Lights Over El Paso, TX October 15, 2010 (SOLVED/Identified - SkyDivers)

As my last post in this thread, let me ask you....remember "Without Warning" (1994)?

www.youtube.com...

LOL

reply to post by bigbomb456


I was gonna ask about that video too Bigbomb. It does appear those guys are in a airport terminal. My fingers just ran out of breath. good question!!!

reply to post by scitpeks

Why?

How about something like; "Roll up! Roll up for the airshow this weekend!"

Please explain why a night practice jump is more dangerous. Please include the fact that the Knights routinely do night jumps for their shows (indicating that they are expert at it) in your explanation.

Originally posted by bigbomb456
reply to post by 0ne10

 

Why did the fourth one not free fall like the rest initially did? Don't forget the other video:

I don't know.. why don't you ask the Golden Knights.

here is a map of brigs and the airport




the light were Above the skies of Northeast and East El Paso on Friday night
the top of the map is north

so wouldnt the lights be over the airport?

xploder

Originally posted by 0ne10

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
First if these are in fact skydivers practicing then where is the trail and light from the flares after they split and deploy the canopy?

The trails are here, I circled them:

Now watch this video:
www.youtube.com...

You see the one with "no trail"? Well it does have a trail, but the guy is moving towards the camera so you don't see it.

You stopped one video on one frame in which the lights are still moving to the final stopping point. What about the next 7 seconds of the video in which the item shows no trail and appears motionless. No one is saying there weren't any trails, it is the several seconds of no motion on all three videos that is in question. WHERE IS THE TRAIL AND FORWARD MOTION??

It's impossible for every skydiver to be heading towards every camera man who is filming for several seconds at the same time.

Originally posted by scitpeks
reply to post by Phantom traveller

 

Personally i would love this to be a UFO but i can wait to see tomorrows videos before i make my mind as to what it is.

Thats what I said earlier, but now I find they are jumping during the day, not night!!
So there is no way we will see the same thing..Kinda wierd huh?

Hmmm not weird...i would say convenient.There will be nothing to compare to.You can't compare two different shows.You can get a general idea as how skydivers look at night but i guess that they do different things each time.
And this thread will go on and on and on.....

reply to post by Phage


Well phage, one of the principles of this site is to deny ignorance, then I must say that I'm ignoring you from now.

Who does not know you, that buy you ok.

Just my opinion about you, over 3 years.

Sky divers, ha ha. You are SO amusing.

I like when news channels have the courage to spend their time with stories like this and especially when the broadcasters refrain from criticizing the footage or interjecting their opinions. I thought it was especially cool that they compared the similar formation the crafts made.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by XPLodER

 

There are trails...when the video is in focus.

thanks for clearing that one up for me
xploder

reply to post by XPLodER

Do you know how to read a Map?
I ask because the airfield is clearly to the east and northeast of El Paso.
El Paso

reply to post by Phage


Gimmie a break...
They are doing a DAYTIME show.If they are such proffessionals then they would do DAYTIME practice.

As for why is night jumping more dangerous, though I'd think any fool could work it out, even spotting the ground is more dangerous in the dark, hence the risk of a bad landing.
At freefall of 120mph hitting an unseen flock of birds could spell death...

BTW, do you have a link to their practice times?
I can't find it on their site although it does show a lot of daytime practice.
armygk.com...

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
You stopped one video on one frame in which the lights are still moving to the final stopping point.

No I didn't. I stopped the video right after they pulled their parachutes (stopped), and then started moving randomly, just like the Golden Knights team. However, the news source mysteriously edited out the important parts so I had to stop it on the frame the shows the trails moving.

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
What about the next 7 seconds of the video in which the item shows no trail and appears motionless.

If you watch the video you see the obvious fade transition effect. This means they cut the video to show the "no trail part" longer. They just extended the video by replying it. There is no "7 seconds of motionless"... the video was edited...

There is ZERO motionless.. it just appears that way because the sky is black can you can't see movement when they are moving towards the cameras direction...

This is common sense people...

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
No one is saying there weren't any trails, it is the several seconds of no motion on all three videos that is in question. WHERE IS THE TRAIL AND FORWARD MOTION??

How do you expect to see motion with a black sky when they are moving towards you??

There is no "motionless", it's an illusion.

Originally posted by CaptSplatter
It's impossible for every skydiver to be heading towards every camera man who is filming for several seconds at the same time.

