*The Impersonal Life* ...of IAM

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An oak tree can produce leaves and acorns for years and years....but still, all of the leaves and acorns were a part of 'one' tree.

Once you reach the idea of thinking the ONE broke into a 'many' or even emanated into fragments of self.....its still undeniable that within all of the fragments or all of the 'selves' that this ONE is not what connects them or holds the thread that they are share between each other that is the same braid.

So lets say there is these angels, higher selves, archeons, what ever. Do they hold, the most valid truth of their own making or existence or history? So even to gain 'guidance' from the 'broken/lower' vessels that hold within them this divine light of life from the MONAD.....could be limited wisdom, could be limited understanding....for if we are seeking one of the 'lower' or 'many' we are still refusing to seek their TRUE SELF within them. Can any emanation exists without its former 'self' which gave it life...and to deny this 'true self' which gives life, is that then only to deny ones 'own true self'?

Even though there are angels or a family of light or whatever....were those without beginning? Did those not emanate from a MONAD of one? If not...then we are saying there has always been a 'many' and these many were always 'perfect'?

Edit to add...even the oak came from the Earth and the Earth came from the cosmos and the cosmos came from a singularity.

We have to go to the source, which is only ONE.

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Here is my take of the material so far. Its definetly a good read for your average person if they keep an open mind, but I am worried it could further inflate someones ego if they get the message in their head that they are god, even though the material says to disband or forget about your ego, id, and senseless drives for selfishness. I definetly agree with the writing, it just has to be read in the right way to be used to the maximum. I'll give my next impression when I am done reading.

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Hey America!

Thanks for sharing! I agree with every single word you said

It surely will depend on one's intent, of what they find of use within it. To me, its similar to most spiritual material....holding the power to become more on the path of self....or....holding the power to make one be more in the path of service to others. Depends on one's intent while reading.

Looking forward to more

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A hologram is a construct, technology. The platform we're all in, is Infinity. Its worth thinking on, because everything means something. And there is a logic to it, in fact, the quantum phsyics, metaphysics is where I started doing cartwheels inside, cause I knew, and knew it was the next step in my learning, and starting seeking hard.

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Hopefully I can get through it all by the end of this week. I also start my job today so I have even less time, but I will get through it.

For those that dont wish to read it...but rather listen.

In the first video there is a couple minutes of different prayers....then the reading begins.



Here is a lnk to the playlist that has all the videos and readings.

www.youtube.com.../c/47576EDE8D6B0C92/1/Azf83P8Gbhs

If you are a seeker....consider this a challenge, from another self of you, to read or to listen....to weigh it and to measure it...yourself.

There are 24 videos

My best
LV

Found a PDF format...which allows a search engine.

I personally was wishing I could search certain words in the first link I gave because I wanted to find particular things quickly that I had already read.

www.stillnessspeaks.com...

"Be still! --- and KNOW --- I AM --- God." Yes, I AM that innermost part of you that sits within, and calmly waits and watches, knowing neither time nor space; for I AM the Eternal and fill all space.

'We are an active expression of God'.

Re Leo

You wrote:

"We have to go to the source, which is only ONE."

Your guess is as good as mine. That is, if I had any guesses; I just leave the question open.

But maybe I didn't express myself precisely enough earlier. I'm not talking about a dual source, only a situation where there are choices.

Re Unity_99

You wrote:

"A hologram is a construct, technology."

Depends on what you mean with 'technology'. It's possible, that there exists technology purely of mind, and that an alleged holographic universe is a question of awareness rather than thingumajigs.

And:

"Its worth thinking on, because everything means something. And there is a logic to it, in fact, the quantum phsyics, ...."

As long as there's change, causality in one form or another is part. But to extend the 'logic' mankind usually functions with is rather uncertain in quantum contexts.

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This material has made me curious about one thing and I would like your input if you wouldn't mind. How do you view the events that happen in your life? Do you think we sign a certain contract with a list of activities before we incarnate here? Do you think these lives have happened before and maybe that is why there is deja vu? These are just two of my ideas and belive it could be parts of both and I got the notion that there is a contract before we incarnate from the Ra material.

Originally posted by America?
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This material has made me curious about one thing and I would like your input if you wouldn't mind. How do you view the events that happen in your life? Do you think we sign a certain contract with a list of activities before we incarnate here? Do you think these lives have happened before and maybe that is why there is deja vu? These are just two of my ideas and belive it could be parts of both and I got the notion that there is a contract before we incarnate from the Ra material.

