Who Will Obama Scapegoat For The Economy, History Repeats Itself, Hitler Did It To The Jews?

Originally posted by The dragon is taking over
Ok, so the big question is then, how do we fight it? What do we as a people do to overcome everything. I see everything being pointed out, but no action in the other direction.

Well, this is where freedom of choice, critical thinking, and as well non-partisan thinking takes over.

We as citizens need to examine the policy experience, the ties to what corporations, past and present, meaning who a politician is corporately tied to either through previously working there, or funded from them, and as well any corporate ties in the future due to a corporation offering a job after leaving politics, these are all important and critical information points.

Now, one quick example, from the previous Administration :

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Former Vice-President Richard Cheney, a.k.a Dick Cheney, a.k.a. Friend/Duck-Hunt Enthusiast

Quote from : Wikipedia : Dick Cheney

Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney (born January 30, 1941) served as the 46th Vice President of the United States from 2001 to 2009 under George W. Bush.

He briefly served as Acting President of the United States on two occasions during which Bush underwent medical procedures.

Cheney was raised in Casper, Wyoming.

He began his political career as an intern for Congressman William A. Steiger, eventually working his way into the White House during the Nixon and Ford administrations, where he served the latter as White House Chief of Staff.

In 1978, Cheney was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Wyoming; he was reelected five times, eventually becoming House Minority Whip.

Cheney was selected to be the Secretary of Defense during the presidency of George H. W. Bush, holding the position for the majority of Bush's term. During this time, Cheney oversaw the 1991 Operation Desert Storm, among other actions.

Out of office during the Clinton presidency, Cheney was chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000.

Now, obviously he had political ties which assisted him, prior to his being a C.E.O. of Halliburton, but they gained.

Due to his gaining the Vice-Presidency and his previous ties he was someone we should have all demanded taken off the Republican ticket.

Hindsight being 20/20 and people ignorantly believing in the benevolence of politicians lead us into the Iraq War.

Thanks in part to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and Cheney's ties to Halliburton, which is tied to the current economy.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Halliburton

Halliburton (NYSE: HAL) is the world's second largest oilfield services corporation with operations in more than 70 countries. It has hundreds of subsidiaries, affiliates, branches, brands and divisions worldwide and employs over 50,000 people.

The company has its headquarters in the North Belt office in Houston, Texas, and in offices in Dubai, United Arab Emirates (opened March, 2007) where Chairman and CEO David J. Lesar works and resides, "to Focus [the] Company’s Eastern Hemisphere Growth."

The company will remain incorporated in the United States.

Halliburton's major business segment is the Energy Services Group (ESG).

ESG provides technical products and services for petroleum and natural gas exploration and production.

Halliburton's former subsidiary, KBR, is a major construction company of refineries, oil fields, pipelines, and chemical plants.

Halliburton announced on April 5, 2007 that it had finally broken ties with KBR, which had been its contracting, engineering and construction unit as a part of the company for 44 years.

Due to ties with Halliburton and as well the Project for the New American Century Cheney got us mired overseas.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by neoconservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

The next step is to get actively involved in local politics, this is something vital, knowing what is going on locally.

Volunteering to assist during voting, speaking to the local politicians, even volunteering to work on their staff.

I volunteered to work on two different local politicians staff a few years back but due to time constraints I was unable.

If a state politician or federal politicial or nominee comes to your locale go to the meet and greet.

There is literally an unlimited amount of oppoturnities to get personally involved and racheting up our policy knowledge.

As well, I have referenced it in other threads, know your Government and how it works through books.

The Complete Idiot's Guide to U.S. Government and Politics

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Amazon Review :

Understanding how our government functions and the political forces that influence it is vital for all Americans.

As a comprehensive overview and history of the subject, this book is designed to help anyone interested in learning about our government and the origins of its complex inner workings, our political system, and key elements that have affected our growth as a nation- all while serving as the best supplementary reading a student can get.

*Author is an experienced Advanced Placement teacher

*Students looking to take AP exams are a ready audience-along with citizenship applicants and CNN junkies

*Large renewable market

*Suitable as supplemental reading for coursework

Raising funds to get into those high-stakes dinners is another way as well as opening a non-profit.

Nonprofit Kit For Dummies

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Amazon Review :

Tips and techniques to help your nonprofit thrive in any economy

Due to the recent downturn in the economy, a significant number of nonprofit organizations have experienced a major decrease in funding and contributions.

Nonprofit Kit for Dummies, 3rd Edition caters to these organizations and shows you how your nonprofit can thrive and survive even in the current economic climate.

