Scientist admits global warming scam, and resigns

I see a lot of the typical comments on this thread about how apparently global warming has nothing to do with pollution.

So I'm just going to re-post myself again from another thread, since this stuff keeps coming up over and over and over again:

Originally posted by mc_squared
reply to post by Sinter Klaas

 

Yup, anytime

Incidentally, just thought I'd comment on something else you wrote:

"I think that it is our duty to live our lives with the environment in mind. I think this doesn't have anything to do with carbon emissions or whatever. Problems can only be dealt with when you start with the roots. It is very simply. If we use and demand less, and when we use we do so with respects to our home, our planet. We will be fine.

Change starts with you !

"

This is EXACTLY what people like me - and I'm sure 99% of the other "AGW believers" (the ones who aren't politicians at least) are preaching

This issue always gets drowned out in all the talk about taxes (and maybe that's part of the conspiracy?) - because what's at the heart of the real global warming agenda is this: sustainability, resource management, energy efficiency, and above all else learning how to live in balance with nature instead of just taking and taking from it incessantly.

The world we live in today is all about greed and maximizing profit above all else. It is run under a total paradox of requiring infinite economic growth within a closed system of finite resources.

All of us "warmists" are just trying to advocate a way of living centered around maximizing our efficiency while minimizing our impact on the Earth. Some people really need to start seeing the bigger picture here and remembering that instead of just getting their minds so stuck on the political BS that clouds it.

I mean look at it this way - even if carbon emissions did end up having nothing to do with global warming - what are the "roots" creating them? Coal plants, oil refineries, deforestation, over-consumption. What is wrong with wanting to live in a world without these things? I think this cartoon says it all about how ridiculous the entire global warming "debate" is in the first place:

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So how many ways are there that global warming is synonymous with pollution?

Maybe some pictures will help:

Coal Plants

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Coal Ash

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The Environmental Disasters They Create

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Mountain Top Removal for Coal Mining

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Deforestation

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Tar Sands

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Their Waste Water...

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...And The Results

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Nitrogen Fertilizer Production...

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...Which Contaminates Groundwater

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Speaking Of Contaminated Groundwater - This...

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...Is The Result Of Hydraulic Fracturing aka "Fracking" for Oil & Natural Gas

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Which Goes To Oil Refineries, Which Expel CO2

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And So On...

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Originally posted by network dude
I just wish that all the money these idiots are spending trying to make anyone believe that climate change is man made would pull their heads out of the sand and use that money to find an alternative fuel.

...what exactly do you think is the point of climate change legislation?


Alberta's carbon tax fund jumpstarts five renewable energy projects
India to Tax Coal For National Renewable Energy Fund
Indonesia offers tax incentives for renewable energy
California - Energy tax credit, rebates, grants, incentives
Production Tax Credit for Renewable Energy

...and so on.

ASES Report: Renewable Energy Can Curb Global Warming by 2030

reply to post by mc_squared


But, mc_squared, those images are a scam! Whoever took those pictures are a fraud! They made all those pictures so we can be taxed! We don't want to be taxed, we want to keep our money! We can just buy a new Earth!



Depressing, isn't it?

-this post contained sarcasm-

Whether or not man is having a substantial impact on the temperature of the planet is a question that I can honestly say nobody has an accurate and exact answer to. Of course humans are responsible for pollution, it is evident all around us.

My question, and I think the problem many people have with the climate change nuts, is very simple.

How will it fix the problem for major corporations who pollute to pay $ trillions of dollars in carbon credits and carbon taxes to cover their "carbon footprint", when in fact all these companies would be doing is paying to pollute?

Now sure, the obvious result is that someone will get very wealthy. Incredibly wealthy. The question now is who does this money go to? Who is "in charge" of the entire environmental cause of the Earth, and how can any human being justify getting filthy stinking rich off of payments made by major polluters?

How is money going to fix the Earth's climate? Or even still how will it even help when the polluters are going to continue on doing the same things they have been doing, and as the climate changers believe, continue to destroy the Earth's environment?

It all sounds like a well orchestrated, well funded, politically designed kickback program. It is by definition a "pay to pollute" program that is being implemented by the U.N. and forced upon the industries of the Earth, designed to benefit only those same elite, powerful industrialists and individuals who were likely responsible for the pollution in the first place.

Racketeering is what they call it.

Originally posted by mc_squared

...what exactly do you think is the point of climate change legislation?

I am all for trying to move away from burning fossil fuels. In fact, that is the main reason I want to look further into hydrogen. I just get disgusted with the legislation that will enact carbon credits and obvious penalties and payments whereby one small group will get rich off of the misery of others. If you can't see that the whole "captain planet" thing has turned from save the rain forests to line the pockets with "green" money, then you don't get out much. My beef is with the whole politicized Fat ass Al Gore thing. Yes I know I just made Mel's day. But dishonest people have hijacked an honest movement. That is where your opposition is coming from. Most of the people who think Global Warming, or whatever you want to call it this week, is a load of crap, also would love to see a cleaner world. they just don't want to get taxed to death in the process. At this point, it doesn't even matter who is right. If we don't change the way we run out engines, we can all look forward to more of the same in regards to our air quality.

