Did Jesjuah stage his own death in order to escape from it all?

My Reply

To me the Most Accurate Biblical Movie

THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST - HQ Trailer ( 1988 )


What if The Hybrid Demigod that was named Jesus Did Survive to have a Normal Life ? and went towards
his Human Side !

The Last Tempation of Christ - ending


or how about his bloodline thru the Royals ?

Holy Grail Holy Blood
en.wikipedia.org...


The True Meaning of the Holy Blood & Holy Grail (The Blood Series part 2)


Lost Tomb of Jesus - Trailer


The Lost Tomb of Jesus (discovery channel)
dsc.discovery.com...


Hear are Some CLAIMED Fake Deaths from the Famed

Niccolò Machiavelli
en.wikipedia.org...

Jim Morrison
Jim Morrison - Manzarek: 'Morrison's Death May Be A Fake'(Contact Music)
www.contactmusic.com...

The 'Death' of Jim Morrison (Reptilian Agenda )
www.reptilianagenda.com...

Tukac Shakur

Is Tupac Shakur Still Alive? (Cracked.com)
www.cracked.com...

Well there so many Conspiracy's of 2pac ill just let you do the Searching ..
well one Machiavelli Connection with 2pac

All the works you have reported are common deviations made to discredit science, or rather work out a way to invent History. There is NO ancient fellowship still alive today called the Priory de Szion or similar. Holy Blood Holy Grail presents some good ideas, but the punchline sickens all scholars. Period

reply to post by adjensen


I do not post in order to argue, simply to share.
I agree to disagree with you my friend.

Peace to you and yours.

reply to post by kallisti36


["The contemporary and common depiction of Jesus cannot possibly be true because he was Middle Eastern.']

Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?-Mark12.37

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


You did not answer my question about this dream or vision of Ya'shuah. Also, I meant to say earlier that the Canaanites were living in Canaan before the arrival of the Jews, not that they took up residence there. I apologize for the mistake. What are you trying to accomplish with this thread other than deny the ressurection? Are you a gnostic Christian? Do you believe Ya'shuah to be the messiah despite this supposed staged death? Ya'shuah was handled by his own disciples as he was interred in his tomb, how do you suppose he hid his vitality from them? Also, once interred, how would Ya'shuah push aside the stone in front of his tomb from the inside? Back up your claims.

reply to post by Rustami


Since Solomon had sons with a 1000 wives?

And he knew that knowledge and wisdom developed further in time, and wasn't banked back then?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by The Djin
If in the unlikely event that he was a real character then he really didn't suffer that much did he

If you believe that beating, scourging, and being nailed to a cross isn't suffering, then you have a streak of cruelty in you that is pitiable. Nice testimony of the grace of the "humanistic" viewpoint.

You dodged the question my friend (quite common a christian) .

Beating and scourging before crucifixion was standard Roman practice, indeed suffering was the name of the Roman game, so yes if jesus was a real person he would have suffered.

But alas jesus was spared days upon days of suffering compared to other humans that were tortured on the cross.

So there you go jesus got a reprieve and didn't suffer as much and no sacrifice was made as he couldn't die what with being an omnipresent god and all that. He then comes back to life three days later, no doubt while the other guys were still suffering on the cross.

And this type of nonsense lie is taught to little children in order for them to have a lifetime of perpetual guilt !!!

Why have I forsaken me indeed

reply to post by kallisti36


What I am trying to accomplish is to show that History is a growing heap of knowledge, showing that Abraham had NO right tio the land, he simply got his message from the Heavens, from a god of his, and that all of this was based on automatical astrological imperialism. No Jew, myself included, can ever demand to live anywhere where I myself or anyone in my posse would like to live unless we can learn to live side by side in harmony. No bloody book written in blood can ever tell me or my siblings or children that they may live where I brought them unless my children can show at least SOME humiliation. No GOD ever told ANYONE that they might KILL whoever lived there and take their land. It smells of raths, the Tannakh and the Torah. Move to the North Pole, damned Judahites, if you can't being able to live side by side with indigenous people of a land you have no rights to other than from some astrological god invented to inferme a whole world with FASCISM. And my interest is in all man's favours. We are simply getting too many down here. And I have room. At the moon!

Originally posted by The Djin

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by The Djin
If in the unlikely event that he was a real character then he really didn't suffer that much did he

If you believe that beating, scourging, and being nailed to a cross isn't suffering, then you have a streak of cruelty in you that is pitiable. Nice testimony of the grace of the "humanistic" viewpoint.

You dodged the question my friend (quite common a christian) .

I dodged no question, as none was asked.

At what point do you think torture is unacceptable? How many days would Christ have had to hang on the cross before the sadist in you would say he'd "suffered enough"?