With 25% new and revised material, Nonprofit Kit For Dummies, 3rd Edition offers new tips and information on everything you need to navigate the process of setting up and effectively running a nonprofit organization.

Covers raising money, applying for grants, and developing the perfect mission statement

Details on how state laws vary; conducting program evaluations; and conforming to accounting standards

CD includes forms, worksheets, templates, and more

Whether you're thinking about starting your own nonprofit or are already working in the sector, Nonprofit Kit For Dummies, 3rd Edition is a valuable source for getting the latest information and practical advice on running a prosperous nonprofit organization.

And getting organized within your own community through personal involvement can lead to your own think-tank.

The Competition of Ideas: The World of the Washington Think Tanks

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Amazon Review :

Murray Weidenbaum has been a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a speaker at meetings at the Brookings Institution, the Cato Institute, and the Heritage Foundation and has also written for their publications, and served as a reviewer of ongoing studies.

In The Competition of Ideas, Weidenbaum examines the political economy of these vital institutions, drawing heavily on several decades of involvement in their activities.

He is uniquely able to see their accomplishments as well as their shortcomings.

Because of the importance of the activities of their organizations, and their tax-exempt status, think tanks are held to a high standard.

Weidenbaum shows that sometimes think tanks are more tank than think - major think tanks are often predictable in the positions they take on public issues and are far better at analyzing the shortcomings of other elements of society than of their own operations.

The overarching issue of quality control, Weidenbaum holds, deserves more attention than it has attained in the think tank world.

This book presents a careful, balanced account of where think tanks have been and where thay are now headed.

Given the high levels of professionalism in many think tanks, a fundamental change in the attitude of their management is important.

The compelling need is less for the wielder of policy than for the lucid synthesizer of relevant research and analysis.

Likewise, society needs sensitivity to the long-term concerns of the citizenry more urgently than rapid response to the opportunities of the moment.

Future competition, particularly among the major think tanks, could well be centered, not on achieving greater visibility, but on developing responses to economic, environmental, and national security problems that are likely to be adopted and carried out.

Murray Weidenbaum is Edward Mallinckrodt Distinguished University Professor of Economics at Washington University in St. Louis and Honorary Chairman of the Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government and Public Policy.

He was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to Ronald Reagan and also served as a member of Reagan’s Economic Policy Advisory Board.

He is the author of numerous books including Business and Government in the Global Marketplace, One-Armed Economist (Transaction), and The Bamboo Network.

That is of course a very limited outline of a plan and depending upon the community it needs more individual fine-tuning.

Originally posted by reaganero
i have no problem with your content but i think your title for the thread is a bit much. it sort of implies an association between obama and hitler. i realize that helps get people to read the thread but to me it seems a little of a low blow and amateur.

Well, thank you for being critical of the individual, instead of the message.

And as well thank you for not adding more to your thoughts.

I can see why people like yourself get easily ruffled feathers as I see correlations very much so.

An association between Hitler and Obama, but only in the sense of the state of the economy, then and now.

And as well everyone was crying, complaining, whining, and bitching about Bush and the F.E.M.A. Camps.

When Bush was in office and they claimed he was a Nazi and the same as Hitler and his family is directly linked.

So this is the other side of the coin so to speak and examining the polar opposite side of the politicial aisle.

Through the eyes of history, the eyes on the economy, and people scapegoating others to gain power.

I prefer referring to Hitler rather than Stalin in this instance because Germany was economically depressed.

So were a lot of nations who came through the Great Depression which is also tied to the WWII world economy.

And there have been any people which have related this current economy as harkening back to pre-WWII.

If there was any low-blow it was not on my part because everything I have said here I would say to Obama in person.

Would you have the temerity, the balls, or the personal convictions to stand up for your beliefs to President Obama?

I know I do considering I am a bully-buster and I use policy, procedure, and protocol on a daily basis.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

You know Spart, it all grinds to a halt when collectively we just STOP, participating.
We stop = it stops.
BUT getting everyone to go along with that, wont happen until the disaster is so big so out of control that there is no other option but, to stop!
By that time, there will be a lot of dead and wounded.
People laugh, say its not possible, not going to happen, I dont see where there is an alternative being offered.
Yet.... 'if' we just stopped.
Hey we both know how we feel about what's being telegraphed and what's coming, it really does make a person feel frustrated that they cant help or cant do anything except protect their own,
there's alot of good people that are hurting and going to hurt more over the actions of a select few greedy evil bastardos.
τον έρωτα της ζωής είναι κάτι για να πεθάνει για

The problem with ceasing our participation is these bastards will not stop and will just make up statistics.