And for the record, I came from up north. They love global warming up there. Winter sucks.

reply to post by BlackOps719


If you read mc_squared's post just above yours, you will see that the taxes these companies pay will go to renewable energy research and development. That will help with the effects pollution has on the environment and atmosphere.

Also, if the companies decide to raise prices of their products to pay for said taxes, maybe then people will start using less of said product, or start becoming more innovative and find better alternatives to said product. Reducing the amount of pollution said product creates.

As with any scam, follow the money.

You have to realize the billions upon dollars of dollars to be made.

You also have to recognize the control and power involved in this scam. Regulations, permits, what you will drive, what you will grow, in what industry you will work in etc..

Money and power, the impetus for every crook.

Originally posted by 0ne10
reply to post by BlackOps719

 

If you read mc_squared's post just above yours, you will see that the taxes these companies pay will go to renewable energy research and development. That will help with the effects pollution has on the environment and atmosphere.

Also, if the companies decide to raise prices of their products to pay for said taxes, maybe then people will start using less of said product, or start becoming more innovative and find better alternatives to said product. Reducing the amount of pollution said product creates.

edit on 19-10-2010 by 0ne10 because: (no reason given)

And just who do you think will be awarded those contracts for all of that R&D that will likely total into the trillions of taxed dollars? Think maybe it might just be the companies owned by the people who are behind the global warming scam? Do you think there would be open bids for this type of research, or would it be given to the powerful elite who have pulled the most strings?

My guess is we would have a situation similar to Halliburton and the billions they have raked in off of the gulf war fiasco. Man made emergency, untold trillions in stolen revenue, all funneled to the same rich industrialists who cause the problem, and backed vigorously by brainwashed "green" citizens who have fallen hook line and sinker for the hysteria that has been contrived, packaged and delivered right to them.

It's a scam. One of the largest cash heist's ever attempted. And thanks to a bunch of well meaning but gullible, severely misguided people, they will likely succeed.

Originally posted by Saurus
reply to post by stormson

 

Only once it has been peer reviewed and accepted is it considered as fact.

edit on 19/10/2010 by Saurus because: Fixed typo

if it were only that simple we would have no debates over global warming or evolution.

reply to post by BlackOps719


I'm sorry I can't speak to you if you keep throwing the brainwashed insult.

Climate change is a real threat discovered in 1824. If you think there are 100 year old elitists walking this Earth finally getting their plans into place, I think maybe it is you who is brainwashed.

The tax money could very well go to the same people who payed for it, and if there is no results in research and development from that, guess what, the money will be taken from them. The smartest move for the elitists right now is to invest in actual real green technologies because it's an industry that will outweigh big oil in the future. So all you conspiracy "nuts" who think the elitists are all devil worshipers looking to destroy the world, you may be wrong, and they just may actually try to invest in this new era of energy and cleanliness with the taxes they, and we pay. It will pay them in the long run.

reply to post by mc_squared


Whilst it is important to reduce, re-use and recycle. I think you will find that the same goverment bodies trying to give you a carbon tax are the same ones who allowed the disasters you posted in pictures to begin with.

create a crisis and offer a solution

reply to post by cushycrux


To what degree would you allow the con to go on? Destory people's lively hoods? For what? A scam!! There are ways for improving the environment without detroying the modern world....!!
All the lies need to stop!! People like you just allow the crap to continue...

Originally posted by 0ne10
reply to post by BlackOps719

 

Climate change is a real threat discovered in 1824.

Thats funny, it wasn't even thirty years ago the hysteria within the scientific community was the fear that we were somehow reverting toward a cooling planet, that the temperature of the Earth was actually dropping at an alarming rate. What happened to that theory?

The fact of the matter is that yes the Earth has experienced a slight increase in temperature during recent decades. This has in no way been proven to have happened as a result of anything man made or induced by human beings. The most likely reason being the sun and the cyclical heating and cooling of the planet which has been happening for an untold number of centuries.

This change in temperature led to every pseudo scientist/ con artist from San Francisco to Calcutta rushing along to aide in the preaching of the new green gospel being pushed upon us by the UN and the world elite - only now, to their dismay and horror, the warming trend has ceased. Thats right, no sign of increase whatsoever over the last few years.

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But where is the catastrophe that was promised? We need your carbon credits damnit, global warming is totally real...says Al Gore...and the other cretins who tried to pimp this scam to the world.

Very soon global warming will be entirely exposed as the criminal venture that is truly is, and someone will be prosecuted to the fullest for attempting to hold the entire world hostage.

reply to post by tracer7


we are truly coming to a point of no return

a point where "nothing is true and everything is permissible"
-Hasan bin Sabbah

it is so sad that we are battling over this when the planet has an abundance of resources
enough to feed and clothe every man woman and child on the planet

the power over these resources have become so concentrated
that the current genocide on the planet is not against one select sect of peoples

BUT IT IS AN ACT OF GENOCIDE AGAINST ALL OF US

we must take care of our planet
and we must understand the concept of carrying capacity

but the way this cap and trade is set up
it is like a casino
and the house always wins

and Co2 is a necessary component for LIFE
water pollution
pollution from trash and illegal dumping

these are bigger problems than "warming"
but so much DIS-information is out there
that no one knows what is up or down anymore

"nothing is true everything is permissible
-Hasan bin Sabbah

Originally posted by Gamma MO
reply to post by cushycrux

 

You are getting pollution and CO2 mixed up. CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to life.

