
and no second longer video has been provided by him to confirm his testimony.
This issue presents a problem of credibility because the witness has not proved
the alleged 4 hours of sighting, why did he just recorded 55 seconds of an alleged
UFO sighting and not more time like many other UFO videos we know, this was
a extremely short evidence and if these lights were recorded behind a tree then
we have a very weak case, now you see what I meant.

It would be very helpful if Allan provide a daytime view of the same location to
confirm or discard these were in fact trees behind that house causing the recording
to be confusing. Also a new statement by him saying why did he recorded just those
55 seconds and not more of the lights if indeed they were there 4 hours. If we can
get more elements in this case by the witness then we may continue the analysis
trying to get an explanation, if we don't get his response we may say case closed
due to inconclusive evidence.

Originally posted by playdrumsalot
reply to post by ziggyproductions05

 

hey guys, its me Allan (playdrumsalot). I originally saw and shot the video and will tell you this thing was unlike anything ive ever seen. Let me just make this clear, it was not a kite or a balloon. thats just nonsense. It was clearly something flying bc I saw it in person. feel free to email me at [email protected] Please do me a favor and post the video everywhere so we can get an explanation to this. I want to reach out to the masses and see what they think.

Originally posted by playdrumsalot

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
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Nice to see you here my friend!!! Welcome to ATS! You'll have a great time here! I know a few members had some questions throughout this thread for you, is there anyway you could answer those?? I also wanted to ask you if you could post any more footage you may have filmed of the object? The more footage we have the more we can get it out there and the better we can figure out what this could be..Thanks again for signing up and I look forward to hearing from you!!! here are a few questions I have...

1-Was there anyone else who may have filmed this you know of?
2-Was there a specific shape you saw or just lights?
3-Was there any noise the object made?
4-Could you estimate how high the object was?
5-Were there any helicopters or other aircraft flying through the sky when you sighted this?
6-Did the object just dissapear or did you see it take off?

thanks again my friend

1- I dont know of anyone who filmed this particular object. I have yet to come across any similar footage of the UFO I saw.
2- The only shape I could see was the triangular light pattern.
3- The object made absolutely no noise.
4- I would say the object was the same distance a police helicopter would fly. It is the same as if I were to hold a dime out in front of me with my arms fully extended.5- There were not any planes or aircraft in the sky while I saw this object. It was up for several hours.
6- That night I had company from out of town. I told them I was going on the porch for a cigarette. I noticed the UFO, then went back inside to get them. We stared at it for quite some time. I then filmed the object in the location you see in the video. This thing eventually made it to the other side of my house. It was indeed way too high and lengthy in time to be a motorized kite. It wasn't close to the trees like it seemed. Cars stopped in the middle of the road to look at it. Tons of people were following it from downtown to where I live. People were very shocked and everyone was reacting in an unexplainable way. People from all over were talking like we had known each other for a long time and everyone got a weird vibe from the flying object.

Originally posted by playdrumsalot
I looked through my camera footage and the other footage was just me trying to get a good view of the object, nothing worth watching. Also, my youtube video is copyrighted, therefore I wont be able to post any other footage. I appreciate everyone who had positive feedback about the video and who stands behind me on my sighting. I will be glad to answer any questions. I want you all to know that people making outlandish comments saying that they filmed it, uploading my video to youtube, saying it was a lantern they released on their wedding, even saying it didn't move across the sky. As I said before, this thing went from East to West as I watched it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however, dont try to shut something down that you know nothing about. keep an open mind. I wish I was capable of a hoax this realistic. I have proof that nothing was done to the video, because it is all still on my handycam that I ran inside to get. My iphone wouldnt zoom in close enough. Thanks guys

Free_Spirit, thanks for your analysis and help with this. I sent Allan an email and he is going to record some daytime footage for comparison for us here and it will hopefully be up by tommorow. I included some questions I asked and his answers above in case you didnt see this, it adds a little more information about his sighting. I included some of his other posts, some of the important stuff I made bold. I also asked Allan to post the rest of the footage for analysis, and his reply was this ->

I looked through my camera footage and the other footage was just me trying to get a good view of the object, nothing worth watching.

He brings up a copyright which I dont understand why, its on Youtube already...So from my understanding he didnt film the whole 4 hour incident, but witnessed it that long. He apparently did film longer than what we are shown, but to him it isnt that important (Believe me, I know it IS important and I've asked him to post the footage regardless). I cant tell you why he didnt film longer or post more footage, not everyone knows what to do in a situation like this I guess? I invited him to ATS to discuss this and get more answers and he has been more than cooperative with me about everything I ask. He's also given me his phone number for quicker, easier communication. I'll do my best to get the rest of the footage and hopefully some testimony from the other witness'. Hopefully I helped with your questions. I will keep you updated as well as this thread with any information I learn. You are also more than welcome to contact Allan, his e-mail is posted throughout this thread and at the end of his video.

Well unfortunately the person who filmed this emailed me and said he doesnt want to participate in this conversation anymore, which is understandable. I guess some people just arent as interested in finding exactly what this is as we are..I encourage PlaysDrumsAlot to stick around ATS and hopefully we'll hear from him again.

MODS, i really have nothing more to go on now that the witness wont participate and wont be adding daytime footage of the area, additional witness testimony, and or more footage of the actual UFO..Sorry everyone, I really tried my best to figure out what this was. Thank you Free_Spirit for your analysis of the video.

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Ziggyproductions05.....

Thank you for a very interesting thread.

I enjoy your approach very much.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

To say that a bag with a candle looks like the video in this thread is to compare apples and backhoes.

To say "the witness has a credibility" problem is to evidence a lack of understanding of credibility. The fact that he doenst have 4 hours of footage of the ufo doesnt effect his credibility at all. I know your not a lawyer or a judge so you wouldnt necessarily know what exactly is credibility and what is a desire for more proof.

The newsreel of candles doesnt debunk anything. it merely adds a question.

If you caught the op in a lie than you would effect his credibility. Until then it is common practice in courts and it should be in life that a witness is presumed credible until proven otherwise. Because there wasnt a landing and aliens did not deplane this will be like every other ufo video - an analysis to a point of question. Some will be debunked.

By no means has this been debunked by descriptive alternative object or by issues of credibility.

It's mysterious just to say U.F.O. When we think or hear someone say ufo we automatically think a martian space ship from another planet or something. U.F.O , means unidentified, flying , object. Now this could mean a kite, a frisbee, military crafts, a bowl, a chinease lantern kite, a weather balloon, or anything else you happen to throw in front of a camera. If you cannot make out the object in general, then you call it a U.F.O. Just because you cannot make out the object, doesn't mean it is E.T from outer space in his ship. I't could be almost anything. Lots of videos these days show an object and the object in question is automatically called a U.F.O. and people think of E.T. when actually , the object in question is only a chinease lanturn kite or something. I have yet to see a up close, clear E.T flying spacecraft, a true alien ship flying around or parked. Show me just one, it will take you some time to do so, even if you accidentely found one on the internet. Out of 5000 videos or pics you might find just one that is real, but even that is not up close and clear. SHOW ME JUST ONE, I DARE YOU.

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Nite owl.....

Out of 5000 videos or pics you might find just one that is real, but even that is not up close and clear. SHOW ME JUST ONE, I DARE YOU.

Revisiting The 1994 Nellis Air Force Base UFO Video

Maybe...maybe not