What we need instead is to know more about politicis, inside and out, and upside down.

I am not just talking about ATS, I am talking about the general populace of America, those people who are clueless.

The thing most people miss is that Obama only influences and or controls what happens at the very top.

There is a complete system of checks and balances between him and us and the President cannot control that.

He can maneuver, manipulate, and or influence it directly through Presidential Directives and Exceutive Orders.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Presidential Directive

Presidential Directives, better known as Presidential Decision Directives or PDD are a form of an executive order issued by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the National Security Council.

As a National Security instrument, the PDD articulates the executive's policy, carries the "full force and effect of law", and throughout the terms of presidents, have taken on various titles or intents towards national security policy.

Since many of the Presidential Directives pertain to the national security of the United States, many were or are promulgated as classified.

Various presidents since the administration of John F. Kennedy have issued such directives but under different names.

...and...

Quote from : Executive Order (United States)

An executive order in the United States is an order issued by the President, the head of the executive branch of the federal government.

In other countries, similar edicts may be known as decrees, or orders-in-council.

Executive orders may also be issued at the state level by a state's Governor or at the local level by the city's Mayor.

U.S. Presidents have issued Executive Orders since 1789, usually to help officers and agencies of the Executive branch manage the operations within the Federal Government itself.

Executive orders do have the full force of law since issuances are typically made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, some of which specifically delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation), or are believed to have their authority for issuances based in a power inherently granted to the Executive by the Constitution.

It is these cited or perceived justifications made by a President when authoring Executive Orders that have come under criticism for exceeding Executive authority and have been subject to legal proceedings even at various times throughout U.S. history concerning the legal validity or justification behind an order's issuance.

He does not control each state.

He does not control each county.

He does not control each city.

This is where we are within our rights to get personally involved and become shakers and movers ourselves.

And of course personal interpretation of policy comes into play as well.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
REPLY TO ORIGINAL POST TITLE: While there might be some merit to your thread, the title is slanted and reveals a limited perspective. Suddenly Obama is comparible to Hitler? I don't see anyone being "scape-goated." Just because "history repeats itself" doesn't mean that Obama will become our modern-day Hitler. That is an assertion that you have not proven. You might as well say Sarah Palin will be the next Hitler because "history repeats itself." It's as good a case for her as it is for Obama, or anyone else with your logic. It's unfair to compare anyone to Hitler just because "history repeats itself." It DOES REVEAL your biased point of view.

edit on 19-10-2010 by GhostLancer because: Clarification

So, what you're saying, is you have an issue with the title, and cannot get past that?

I'm not going to get mixed into a conflict with you over the title because the content is more important.

Remember the old adage of never judging a book by its cover.

Obviously you're limiting yourself because I am asking a question of people and if you see no one being scapegoated.

Well, then, there's your answer, as limited as it was to commenting upon the title.

I do not have to prove Obama is the next Hitler because I am asking the question of ATS'ers.

Instead of speaking at length on your perspective you have done nothing to contribute to the actual conversation.

Except bitch about my usage of Hitler and Obama in the same question.

The only person biased here is yourself because I've actually spoken at length on Bush as well.

And he has been comparable to Hitler as well and his family actually has ties to Nazi Germany.

How about discussing the merits of what I have pointed out and not focusing on the title or myself?

Thanks.

I don't know who Obama will scapegoat but I can't rationalize how we can have +70 million baby boomer getting Social Security and Medicare, plus another half a million on Social Security disability...Couple million on DOD's payroll as GI's or civil servants, 20 million working under Federal contracts....50 million on Food Stamps...Banks all nationalized now....GM nationalized........45 million illegals getting free section 8 and healthcare......

Who's paying for the Hyper Socialism and how??? somebody's getting robbed. In the private sector us pee on's can't make enough money to buy a home.

In 1990 I made $5 an hour and 400 hours of my labor would get my 1 acre of land.
I miss those days. I will never make enough money today to buy a home....atleast in the United States anyways.

Originally posted by Eye of Horus
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

I didn't know about IBM and the Nazi's.
I'll go dump my IBM stock.

2nd line

Yes sir.

I.B.M. was deeply involved within WWII on both sides of the Axis and Allies.

Other corporations were as well and were found out just as I.B.M. got found out by our Federal Government.

Edwin Black : IBM and the Holocaust


It is humorous to see I.B.M. squirm when they are caught twisting in the wind.

Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M. and the Holocaust : Company Response

While not directly contradicting Black's evidence, IBM has questioned Black's research methodology and conclusions.