After reading materials such as the Ra material...I can look back and notice how I saw things so differently due to the material, the thoughts and ideas it gave me. That I, could of been this 'separate' being that chose to incarnate here and had a hand in the 'life' I have now. Even thinking that my children, could of chose me as a parent...and I could of chose my parents..ect.

Now, with this material, I am rethinking all of it. As sure as I have felt about many things, I know that with experiences and new 'ideas' I discovered I was not so sure. In the end, my mind stays open.

If there is this 'IAM' within us all...that connects us...and the part of 'us' that 'chooses' an incarnation...may not be a 'separate' self at all...leads to new ideas and reasons for things. It makes me ask...is there a 'many' that are without beginning and end,or is there truly, only ONE true self of all of us?

My path right now...is exploring the later....that its only ONE true self. The part of you that chose to incarnate is but a phase of this 'IAM' and the part of me that chose to incarnate is but a 'phase' of this IAM...and so to is every other 'being' a 'phase' of this ONE.

As there may be a 'path' for our life...there may be many gateways to choose to get there. If we make a major 'shift' in our ways...something can occur, like dejavu. Other experiences like 'paranormal' things may happen, in these moments of 'shifts'. The design, in the end, leads us to the destination....but we as a 'self' (mind complex, intellect) may take a curvy route causing the 'path' to NEED more 'reminders' or things that 'make us' question and wonder. We want to think that we are this 'self' separate, for the lose of the ""I"" of us, scares us (well most).

But I dont shrug off the thinking that 'one chooses as a self to incarnate' for specific reasons...for this path, just like many paths of things of deeper thinking...allows us to see something we are in need of. Like....what purpose can this life of self, have? What purpose can I as a self, be here to do? How can I, as a self, be of benefit to others?

As a 'phase' of this IAM...there would be a seemingly separate identity, for a glimpse of our beings 'time'. We should not ignore this 'phase' or ignore the 'I'....for it has purpose. Some cant understand that if the 'I' has purpose...then why would we have to 'shed' the I (self) at some point in our growth/progression? Even the Ra material, speaks of 'abandoning the path of 'self''.

We gain one kind of wisdom and growth on the path of self, it is needed. As a phase of the IAM...then yes, we surely 'chose' to incarnate into a certain path. I guess the next question is...which 'phases' of the IAM chose to incarnate....to not just awaken to the knowing of self (as something separate)....but which 'phases' incarnated to awaken to the more....the true self, the IAM that IS...the Monad that is at the core of our being, our existence.

The Ra material goes more to the 'higher selves' being separate things...it briefly talks beyond that. So I find the Ra material being more for those that are seeking the 'path of self' as something that is still separate, has its own identity...that is not fully aware or ready to be a part of the ONE that it really is. This path is just as needed, as any. It is a process that the ONE needs to go through...it is the sifting that the ONE needs to process. I feel that most that resonate with the Ra material (I have moved away from it over the past year) are more on the path of self...even though it talks so much about the path of others and ascension.

To be honest...I feel I have had my ascension, right here, on Earth. It as all to do with a choice...and that choice, was to stay and not leave or long to leave, for MYSELF and my own desires of 'self'. This was the moment I discovered, what the Ra material talks about the path of others and ascension...was not something that a 'self' desires...but is when the self can be offered back to the whole....all the other selves, and what ever incarnation would be best then, for others....not ...myself.

I guess one could say, on the path of self, the Ra material helped me. This Impersonal Life material...helped me see that alot of what I excepted in the Ra material....was out of self desires, self wishes, self longings. Again, this was not wrong...and was needed. I dont think I would of had the experiences of 'merging with a light boy' if was not for me moving on from that material though, focusing on the information it gave about at some point 'abandoning the path of self', and trying to see a bigger picture with my 'self' being a part of a whole, a ONE.

I watched a show the other night called 'Life...or something like it'. It was Angelina Jolie and she had been given a prophecy that she would die within a weeks time. She learned to prevent this...she could try to change her path that she was on...which fulfilled many 'self' desires...was not 'true happiness' and contentment, with her 'true self'. It made me think about all of this...and dejavu...which I have had some cool moments of as well as great synchronisities.

I think it shows us, the choices we make, is what makes us, in control. And the Impersonal Life talks about 'to think, is to create'. I wholeheartedly believe this. I cant say I can explain how it works...if its literally creating something somewhere....but I think we can 'create a heaven' or even 'create a hell'....for our 'after life' or our next 'phase of being'.