The environmental movement has been hijacked by this scam and is neglecting the real problems - loss of habitat, water and air pollution and abuse of our resources.

All that has NOTHING to do with global warming or CO2.

really...so you don't mind having more carbon dioxide??? this is the gas that your body EX-HALES, GETS RID OF, EXPELS...because...it can kill a person...it IS essential for photo-synthesis, but there is a limit to how much CO2 can be absorbed by plants. actually, i'm more worried about the tens of thousands of square miles of perma-frost melting. methane is stored in that perma-frost, and if that methane is released from the warming ground up into the atmosphere on a massive scale, most every living thing will suffocate,

by the way...just because this man is a "physicist", does NOT mean he knows squat about climate change...he was a nuclear physicist, and he thinks he knows more about it than climate-change scientists that have been studying it for 30 years. what a pompous ass.

maybe he would like a geologist to tell him that all his work for the last 30 years on nuclear physics is wrong, because that geologist read a book and some memos. you don't need a degree to master critical-thinking.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Thats funny, it wasn't even thirty years ago the hysteria within the scientific community was the fear that we were somehow reverting toward a cooling planet, that the temperature of the Earth was actually dropping at an alarming rate. What happened to that theory?

If you would do any research before you post you would know that theory was created by watching climate trend data. There was a cooling trend and they feared it wouldn't stop.

Climate change was not created by watching climate trends. It was created by acknowledging the effects that the gases in our atmosphere have on climate (the greenhouse effect), and acknowledging the increasing levels of these gases.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Very soon global warming will be entirely exposed as the criminal venture that is truly is, and someone will be prosecuted to the fullest for attempting to hold the entire world hostage.

No, soon climate change will be entirely exposed as being a very real threat, and that people used the threat for profit, and because of that, people thought the threat was a scam when it was actually very real.

reply to post by -PLB-

it is without doubt that there are other forces, some much stronger than CO2, that cause climate change. That doesn't mean CO2 can't also have significant effect.

Of course. But if CO2 had a significant effect we would see it in the ice cores. Instead what we see is that rising temperatures cause carbon levels to rise. There is no anthropogenic signature in the (compromised) homogenisation of the surface temperature data either and the WV feedback loop theory has been blown away by the non-appearance of the troposphere hotspots above the equator. The counter evidence is abundant! All the other side has are computer models, or pen and paper calculations, which do not comprise of real evidence.

are well educated people who say it can, and there are that say it can't. Until I see proof that confirms or refutes it, I will not discount it as a possibility.

I suggest looking into the science more. The theory has already been falsified. Only dyed in the wool faith-heads, or the ill-informed still cling onto this disproved hypothesis.

reply to post by tracer7


What money>??

Maybe Global Warming stopped the corporations from making money faster and now has put pressure on scientists, who knows, even black mailed scientists to conspire in the ridicule of Global Warming.

Remember the treaties governments signed, which implements tax for emission and the reduction of emission etc.

Originally posted by 0ne10

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Thats funny, it wasn't even thirty years ago the hysteria within the scientific community was the fear that we were somehow reverting toward a cooling planet, that the temperature of the Earth was actually dropping at an alarming rate. What happened to that theory?

If you would do any research before you post you would know that theory was created by watching climate trend data. There was a cooling trend and they feared it wouldn't stop.

Hey One10,

like most of the arguments you'll have from deniers, this is just the typical slipping of the old raggedy zombie into a discussion. It's not their fault. Best way to see denier arguments are like people being infected by a borg-like virus that makes them reflexively regurgitate tired old BS as robust argument.

The old crusty 'but dey said it wuz kool in the 70s", while true for the disco stallions and mares, is basically a crock of tripe in the climate science domain.

Here's some data which shows the nature of climate science in the 1970s (from Peterson, Connolley, & Fleck, 2008):



They surveyed the literature during that period and clearly show that, even 30 years ago, the vast majority of the research was indicating future global warming (42 articles suggested warming, 7 cooling). The main discussion was focused on whether human-sourced aerosols would outweigh the influence of human-sourced GHGs.

The GHGs won the day (as the weight of science suggested even then).

Below is a lovely quote from leading global warming alarmist Maurice Strong in 1992. Maurice Strong was the Secretary General for the UN's 1972 Conference on the Human Environment, which led to the Green Movement. He was also the first director of the UN's environment program. He was the organizer of the UN Earth Summit in Rio in 1992, and took a leading role in the formation of the IPCC. He's also an oil billionaire and a director of the Chicago Climate exchange, and reportedly worked closely with the Rothschilds and Rockeller families.

This is Maurice Strong describing a 'novel' he'd like to write, in 1992:

"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is ‘no.’ The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about? This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about an economic collapse."

(Source: Conservative environmentalism: reassessing the means, redefining the ends, by James Dunn and John Kinney, pg 5.)