IBM indicates it does not have much information about this period or the operations of Dehomag, as most documents were destroyed or lost during the war.

IBM also claimed that a lawsuit, which was dismissed, was filed to coincide with the book launch.

In 2002, IBM disputed Edwin Black's claim that IBM is withholding materials regarding this era in its archives.

Nevertheless, IBM subsequently turned over a substantial portion of it corporate records of the period to academic archives in New York and Stuttgart, for review by independent scholars.

Nevertheless, Edwin Black in his article published in George Mason University's History News Network openly accused IBM advocates in a systematic elimination of references to IBM's role in the Holocaust in the Wikipedia article History of IBM.

It directly ties to the conversation because of the state of Germany's economy was how Hitler scapegoated the Jews, and went after their money, property, and eventually lives, all because of Nazi greed, which eventually lead to the many stories of the hidden Nazi gold, which has turned up in the last five decades through technology.

As exampled by the R.F.I.D., cell phone tracking G.P.S., and OnStar and I've tracked it all down.

Through very detailed research, cross-referencing, and history, general, in depth, and alternate.

Originally posted by mayabong
Even though the fed has been run by just about all so called jews since the beginning and the heads of most major banks such as lloyd blankfein are so called jews. Why blame them? The reason most jews were kicked out of so many countries (a huge number of countries), is because of what they do to the economy. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Having said that, I do not consider these people jews (maybe reptillians, Aliens? lol). The hide behind the jewish mask to avoid criticism, and the innocent jewish people are always herded out with them. Its a darn shame.

Most people also leave out the worldwide boycott of german goods launched by the jews. No they were not trying to cripple germany's economy.

edit on 19-10-2010 by mayabong because: (no reason given)

Okay, you're going off on a dangerous tangent, and beginning to sound anti-Semitic.

This is not what I began the thread about in any sense because you're focusing on Jews only.

Personally, I prefer referring to the Jews, as Israelis without the connotation of "Jews".

I only used the name in the title because most people refer to Israelis as "Jews".

Please, speak to the whole topic, and not one particular part of it because it shows a lack of depth.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


Hey, I never said he was going to be like Hitler, I asked if he would scapegoat people, like Hitler did.

Now I am wondering if you're scapegoating the Tea Party by inference.

The Tea Party is in its infancy and as well does not have the influence of the Democrat's or Republican's.

Both of those old parties use propaganda to the hilt, so Glenn Beck is not alone.

All political parties use propaganda and spin control just as much as all politicians do.

It is of course limited by their scope and wallets.

Originally posted by 0ne10
I can't believe you guys don't remember... Obama was Bush's scapegoat. The economy was tanking before Obama even took office. Don't believe me? Research it yourself.

edit on 19-10-2010 by 0ne10 because: (no reason given)

Can you provide a link or more specific information about that?

And I have no doubt Bush was an idiot and tried to blame Obama for something he was doing.

Just as much as I have no doubt Obama could easily point to Bush for something he did.

That is the exact point of the thread and the premise on which it was built that scapegoats are used.

Just as much as the patsy.

reply to post by cbaskins


No problem.

I speak to the middle ground and toss aside partisan rhetoric because I hold to neither side.

A bird cannot flap one wing or another both must work in tandem or it will fall like a rock.

Our nation is deplorable with fiscal irresponsibility but it starts at the very top of the pile.

With a National Deficit that is never meant to be paid down in any way due to it being an example.

Something our politicians want the public to see and follow and live by so as to never get ourselves out of debt.

Let alone our country.

Including through example the Military Industrial Complex through spending faster than it is taken in.

The war machine feeds upon money it does not deserve and does not need to hedge up a military barely needed.

Hence why wars are started for no other reason than to make a reason to spend money.

From WWII :

Wall Street and FDR

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Wall Street and FDR : Digital Copy

To the relationship with Wall Street :

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

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Amazon Review :

This important book goes into the role of Morgan banking executives in funneling illegal Bolshevik gold into the U.S. and how the American Red Cross was co-opted by powerful forces on Wall Street.

It also tells of Wall Streeters who intervened to free Leon Trotsky, even though Trotsky's stated aim was to engineer 'the real revolution'... The Soviet coup which toppled Kerensky, and much more.

To those monsters they raise and fell :

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

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SKL's Amazon Review :

This book is quite literally a tell all of all the names of who financed Adolph Hitler's rise to power by financial means. The man didn't get into power just by his lies, but by lies of other men too, the men with power, with money, and influence, and the access to Wall Street. You would be surprised to see the names within this book that financed "the funny little man, with the funny little mustache" that almost took over the entire world.