I even, on the path of self (and mind you, I thought while I was on this path of self, I was on the path of 'service to others'), I connected deeply with Saturn and a group of beings. I related this to a 'past and future' of me. But in the perspective of the IAM within me....I have to wonder, was this not information I was only allowed to see, not so much connected to me. In the 'phase' idea, being a 'phase' of ONE....then the ONE can offer us visions, experiences, dreams, ect....that we can use to grow, to discover things, to feed our desires of self, to test and trial many thoughts and ideas. In the end, will we discover that all of those things....still left us hungry, unsatisfied, still seeking? Is it all just a way, to make us eventually, turn to the true self within...which is a ONE...only ONE...something we all share...something that is the deepest core of us and we cant find it...till we shed many layers of the self that we think we are, that we desire to be, that we long for, that we are not ready to release and let go of until we see over and over again...the path of self, will not satisfy us, in Spirit.

Is something we 'seem to remember' really a part of the 'self, the I that we think we are, the separate self from others'....or is it just something that is offered to us, by the ONE, the IAM, to help us on the paths we need to explore, before exploring, we are ONE.

My mother experienced herself seeing a 'past life' during the times of Jesus. She does not believe in reincarnation but in a near death experience, she 'saw' this. Was this truly a part of the separate self of her....or was this just another 'phase of God' that she was allowed to see into? With the IAM perspective...then all incarnations, are of ONE....not a many. If she was on a path of self, then she would see this as this was literally her soul in a past life. If she was on the path of others, being ONE with all, seeing all as another part of her own self....she would then see this 'past life' as just a view into 'Gods mind' in a way.

In short I could of answered you with 'I dont know'.

So tell me, what do you think about it...and with what I have said here.

My best
LV

Edit to add...I think when we start to see ourselves as a part of a ONE...then we see all the lives of all beings...is surely then, all a past to us, a part of us. So not only is your 'past' incarnations only for you....they are more of a ONE, a ALL...and anyone is Spirit (path of others, true self, ONE)...can then also tap into the same exact things you may have experienced at what was 'seemingly' a past life. When connected to the true self of one...anyone can tap into all existences, all phases, of the IAM.

An example you can try....is to tap into the ''phase' of the life that was called' Jesus'. One, when they do this, may come away with being convinced then that they are 'Jesus' for they were able to see through the 'mind complex' of him. But are they really Jesus, is a past life...or are they tapping into the united conscious mind of IAM...what is of Spirit...what is accessible to all who seek it. You may be shown many things Jesus experienced, even to the point of feeling the anger, fear, and love..that he experienced as a 'phase' of God.

Is this how the ancients held 'elders' that had past 'godlike'....for they seemed to of been able to 'tap into' the mind complex of there loved ones that had pasted on...even the ones that they never knew of but were only told of.

Seek other 'phases' of the united conscious IAM and see where that leads you. Are we able to tap into any past 'existence' or being....if we realize that they are all a 'part of the IAM, the true self of us all'.

I personally have gained alot of different thoughts lately...about how people, even David Wilcock...has been able to 'connect' to a seemingly past life. I think it can go beyond those 'past' selves...and I think we can tap into 'any and all' past complexes or phases of being, since we all have this 'IAM' within us and that IAM is the ONE thing that has been a part of and within ALL beings and existences. The self in us (body complex, the part that thinks we are a "I" that is separate) may only be willing to accept certain existences as being a part of us, therefor they may stop at seeing one past self...for it feeds their desires and pride of being an 'I'. Example again....David claimed himself to be 'father of the white man' for this is what he saw in his past. Would he be ready to discover that the true IAM within him was the father of every single color of beings on Earth...as well as every child of every father of all the families that ever were. Is he just not ready to accept that his deeper self is not only connected to 'beings that feed his desires of self' but also of all the beings that would not feed his desires of self. I only use him as an example since we have talked some about the Ra material here. As much as I heard David say 'we are one....I am you and you are me'....he doesnt seem to understand this potential and understand that this idea, makes him not just 'one or few' in the past....but all....just as it does you and me.

Hi Leo,

should you ever feel an additional need of information on your subject, I think you could get some valuable ideas from: "Messages from Michael" (my copy disappeared years ago, so that's all I can give you). It's readable and direct.

And on an almost indigestable, but very deepgoing, level, Gurdjieff's teachings on 'essence'. It's thousand pages of 'all and everything' as his major work is called, but his 'essence'-model is similar to some of what you talk about.

