The claim is - Defense Dept group Collins Elite says 'UFOs are demonic'

reply to post by FlyersFan


Ok, here is the thing. There is a door (sort of) that leads directly to the Abyss. (doesn't matter if you believe the Abyss is a real place or not, I have been there several times.) This door is in the center of Wall Street. The whole thing is tied together (governments, media, organized religion) and its heart is Builderberg. The ones in charge of Builderberg are the ones under demonic influence. This story demonizing light workers is just another spill over of the battle.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
There is a difference between demons and evil corporeal beings.
The 'Collins Elite' group makes it sound like these are the demons (spirit) type of evil.
I fully agree that aliens are nasty buggers who don't have out best interests at heart.
But they are solid creatures whereas demons are spirit.
*snip*

Are you certain? Even the Bible speaks of demons taking human wives, and producing offspring. Angels (not the fallen kind) could also come looking like men. Seems to me both varieties can be both spirit AND solid (when they want to be). The business about aliens coming through walls, etc, or simply appearing in a room, and often not even seen by others in the room, suggests something more spiritual in nature as well. Other-dimensional, if you prefer. All the same thing.

Well after thousands of years of abductions,anal probes and cattle mutilations Id call ET moronic not demonic
Second line.

Alright, a post to the thread in general, to discuss a few points of interest.

Aliens or demons? The thing is, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Why? Well, demons are fallen angels, and NOT of this earth. They were created before the earth, then fell to it, cast out of heaven. Thus, they are by definition "extraterrestrial". How much of heaven is another place, and how much another dimension, we simply do not know. The skies are called "the heavens", and heaven is also spoken of as something seemingly on a different plane of existence. So, that being said, what some might call "aliens", others can call "demons", and it's simply different terms for the same thing. Of course, how one deals with these beings would be very different, based on what that person believes that they are.

I also find it interesting that people are willing to believe, without ANY proof, that there are so many other civilizations, on different levels, but refuse to believe that there could be demons. Neither has proof that would satisfy any scientist. Well, unless you look at certain things. The discussions of remote viewing, for example. People in a single place, traveling only in their minds, to other locations, that encountered frightening beings. Yet they could be seen to be seated/lying down/whatever, and observers never saw these beings. That certainly can NOT be some physical aliens. Spiritual creatures, though, that can, when they choose, assume physical form? Yes, indeed.

Some of the earliest UFO theorists stated that they believed these things were with us since the beginning, not from outer space. Why are people willing to utterly dismiss certain possibilities, simply because those possibilities agree with a certain religious belief? Yet those same people will believe in many species of aliens, with no proof at all? Seems to me that this is also a religion of sorts, and such people should accept that their ideas require as much faith as do those of people calling these things demons.

Personally, i KNOW demons are real. See that some here agree, and have added some to my friend list. Those that don't, still interesting reading, and nice to see mostly polite discussion on something so debated.

As a final note = has it occurred to anyone that the cover-up could be the reality of their alien nature? Watch the movie, The Forgotten again, and keep that possibility in mind, and see what you think. The Bible speaks of the devil being allowed to test Job - why not tests on others also, with guidelines? You know, like having to have permission to enter a home, such as with the BEK, etc? Maybe those that enter without that stated permission gained it in some other fashion? Ouija board, channeling, other behaviors? Many ways to invite in an enemy.

Originally posted by thegoodearth
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Not going to really comment on the religious nature here,
however, the evil intent they insist is behind the "alien" encounters
would be in line with what Dr. Stephen Hawking states would be
any kind of contact alien life made with us.

He asserts it would not be "friendly".

I agree with the "not friendly".

I cannot imagine why people seem to think
that alien life would want to be our "friends"
and helpers.

I doubt they would view us as a Twelve Step program
that they need to "correct".

My thoughts exactly, the whole nature is shady. They abduct people driving down a road or in the bedroom in the middle of the night. They play cat and mouse with our fighter jets .... a sense of humor? Or sending a message of superiority? The memory blocks, implanted false memories also brainwashing from beginning as terrorizing abduction accounts then programming the abductee to later accept these ordeals as helping THEM. This was done with the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping, the victim eventually is broken and accept the abuser.