I will not ruin the book for you by telling all the names in it, but I will tell you two men's name I know you will instantly recognize.

Henry Ford & Edsel Ford. Yes, those "Ford's", from Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford even got the highest award the Nazi's could give to a foreigner, in recognition of his assistance to Adolph Hitler, and his picture hung in Hitler's office.

Just so you know, I am not a fan of the Nazi's, nor am I a racist of any kind, nor a fan of Adolph Hitler. I'm following a papertrail to find out all the names of who helped the man get into power to begin with, because I am someone who knows there's more to history than what they teach you in school. It doesn't just come down to the lies a politician tells the people who put them in office, but to the power-brokers who finance the man. Adolph Hitler was a politician, plain and simple. He knew how to lie to the people and give them comfort through manipulative persuasion and then when the people willingly gave him the power he went for the throat of the world.

Another good book that tells the details of who assisted Hitler that you may be able to find here on Amazon is, "IBM and the Holocaust."

Yes, I am talking about that "IBM" here too. They helped Hitler track down the Jews and other "undesirables" (Hitler's words, not Mine) through the use of the census and the Hollerith Card Sorting Machine.

To the secrets kept in our name to keep us in the dark like mushrooms being spoonfed crap.

Blank Check: The Pentagon's Black Budget

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Library Journal : Amazon Review :

In this book based on his Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles for the Philadelphia Inquirer , journalist Weiner probes the way the Pentagon has used secret budgets to fund huge military programs.

This has grown to the point that there are now more than 100 multimillion- and multibillion-dollar weapons systems, many of them nuclear weapons designed to fight and win World Wars III and IV, built without the awareness of the public or even the Congress.

Weiner takes a close look at programs such as the Stealth bomber and provides fascinating detail from Congressional testimony.

The thesis of the book--that secrecy in government military programs is antithetical to democracy--is well documented and hugely important.

As the Cold War draws to a close and military budgets come under attack, the public and Congress may tend to forget the defense establishment's inclination toward secrecy and self-perpetuation.

Weiner's book serves as a timely reminder that this would be unwise.

Highly recommended. - Jennifer Scarlott, World Policy Inst., New York Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc.

And the slush-funds only get bigger and the war machine larger and our rights smaller.

Originally posted by kid_cudi
Quite honestly it does not matter and he better blame nobody because it is his own damn fault and the economy ends up in a # hole every single time there is a new presidnt in office. Every four to eight years, thats every 4 to 8 years, the economy goes down hill and then it reahbilitates itself. It nothing more than the doing of a new president in office.

I can concur with you because I see it happen every year an election happens.

As I've said before half of this mess is on Bush and half of it is on Obama.

It is a disturbing cycle of ignorance in concurrence with a populace controlled by the Secret Societies.

Originally posted by ripcontrol
reply to post by Fiberx

 

There is no evil in those ideas... They in and of themselves are noble ideas...

The problem is the first part of what I quoted in that they were used for quite different aims. The means of socialism is the way dictators set up control. These are the words used by others then just hitler... Stalin as well, Mao as well...

His words sound socialistic in that they are about a redistribution of wealth... Who are the redistributors and what is this based on?

Well I suppose it depends on what wealth is "redistributed".

I support the idea that average Joe should be paid better. It is in fact a fundamental of capitalism that has been tossed in the trash bin for the sake of those that hoard the money. Capitalism depends on spending and fewer and fewer people can spend these days.

This view doesn't imply that I would like to see the government seize that rich guys house and bank accounts and then cut me a check for my share. It implies that that guy is getting more than he deserves and that someone should provide him/his company with the proper encouragement to pay his employees better.

After all, a more well heeled public makes for more consumers, more demand, more profits for these companies...more tax dollars.

So if you get more specific than "some socialists once said this and that" the ideas are not doomed to lead to despotism.

It is not the "noble" goal, it is all in the execution.

I might point out that our "capitalist" "democracy" is thoroughly corrupted and as a people we are essentially flying blind as it is.. No one would even know the difference if each president was dictatorial and the rest of the government was just a clown car to entertain the peanut gallery. We are really just a dressed up version of everything we hate, we've just been taught to not see past the clothing.

I wrote about these ideas in previous posts but have been largely overlooked for the more sensational topic of Nazism accusations.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Your going to have to remember, though, that during this time, pre-wwII, people were invested in germany mainly to help see the economy rise again. They didn't know Hitler's true intentions until it was too late. When his true colors showed, lots and lots of investors pulled out, because they did not want to be associated with that.