Half 'christian soul', half cosmic potential. G. can also be found in less taxing contexts. Just suggestions.

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Thanks for those ideas bogomil Im always on the hunt for some new deep readings and I will defiantly hunt those down.

I like the fact that you have your own ideas of things...but stay open for others paths to be what they are or are in need of anyways.

Wish you my best
LV

Re Leo,

thanks for your answer.

Please don't take the following addition to my last post as an outbreak of 'guru'ism'; but you seem to be positive to my suggestions.

As to Gurdjieff, he's definitely one of the BIG names in the 19th century, even if he generally isn't known outside small circles these days. He's the hidden ideological factor behind many contemporary movements, just as Steiner and Blavatsky are.

A lot of more accessible books have been written about him, some biographical, some also containing the practical aspects of his 'work' (as Gurdjieff called it himself. There's 'being'/doing and there's 'knowledge', and between these two there must be balance). Ouspenski is maybe the best of Gurdjieff's interpretators.

I believe, that you are unto something, and I agree with you, that the day we believe, we have all the answers, it's time to retire to the zombie-mindset.

I have for years followed a method called 'participating observer' (it's not too narrowly defined), an approach of the early french cultural-anthropology movement 'structuralism'. Former 'soft' scientism was often a desktop job, where 'observing' and analyzing information were based on second-hand observations. On the other hand 'participating', joining experiences directly, has the disadvantage of structuring our mindsets into fixed, doctrinal patterns, eventually becoming mental straight-jackets for us.

So the idea is, that we whole-heartedly 'participate', experiencing phenomena to their fullest. Later we switch to analytical mode: What happened? ...in a broader context. The benefits of both involvement and detachment. My own presence on ATS runs on such lines.

I hope I have not just demonstrated the tendency of the elderly to overflow with words, but that there's some relevance amongst my ruminations.

For the time being. Thanks for our exchange, it's been a pleasure; and 'good luck' (or whatever is appropriate).

Greetings Bogo

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Hello bogomil,

Last night I was thinking alot about perspective.

From many different 'state of being' there are many different ways to see 'perspective'.

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. Marcus Aurelius

You must look within for value, but must look beyond for perspective. Denis Waitley

In a world of prayer, we are all equal in the sense that each of us is a unique person, with a unique perspective on the world, a member of a class of one. W. H. Auden

It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when men have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars. Arthur C. Clarke

Often a persons perspective follows along lines of thought that are parallel to eachother...that can meet at a 'one' vanishing point in the end. Similar to art and the 'vanishing point' in art.

If one axis is parallel with the picture plane, then all elements are either parallel to the painting plate (either horizontally or vertically) or perpendicular to it. All elements that are parallel to the painting plate are drawn as parallel lines. All elements that are perpendicular to the painting plate converge at a single point (a vanishing point) on the horizon.

And the video of the particles and waves behavior...with an 'observer' is something else that caused my perspective of the world around me and it be more open to how either we as observers can 'change' the way energy behaves or the energy's behavior, is changing to change our perspective. Is it not....energy reacting to energy? Not one more so then the other....but together.

Im sure you have seen the videos....








My best!
LV

Hi Leo,

just a short answer. My internet-access doesn't allow for videos etc, so I can only relate to written information.

My best

Bogo

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I will try to explain it.

Physicists observed particles being sent through a slit and how they hit a back wall after going through the slit. Particles were observed to go through the slit and hit the back wall in the shape of the slit they went through...creating 'one line' on the back wall.

Particles sent through 2 slits performed the same behavior...making a pattern of '2 lines' on the back wall.

Waves sent through the 1 slit ripples out after going through the slit...making an interference pattern...but the pattern of the slit 1 slit still allowed a 1 line of intensity...while the rst of the lines on the back wall were less intense. This was predicted and normal behavior of course.

Waves, sent through 2 slits, rippled out and show a interference pattern showing many lines of intensity on the back wall, this again, was expected and thought normal.

When they took electrons and sent them through the 2 slits, it was noted the electrons left as acting like particles but behaved like a wave when they went through the slits, making an interference pattern on the back wall. Physicists didnt understand.

They then thought surely the electrons are just bouncing off of eachother creating this interference pattern.

So they shot electrons one and a time to avoid the interference pattern.

How do pieces of matter make interference patterns like a wave? After an hour of shooting the electrons one at a time, an interference pattern began showing again on the back wall.

It was then noted that a single electron left as a particle but becomes a wave of potentials and goes through 'both slits'...and interferes with 'ITSELF'.