The whole "they cant interfere with our progress" space brother crap is laughable. This all stems from new agers and charlatans like Stephen Greer to former Government intel like Bob Dean and Clifford Stone "whom i like and hope are telling the truth" at the same time why should we trust them? Perhaps they are cover up operatives ? They say they are peaceful

If so peaceful why deal with our Military and not the masses out in the open? And if we were being oppressed by our own species then why are these supposed loving space bros being lazy about stepping in? They are harvesting our genetics and there are many theories about why. Obviously the genetic aspect of these encounters abductions and contacts has no benefit to us. The greys seem to be drones, they are indifferent and we are just guinea pigs to them. The Agenda has been covered up and perhaps our leaders are hiding this because it is in fact disturbing and they are almost powerless to stop it. And maybe the Disclosure stuff is just more PR and meant to pacify our demands. That they are not friendly. We try to comfort dangerous animals like lions when we tag them as they are tranquilized by petting them.



I have a hard time believing the cover up is based on evil intent by so many people. Perhaps they understand WHY more than most if us that assume it is all for the military industrial complex agenda and power elites power mad ambitions. Not all people are bad even the richest people. The whole puzzle does not add up in that perspective. The evil conspiracy stuff is over done... there must me some common ground somewhere. There seems to be a game played by the PTB as well a psy-ops agenda ta play as well. Many players in the game still confusing and unclear.

What is Demonic?

You have demonology then you have religion then supernatural theories. Many of these evangelical types brand everything as some Satanic agenda to further scare people in to joining their church/cult. Its just sad to see where this leads to it is disinformation.

BUT


Again what is a demon? We all have some idea of what demons are perhaps inter dimensional beings from a negative plane. I just dont know but again these beings do not care that much about us if you ask me. I find all the sudden change of heart by the PTB to be suspicious, but something has got to give.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Excellent post.....

I have posted this link on some other threads when the alien/demon discussion comes up. I don't know your specific personal beliefs, but you might find this interesting regardless:

www.lastchanceministries.com...

I also like your Mike Donavan poster!!!

Somewhere in time negros were rounded up - probably promised something in return for their cooperation - and then they were shackled, put onto ships and became slaves.

Fast forward to 2010.

Aliens come and promise the government 'solutions' to all our woes, through their advanced technologies and our cooperation, we will again have Utopia. After all, they come in peace and they will tell us they are benevolent. Listen to my words, non-believers; you mock the word of God because you say you cannot use the Bible as evidence to prove it's validity yet the aliens will come and you will accept anything they tell you as truth, just because you feel they are a higher species? Technology and advancement does not make one automatically your friend. Trust is something that has to be earned, not just taken at face value.

When the beings come and promise peace and safety, then the end will come. Those who are lost will be deceived by the demons disguised as benevolent aliens. Your government will submit to their authority for a short time, and they will take all those who become submissive to them. However, it is a trick, you will become a slave for all eternity.

Please stop viewing us as evil. Your kind is not evolved enough yet at the genetic level for the technology you are looking for. It is not far off that you will reach this level. Yes, there are those from worlds with less than good intentions, but most come from places who have already reached the DNA level of activation you require for the alternative technology you seek. We cannot interfere with your social issues, you must learn on your own as so many other species before you have done. There is more of your technology than you know that is from outside sources. It is your governments that choose the path of non-disclosure. Would any of your kind land in the open in a world that has been conditioned to view you as evil and having only ill-intent? To come here, we must acquire vessels that are adaptive and native to this world. We have the same emotions and base needs as you. You pass many of us on the streets daily and see no difference. If you were to see any of us in the forms we had before we came here, you would not understand and would see us as so different you would only wish to capture and study.

Our place here is to help. You do not understand this motivation because you have not evolved beyond the need for an economic system. There are many of you who do listen and understand, and many who do not. It is not our place to influence the choices of free will, only to guide those who seek the help. The problem tends to be that your kind seek help in technology first. We are here to guide you to the proper frequencies, so that your DNA will activate the dormant strands, thus initiating the proper evolution to handle travel beyond your front yard. In order to get to this stage of evolution, it requires a shedding of all materialistic viewpoints of society and understanding the true nature of energy. This cannot be understood with scientific measurements because as your physicists have discovered, once you measure something you change it. You must get beyond this way of thinking before you can advance, and the only way to do that is to see the true nature of spirituality because the energy used to manipulate travel beyond your current capabilities is the energy that binds all things together. It is not at light speed which we travel. It is through manipulation of energy.