That you are proud of this cruelty and insensitivity is disturbing. That you think you hold some sort of moral high ground because of it is appalling.

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: " 'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes' ?-Matthew21.42

See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone-Zechariah3.9

He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.-Revelation1.16

polished to flash like lightning!
" 'Shall we rejoice in the scepter of my son Judah ? The sword despises every such stick.-Ezekiel21.10

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
-John8.58

That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.-Romans9.8

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.-8.29

What is truly unacceptable is that you have been convinced that blood sacrifices are normal , godly, and necessary to give life...

You do not question your texts, you just speak of them, however i am sure you do NOT have a clue about atonement, since none actually exists.

The belief that one can separate from God is the most disturbing part of these texts,, you are NOT independent of god and never can be...nice try believing a book written with a very different agenda than you could ever wrap your head around...

One thing is for sure, you will not have to wait for long to see people doing what jesus actually says to do, recently i have seen how this works, Let thine eye be single, and thy body shall be full of light...

How come no Christians are doing any of these things that he said you could do and more,, why ?? cause you are busy worshipping and believing in the dark stories,, while convincing yourself that they are wonderful amazing gifts to you , what is above is below, but somehow the christians have been manipulated into causing the very problems they indeed think they are solving.

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
What is truly unacceptable is that you have been convinced that blood sacrifices are normal , godly, and necessary to give life...

You do not question your texts, you just speak of them, however i am sure you do NOT have a clue about atonement, since none actually exists.

The belief that one can separate from God is the most disturbing part of these texts,, you are NOT independent of god and never can be...nice try believing a book written with a very different agenda than you could ever wrap your head around...

One thing is for sure, you will not have to wait for long to see people doing what jesus actually says to do, recently i have seen how this works, Let thine eye be single, and thy body shall be full of light...

How come no Christians are doing any of these things that he said you could do and more,, why ?? cause you are busy worshipping and believing in the dark stories,, while convincing yourself that they are wonderful amazing gifts to you , what is above is below, but somehow the christians have been manipulated into causing the very problems they indeed think they are solving.

wonderfully said, awesome reply

thanks for that

reply to post by Rustami


And all your quotes establish Cain as the Son of God. He has seven horns (avenged seven fold) and seven eyes (seven sons in his range) and still the Church of Satan also known as Catholic universalism teach that Cain is Satan. Bloody Krewderwelsch if you ask me! Cain is my first son, for I am Adam I am Man, I am the father of all children, says the Christ. These freeloaders who call themselves Chrtistians and still degrade and humiliate the greatest forgiver in this world..... is damned! Cain is the Lamb of God and he invented the lightbulb in >Egypt AND built the pyramids of the Himalayas. Why do people trample on gods while gloryfying angels of death. Cain admitted his wrongdoings and was protected with seven horns andwas given seven eyes or spirits which were sent out into the Earth

reply to post by GrinchNoMore


["The belief that one can separate from God is the most disturbing part of these texts,, you are NOT independent of god and never can be...nice try believing a book written with a very different agenda than you could ever wrap your head around"]

One died for all, therefore all died

if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!-1Corinthians15

And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”
And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.-John8

notice BEFORE READING anything-

when I had begun to open a pocket size green Gideon NT that a woman had left on the kitchen bar a few days earlier yet before reading anything, I heard an audible voice speak as if sitting beside me to the left that said my name then- “I am Jesus, I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish” exceedingly awestruck (previous to this I was saying God and specifically Christian anything was all just something for the weakminded) I quickly stood to my feet turned towards the voice and said yes Lord, then came across a bunch of awefully interesting scriptures-

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.-John5.25

For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.-2Corinthians5.14

As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.-Acts9.3

God could change the rules any day, come down heal us all take us up to heaven and then blow the Earth up! He makes the rules he can rewrite the rules, its so laughable but its not when i see people suffer.... I just don't get any agenda he has, stop making people suffer and don't take 2000 years or more to do it.

Come down show your self, take us all over the universe instead of this little bitty round rock.

Im agnostic to the end! Im just glad that the followers of God gave up sacrifice.

Too much "written" evidence to say he faked his own death including a trip to hell. Again, you are to believe what you want. The difference is that I have faith.

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
What is truly unacceptable is that you have been convinced that blood sacrifices are normal , godly, and necessary to give life...

You do not question your texts, you just speak of them, however i am sure you do NOT have a clue about atonement, since none actually exists.

You make very valid points my friend. Some will not see them, but rather rail against them. No worries, speak to those who will listen.

Personally, I have concluded that the best way to be a Christian, is to not be a Christian. But, that is just my perspective.

Judge not, Love all, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.-John

there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all-Colossians

the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit-Jude

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.-Romans

Eh, That is why i try not to say what the bible saids. ATS members rip it apart.