The trails exist because they are moving.... when they slow down to a near stop when they open their parachutes, there is not trail, just a ball of light. When they start moving left or right, there is very small trails because they are moving slow. Blurry cameras make it look like a single point of light because the trails are so small AND when they are moving towards the camera it adds to the effect.


WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE 1000'S OF SIMILARITIES AND ONLY FOCUSING ON THE VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY TINY DIFFERENCES???

ATS has gone insane.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Do you know how to read a Map?
I ask because the airfield is clearly to the east and northeast of El Paso.
El Paso

i was acually trying to get your opinion on direction of the incoming sky divers to the feild where they landed
wind direction strenght excetera
do you know the wind direction from the night?

xploder

So, rather than speculating on what the Golden Knights did or didn't do, is it possible to find out from them? Maybe through email or twitter or something. Someone could just email and ask them if they practiced that night and where. Or heck, even send them the link to the video and discussion forum and say "Please clear this up because it's just going in circles". Perhaps that someone is me!.....but probably not....*feels shame*...

Just checked their site.

On the offical Golden Knights page there is a phone number you can call for "media relations". Anybody have a good professional voice to call and ask if there was a practice the other night. I don't see an email, but they have a twitter and facebook account.

For your attention. I have started a thread based on D4rk kn1ghts original 2006 thread discussing his "Dancing Lights" sign and whether the El Paso lights are relivant to his original thread.

I am not debating the Skydiver v UFO line so would appreciate it if members dont post " Original thread here" before linking back here.

Thanks in anticipation and respects to you all.

I also thought that it was a meteorite, until the part that they started just hovering. It was interesting, though; to see this.

I believe average wind that day was 3mph (NE). Also no one has addressed the video I have posted (except phage ten or twelve pages back).

reply to post by oblivionous


I tried their site but there's no mention of training times.
Feel free to ask them.
armygk.com...

I find HILARIOUS that debunkers and skeptics IGNORED the facts JustMike put, so I will quote just so they can see it again, and don't just dismiss it

Originally posted by JustMike
When there is a major event like a big airshow in the US, the FAA normally issues a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) to advise of any flight restrictions for the given region. This is to avoid unfortunate collisions or near misses with aircraft flown by unsuspecting pilots, and that's why pilots should always check NOTAMS for any areas they'll fly through.

So okay, I checked the FAA NOTAMs to see what they had for the El Paso region.

On Oct 7, 2010, the FAA issued a NOTAM for the Biggs Field, El Paso, Texas:

Due to U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds, U.S. Air Force A-10, U.S. Army Golden Knights Parachuting Team, and various other high performance aerial demonstrations during the Amigo Airsho

(sic).

You can find this NOTAM here.

But please note that this NOTAM also details the specific periods when flight restrictions apply:

Effective Date(s):
From October 14, 2010 at 1900 UTC
To October 14, 2010 at 2000 UTC
From October 15, 2010 at 1600 UTC
To October 15, 2010 at 2130 UTC
From October 16, 2010 at 1600 UTC
To October 16, 2010 at 2230 UTC
From October 17, 2010 at 1600 UTC
To October 17, 2010 at 2230 UTC

On the night in question, no NOTAM-governed restriction was in force. The period covered on Oct 15 was from 1600 UTC to 2130 UTC. UTC (aka GMT) time is +5 hours on the time in Texas. This means that 1600 UTC is 1100 hrs local (El Paso) time, and 2130 UTC is 1630 local (El Paso) time. In other words, from 11 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.

If the skydivers were doing a practice at night on Oct 15, then they did it outside of the safety of a NOTAM that would restrict other pilots from flying through that airspace. Granted, local ATC could issue instructions to any incoming or outgoing craft in the case of the discussed night practice, but if the military parachutists were planning a practice at night this would be known well in advance. The FAA could then have included the period of the practice in the NOTAM. It just makes sense to me that if the FAA releases a NOTAM to cover this region for some daytime operations, they'd do the same for night -- when many aerial operations are naturally more hazardous anyway.

I understand that we have video of the parachtists doing a daytime practice. Is it confirmed that they'll do a night-time display? If so, then we have to consider that (in spite of the NOTAM) they might have done a practice on the night of 15 Oct.

Forgive me if I've missed any recent updates. It took an age to search this then write it up. Sorry.

Mike