So be a little patient and do not panic. All will reveal in due course.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier
Hiya Soldier. I enjoyed your post, but I can't pass by without making a point about Bob Dean.

This all stems from new agers and charlatans like Stephen Greer to former Government intel like Bob Dean and Clifford Stone "whom i like and hope are telling the truth" at the same time why should we trust them? Perhaps they are cover up operatives ?

He's a flat out contemptible liar.

If you have 10 minutes to spare, load up his Project Camelot interview on google video and skip through it. Wherever you stop, he's in the middle of telling a whopper and shedding crocodile tears. Both him and Cliff cry in the same places of their narratives. In the PC interviews, Dean makes such 'bold' claims as having met annunaki, travelled on alien spacecraft, time-travelled, seen Nibiru,,,'Oh it's a wonderful, beautiful place....sniff...sob.'

For a man with such experience, why is he now haunting the conference circuit (crying again!) with old NASA images that he claims shows alien bases on Mars and spaceships following the Apollo missions? Not just that, but his images have been identified for years! Why doesn't he tell his audience the same BS he told Project Camelot?

In the gallery of bad human beings that litter ufology, this guy is one of the worst in my opinion. Sure, he's not caused as much damage as Greer, but he's equally manipulative and deceitful.

As for Cliff Stone. He comes across as a nice guy who's stories got away from him. My favourite is his account of an alien mass-abduction of a whole Cambodian/Vietnamese village. It was prevented by a GI with a bible in his pocket. LMAO!!

I guess my point is they seem to be the Fallen ones, and were always here i mean these beings "greys" are drawn on cave walls. We are too stuck in the old way on thinking in that Angels looked like the cherubs and were really described if you have read the old religion books as "ambiguous" not having genitals. They were bipedal had an aura around them came down from the sky ect. God created man in his image , the angels became jealous.. they were cast out as pointed out by other members here. It actually does add up and is consistent with religious lore. The good book based on true stories. And when a story is passed down man to man spoken around camp fires for so long there swill be some alteration from the original story. So maybe more detail was lost before the Bible was written. But a general idea that is before us today in that THEY are the fallen ones. So isn't it safe to say angels and demons look the same? Or if they manifest they could manifest in some generic yet familiar form as the tall Nordics or tall whites? They greys and these more human looking beings have been seen working side by side note the Travis Waltons story. Satan was accounted as being beautiful with great horns as in the instrument not the animal appendage.

When we hear demon we think of some monstrous creature dwelling in the earth crust possessing 12 year old girls making them vomit split pea soup. I think the problem lies in what i just brought up in the "rumor mill" passing down of stories. It could be the lack of evidence is due to these beings not existing in a physical form. That they manifest in our bedrooms and over our vehicles on some dark road. Many abductions mention these beings having a sense of "we are god" like the kelly cahill case. Also i remember Whitley Strieber describing an encounter where he was Kicking and Screaming saying "GOD please help me" and the greys saying "were are the only ones here" dont remember if it was the Communion or the Confirmation book.

I remain optimistic to what they are, but them being Demons historically seems to be the case. Undecided but open to it.

Originally posted by Luminakisharblaze
Please stop viewing us as evil. Your kind is not evolved enough yet at the genetic level for the technology you are looking for. It is not far off that you will reach this level.

Who is US? And who is "your kind" the third person thing has me confused?

Please don't tel me you are another one of the "i am an alien" people

If so why use the internet > ATS

And not just come out of the galactic closet

I think that whenever people see the word 'demon' they immediately assume that religion is being brought into the UFO discussion and resent it.

I, for one , have been saying that aliens are demonic. Demonic in the sense that they share our universe and function at different vibration rate but can err into our plane. Their purpose is evil in the sense that inter-action with us is destructive.They are elusive and can manifest where they choose. I would not hug a slimey creature as a grey.

Demonic entities are often seen by psychics and occultists. The features are a combination of reptilian, larvae appearance.

Unidentified objects in the sky are often man-made (secret technology) craft and sometimes they are not. When they are not, they have the characteristic of plasma intelligent lights.

The UFO discussion could become more positive if we all agreed that there are different types of phenomenon in the sky. For instance in Hessdalen you can witness various show of lights that seem to have some kind of intelligence behind them. This is very different from a triangle that has red light flashing under it carriage.

