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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by UltimateCynic
No one can percieve of anything before they are alive, because they don't have the physical contructs to percieve.
What makes people think you can percieve after death.
Originally posted by vinay86
reply to post by schuyler
We all want out from this cycle of pain and torture and discover what really is the truth. We are existing in many realities simultaneously and the load of all those realities is acting upon us, so even if you get material comforts in one life in others you may be under severe poverty. This is pure torture of the soul in all fronts both material and spiritual.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Jezus
Perception is the same as sensation as far as the brain allows for them, take the brain out and perception and sensation are gone.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
Clearly you have more evidence that you go on in the afterlife and that Hell and Heaven exists and that some super duper overlord of the universe is there waiting for you.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Jezus
I want to how you know this, if this is the case, and if you don't know, what makes you suggest or believe in afterlife hypothesis?
3. ON THE EVIDENCE
In the fall of 1964 an interesting meeting was held one evening in Los Angeles. It was composed of some twenty assorted psychiatrists, psychologists, scientists, and myself. It was a most rewarding evening. The purpose of the meeting was to examine with sincerity and seriousness his experiences and experiments which have been condensed herein. After several hours of interrogation by the group, it was my turn. I asked two simple questions of each of them: “If you were going through what I have been experiencing, what would you do?”
It was the definite opinion of the majority—-more than two thirds—-that every effort should be made to continue, such experimentation in the hope of enlightening and expanding man's knowledge of himself. Several half seriously stated that I should run, not walk, to the nearest psychiatrist. (None present offered his services.)
The second question: “Would you, personally, take part in experiments that would lead to the creation of such unusual activity in yourself?”
Here, the pattern changed somewhat. About half stated their willingness to participate. Oddly, in this group were some of those who were most skeptical of the reality of such experiences. Of course, this gave me the opportunity to nudge gently those who were in favor of continued experiments. When it came to the dive into the cold, strange waters, let someone else do it. And in many ways, I don't blame them. If presented to me twelve years ago, I doubt that I would have volunteered.
Why did the group bother to assemble? Curiosity, perhaps. Or again, it may have been some of the evidential material that had been accumulated, I hope the latter. Here are some of the key reports from the notes, which aroused their interest.
9/10/58 Afternoon
Again, I floated upward, with the intent of visiting Dr. Bradshaw and his wife. Realizing that Dr. Bradshaw was ill in bed with a cold, I thought I would visit him in the bedroom, which was a room I had not seen in his house and if I could describe it later, could thus document my visit. Again came the turning in air, the dive into the tunnel, and this time the sensation of going uphill (Dr. and Mrs. Brad-shaw live in a house some five miles from my office, up a hill). I was over trees and there was a light sky above. Momentarily, I saw (in the sky?) a figure of a rounded human form, seemingly dressed in robes and a headpiece on his head (an oriental concept remains), sitting, arms in lap, perhaps cross-legged a la Buddha; then it faded. I don't know the meaning of this. After a while, the uphill travel became difficult, and I had the feeling that the energy was leaving, and I felt I wouldn't make it.
With this thought, an amazing thing happened. It felt precisely as if someone had placed a hand under each arm and lifted me. I felt a surge of lifting power, and I rushed quickly up the hill. Then I came upon Dr. and Mrs. Bradshaw. They were outside the house, and for a moment I was confused, as I had reached them before I got to the house. I didn't understand this because Dr. Bradshaw was supposed to be in bed. Dr. Bradshaw was dressed in light overcoat and hat, his wife in a dark coat and all dark clothes. They were coming toward me, so I stopped. They seemed in good spirits, and walked past me unseeing, in the direction of a smaller building, like a garage, Brad trailing behind as they walked.
I floated around in front of them, waving, trying to get their attention without result. Then without turning his head, I thought I heard Dr. Bradshaw say to me, “Well, I see you don't need help any more”. Thinking I had made contact, I dove back into the ground (?), and returned to the office, rotated into the body and opened my eyes. Everything was just as I had left it. The vibration was still present, but I felt I had enough for one day.
Important aftermath: we phoned Dr. and Mrs. Bradshaw that evening. I made no statement other than to ask where they were between four and five that afternoon. (My wife, upon hearing of the visit, said flatly it was not possible, could not be so because Dr. Bradshaw was home in bed sick.) With Mrs. Bradshaw on the phone, I asked the simple question. She stated that roughly at four twenty-five they were walking out of the house toward the garage. She was going to the post office, and Dr. Bradshaw had decided that perhaps some fresh air might help him, and had dressed and gone along. She knew the time by back-checking from the time they arrived at the post office, which was twenty minutes to five. It takes roughly fifteen minutes to drive to the post office from their house. I had come back from my trip to them at approximately four twenty-seven. I asked what they were wearing. Mrs. Bradshaw stated she was wearing black slacks, and a red sweater which was covered with a black car coat. Dr. Bradshaw was wearing a light hat and a light-colored topcoat. However, neither “saw” me in any way or were aware of my presence. Dr. Bradshaw had no memory of saying anything to me. The great point is that I had expected to find him in bed, and didn't.
The coincidences involved were too much. It was not important to prove this to anyone else. Only to me. It proves to me—-truly for the first time—-that there might well be more to this than normal science and psychology and psychiatry allow-—more than an aberration, trauma, or hallucination—-and I needed some form of proof more than anyone else, I am sure. It is a simple incident, but unforgettable.
In this visit to Dr. Bradshaw and his wife, the time of visit coincides with the physical event. The autosuggestion hallucination factor is negative. I expected to find Dr. Bradshaw in bed in the house, but did not do so and was puzzled by the inconsistency. Identical reports with conditions of actual events:
(1) Location of Dr. Bradshaw and his wife.
(2) Position of the two relative to each other.
(3) The actions of the two.
(4) Wearing apparel of the two.
Possibility of unconscious pre-knowledge through earlier observation of the above:
(1) Negative, had no information of their change in plans or time habits of post office visits.
(2) Indeterminate, consciously at least unaware of who walks first.
(3) Negative, would have no pre-knowledge of their walking across to the garage in such fashion.
(4) Indeterminate, may have observed both in similar dress, but expected to find only one (Dr. Bradshaw), in bedclothes.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Jezus
I'm not simplifying it at all, before you were born, you didn't exist, you didn't have a brain therefore you didn't have any sensation or even any perception of existence let alone the reality around you.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
I want to how you know this, if this is the case, and if you don't know, what makes you suggest or believe in afterlife hypothesis?