This was baffling...so physicists place an 'observer to measure' by the slits to see what was going on.

When the observer was in place..the electrons changed their behavior and ONLY behaved like particles...never showing the 'wave' behavior, never producing the interference pattern.

The electron decided to act differently due to the observer? What is matter? A particle or waves? And waves of what? And what does an observer have to do with any of this? The observer collapsed the wave functions.

In reality, 2 electrons are really, still connected and not separate at all. If everything was entangled at the moment of the big bang, is everything still touching? Is space just the construct that gives the illusion that there are separate objects?

www.doubleslitexperiment.com...

Re Leo,

mind you, I'm not a professional physicist, so my thoughts may be wrong or outdated.

I'm familiar with the experiment you describe. Without knowing the contemporary generally accepted answer is, I think it's easier to go beyond the manifestation and look at the next 'level' of zero-point physics (even if it probably not really IS a total zero-point).

This, as I understand it, quantum-foam, 'exists' at a level, where the ordered cosmic laws are close to invalid. Space/time, 'matter'/energy, the 'forces' are at the breaking-point chaos/cosmos only just beginning to have effect on the emerging chaos.

Not having the strong dualistic characteristics of a completely manifested cosmos, the basic particles/waves are close to the original unity of chaos. How this can explain the double-split experiment, I can't say. I'll take a look at it soon.

But, if I remember correctly, there exists a 'proven' experiment, which in some way are contradictory to Einstein's theory of lightspeed being a cosmic maximum. Particles, which have had constact with each other formerly, have instantaneous 'communication' with each other, no matter the distance. Implicating, that at a certain existence level, 'relating' is different from the standard cosmic version.

Am not even sure if I answered you, or if a physicist would buy my explanation. Am presently working with high weirdness in anomalies/paranormality, so maybe it'll take a few days, before I brush up my physics, which now is a few years past.

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Thanks for the conversation of it all.

On another thread...Unity and I are in the discussion of this all being a hologram. As much as our understanding of a hologram being something that is created....is the hologram not very real in some other state of perception? Is it all just worthless without meaning? Even if it was a hologram...would there not be ONE emanator of the hologram. Would it not be that its from the mind of God so to say....and not a 'many minds' creating many different matrix's?

Does the thought that this is a 'illusion' like a dream that is by a 'one source' show us ONENESS?

That energy is ONE....just seemingly to be separate forms?

What do you think about the idea that 'suns are projectors' of this illusion? Wouldnt the Sun's too just be a part of the seemingly illusion, instead of the actual projector of it?

What do you think?

Leo,

I also appreciate this exchange very much. But as I live in a European time-zone, this will be myst last post today, it's evening here.

These days I operate from a basis of: "It's all in the mind". The 'highest reality' I can conceptualize (and experience) is a awareness outside space/time and other cosmic manifestations; transcendence.

Both in the cosmic form and in transcendence holograms manifest; signals sent, signals recieved and signals sent back constantly, and this is the relative realities we experience. Shared information, expressing or defining a kind of co-sensus level of relative reality, where the transcendent is very rarified as compared to the cosmic crude duality with much change and a reliance on the 'matter' aspect.

I have on and off experienced transcendence, also for prolonged periods. But to create transcendence completely with 'will' is still beyond me. I can and I can't according to mechanisms I don't understand the extent of.

So the question of something beyond transcendence, a possible central point from where all emanations originates, is something I can't relate to in a meaningful way. Transcendence in itself is difficult enough to acchieve on a regular basis.

The only relevant information I have, is that Buddha allegedly said, when asked about 'god': "You wouldn't understand it anyway, so there's no need to talk about it". Or something like that.

Concerning 'suns' both some gnostics and Gurdjieff has something to say about it. In the Gurdjieff'ian cosmology suns have the position of something equalent to 'angels', and he has the rather gruesome idea, that the proper food for angels is emanations from biological life. In a functional situation (which doesn't apply to our planet) part of our essence (=soul) is meant to be food for suns. As it is now, all of our essence is used for feeding celestial bodies.

In return the waste products from celestial bodies (faeces if you like) is compost for biological life.

One of the gnostic models were, that suns are mechanisms, which pick up higher energy, and prevent it from 'escaping' cosmos and instead recycle this energy back into cosmos.

My own thoughts are, that with my model of a hierarchial and predatory dominated cosmos, there are food-pyramids at all levels, with energy being constantly refined and send 'upwards', lowgrade energy send 'downwards'.