Therefore I believe that there is room for both points of view. Those who believe in secret human technology are right, just as much as those who believe in entities from difference plane/space. The two types exist.

My own research has focussed on the metaphysical aspect. I have witnessed a lot of weird objects in the sky and concluded that there are hundreds of things flying about over our head all the time. These can be captured on film with the right equipment.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

Hiya Soldier. I enjoyed your post, but I can't pass by without making a point about Bob Dean.

This all stems from new agers and charlatans like Stephen Greer to former Government intel like Bob Dean and Clifford Stone "whom i like and hope are telling the truth" at the same time why should we trust them? Perhaps they are cover up operatives ?

He's a flat out contemptible liar.

If you have 10 minutes to spare, load up his Project Camelot interview on google video and skip through it. Wherever you stop, he's in the middle of telling a whopper and shedding crocodile tears. Both him and Cliff cry in the same places of their narratives. In the PC interviews, Dean makes such 'bold' claims as having met annunaki, travelled on alien spacecraft, time-travelled, seen Nibiru,,,'Oh it's a wonderful, beautiful place....sniff...sob.'

For a man with such experience, why is he now haunting the conference circuit (crying again!) with old NASA images that he claims shows alien bases on Mars and spaceships following the Apollo missions? Not just that, but his images have been identified for years! Why doesn't he tell his audience the same BS he told Project Camelot?

In the gallery of bad human beings that litter ufology, this guy is one of the worst in my opinion. Sure, he's not caused as much damage as Greer, but he's equally manipulative and deceitful.

As for Cliff Stone. He comes across as a nice guy who's stories got away from him. My favourite is his account of an alien mass-abduction of a whole Cambodian/Vietnamese village. It was prevented by a GI with a bible in his pocket. LMAO!!

I agree i like them as the uncle that tells great big fish story's. In my younger "naive" years i was blown away and caught in the whirl wind of such sensationalistic stories. The apollo booster rocket "UFO" picture in Barcelona presentation was were i had to step back and re evaluate the guy. You are dead on about the tears on cue part too

Thing is these guys seem trained alike in the emotional aspect or acting. I know men cry but something stinks about the segments mentioned, was over done.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Us would be extraterrestrial and extradimensionals.

Why use the internet? How else would I communicate on this planet?

And I am not sure what you would consider coming out of the galactic closet.

This is a most curious thread

There has been as much evidence for "demons" as for "aliens" over time. They are the same of course. A group of entities interacting with us since the dawn of time, who hold knowledge, and grant favours. They can perform seemingly impossible things, and assume a variety of guises.
We have historically the story of the watchers, the fallen who bred with humans. The flood seemed to stop them, as they would have gained a certain mortality in doing so. The brought many types of strange knowledge., including metallurgy, astronomy, etc.
In the intervening millenia, there has been a constant assortment of strange phenomena, partly physical, partly supernatural. While we could debate the validity oif any of these individually, there are too many to dismiss, entirely, something else is here with us.
The standard ET theories don't hold any water, 90 billion miles to talk to a redneck? But the overall result is clear, fear, pain, humiliation, confusion, and so on. There is also a lot that suggests they are telepathic, and can create scenarios based on your thoughts. Possibly technological, but also possibly telepathic, something distinctly non-tech.
Also, 99.9% percent of ufo encounters are purely visual. It's easier to create the appearance of a "space ship" than to create a real one, they are all mirages. (IMHO "bluebeam" is a project to create technologically what can be done ... "demonically").
It all runs around your beliefs of what you are. If you believe you are an organism, then aliens are the only possible solution to the evidence. If you believe your organic self is only half your human existance or potential, then there maybe is another set of realites, of which we are part, and of which we know nothing.

Originally posted by Luminakisharblaze

And I am not sure what you would consider coming out of the galactic closet.

Every alien's got a space ship man!

How fast is it???

Originally posted by harryhaller

The standard ET theories don't hold any water, 90 billion miles to talk to a redneck? But the overall result is clear, fear, pain, humiliation, confusion, and so on. There is also a lot that suggests they are telepathic, and can create scenarios based on your thoughts. Possibly technological, but also possibly telepathic, something distinctly non-tech.
Also, 99.9% percent of ufo encounters are purely visual. It's easier to create the appearance of a "space ship" than to create a real one, they are all mirages.

I quite agree with most of what you say. In fact we are constantly creating 'psychic' connections with entities. An avid UFO hunter often creates the condition for manifestation of an alien craft (which can be photographed) by the very passion he has. This is the reason why we should not look up to Mr Alien. Things are not what they seem.

reply to post by crowdedskies

In fact we are constantly creating 'psychic' connections with entities. An avid UFO hunter often creates the condition for manifestation of an alien craft (which can be photographed) by the very passion he has. This is the reason why we should not look up to Mr Alien. Things are not what they seem.

Perhaps? How does this explain the great many sightings by people with no interest in UFOs? On two separate occasions (with witnesses), I've seen true UFOs and on neither occasion were any of us thinking about UFOs, aliens or anything similar.

Likewise, how does it explain the singular lack of success amongst UFO researchers? They spend their lives thinking about UFOs and never see one.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by crowdedskies

 

In fact we are constantly creating 'psychic' connections with entities. An avid UFO hunter often creates the condition for manifestation of an alien craft (which can be photographed) by the very passion he has. This is the reason why we should not look up to Mr Alien. Things are not what they seem.

Perhaps? How does this explain the great many sightings by people with no interest in UFOs? On two separate occasions (with witnesses), I've seen true UFOs and on neither occasion were any of us thinking about UFOs, aliens or anything similar.

Likewise, how does it explain the singular lack of success amongst UFO researchers? They spend their lives thinking about UFOs and never see one.

Very good question. The answer to your first point is that there are many types of sky activity - from secret technology right through to plasma and natural electrical phemnomenon. Then there are also inteligent entities and things that do not fall into any categories we have discussed.

Second point. Those who are dedicated to Ufology put sometimes too much emphasis on the physical and use too much reason. Hence the lack of success for some of them. Perhaps having an open mind helps. As I stated in my first ever thread on ATS , Ufology must embrace other things such as Philisophy, Physics, the Occult as well as science. This prevents the unnecessary rejection of the less plausible.

Originally posted by harryhaller
This is a most curious thread

There has been as much evidence for "demons" as for "aliens" over time. They are the same of course. A group of entities interacting with us since the dawn of time, who hold knowledge, and grant favours. They can perform seemingly impossible things, and assume a variety of guises.
We have historically the story of the watchers, the fallen who bred with humans. The flood seemed to stop them, as they would have gained a certain mortality in doing so. The brought many types of strange knowledge., including metallurgy, astronomy, etc.
In the intervening millenia, there has been a constant assortment of strange phenomena, partly physical, partly supernatural. While we could debate the validity oif any of these individually, there are too many to dismiss, entirely, something else is here with us.
The standard ET theories don't hold any water, 90 billion miles to talk to a redneck? But the overall result is clear, fear, pain, humiliation, confusion, and so on. There is also a lot that suggests they are telepathic, and can create scenarios based on your thoughts. Possibly technological, but also possibly telepathic, something distinctly non-tech.
Also, 99.9% percent of ufo encounters are purely visual. It's easier to create the appearance of a "space ship" than to create a real one, they are all mirages. (IMHO "bluebeam" is a project to create technologically what can be done ... "demonically").
It all runs around your beliefs of what you are. If you believe you are an organism, then aliens are the only possible solution to the evidence. If you believe your organic self is only half your human existance or potential, then there maybe is another set of realites, of which we are part, and of which we know nothing.

I agree, this is a great synopsis


Something is indeed here with us

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by crowdedskies

 

In fact we are constantly creating 'psychic' connections with entities. An avid UFO hunter often creates the condition for manifestation of an alien craft (which can be photographed) by the very passion he has. This is the reason why we should not look up to Mr Alien. Things are not what they seem.

Perhaps? How does this explain the great many sightings by people with no interest in UFOs? On two separate occasions (with witnesses), I've seen true UFOs and on neither occasion were any of us thinking about UFOs, aliens or anything similar.

Likewise, how does it explain the singular lack of success amongst UFO researchers? They spend their lives thinking about UFOs and never see one.

This is true, during my UFO sightings the last thing on my mind before was UFO or aliens. I was not prepared thus i would have some great footage had i wished these objects in to my reality. That is why i do not believe there is such thing as a UFO hunter, all photos are caught by chance or random incidents mostly if all. There is no successful UFO hunter to date that i can recall. It is such a rare occurrence to get anything not even counting black projects like TR3B.