G Edward Griffin Exposes Conspiracy - Monsanto's Aluminum Resistant Seeds and Geoengineering

I hope Phage follows this over to the new thread. I also hope the 2 threads don't confuse?
This one does seem appropriate, but perhaps not as much as a specific thread with questions to the gentleman.
EVERYONE SWITCH: Yes?
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reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Yes, everyone please go to the new thread that ATS Member Pianopraze has created.
I will move over there, and discontinue answering here. All abourd!

reply to post by Phage


This is to Phage, whom I left this same message on the thread he felt the need to start. I first left him a message on page 6 of his thread and he had a very poor response to my question, so, this was what I returned with.


So, that's the extent of your response? That's all you got? The source you provided is something that I already have, but, thanks for the supposed "effort."

So, where are the degrees that I asked for regarding your experience in any of the following areas?
1. Degree in Physics
2. Degree in Chemistry
3. Degree in Geoengineering?
4. Or how about a degree in Meteorology?
If you can provide nothing in the way of experience or an education in this field, why on EARTH should we take your opinion, which is all you have provided, as truth about the existence of chemtrails?

Do you really think these people on this video have really LIED Phage? Why did you choose to go from the original thread to make this one when there were scientists getting ready to defend their position? Some of the more astute people on this site would call that a "bait and switch tactic." Let me define and explain this a bit further in easy to understand language. You chose to create a diversion. By creating this thread, you took traffic away from the other so that people would not give their attention to pertinent information which would have served as not only a great defense for the existence of geo-engineering and chemtrails, but, a massive attack against anything that you would have to offer as a counterargument.

I also notice how you continue using the word aluminum, but forget the combustible element that is ACTUALLY used in their aerosols, which is ALUMINUM OXIDE. Aluminum isn't the issue my friend...you drink out of that every time you have a coke.

The key word to describe Aluminum Oxide is COMBUSTIBLE. Here's the patent which describes such elements. By the way, SULFUR is also another one of the elements used, as listed in the patent.
www.google.com...

So lets re-phrase a question that someone posed to you earlier...
"Phage, would you be comfortable drinking water that was laden with 3.6% aluminum oxide and sulfur?" This is totally relevant as there were many deflections to this question, so, I feel the need to specify.

I think I already know the answers to the above questions, especially the last one, so, lets get onto the next question.

With all of the information out there that exists that supports the idea of chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather manipulation provided by the government itself, why are you so adamant, despite sound scientific research in support of said category, in trying to disprove a phenomenon that can be seen merely by looking up to the sky? Do you realize that it has become SO incredibly noticeable that a collective of millions in multiple countries world-wide have complained to credible global news organizations which has literally caused the act of anti-legislation? Where were you when that happened Phage? Guys like you are a dying breed who continue to play damage control when the obvious is staring you right between the eyes.

What you refuse to observe as reality has already been accepted as fact by those who have used their skills of observation and research. These are the people whom we can thank for pointing out the obvious to our leaders who have purposely sought to poison the environment. These are the people you can thank for at least attempting to purify the air that YOU BREATHE Phage, without judgement that you are attempting to sell them down the river every time you lie and spread counterintelligence which contradicts the OBVIOUS. (I hope you notice that I am purposefully using the word OBVIOUS repeatedly. I'm sure you are aware of the power of repetition, because you use it often.)

Now, If you are actually this unaware of your surroundings, I guess I will have to suffice to say that apparently, WE SIMPLY KNOW SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T. You're hanging onto your own world-view instead of evolving to reality which prevents your own personal growth, not ours. Additionally, parroting outdated material and lying for any number of purposes only will destroy your credibility in the end-game...you realize that, don't you? Someone of your intelligence is quite aware of the role you are playing. With all of the information and knowledge at your disposal, truly, there is NO REASON why you should still be taking the position that you are with geo-engineering unless there's something on the line...something that you're protecting

By the way...I was asked to post to this particular thread.

reply to post by Qcuailon


Thank you much for your very pertinent questions.
I am not opposed to this thread continuing, I am sure you understand the
reason we moved Dr. Thyme to a new thread.

You are more than welcome to continue here and ask questions.

University of Calgary under contract by Aurora Flight Sciences
Geoengineering Final Report October 2010

“Geoengineering cost analysis”. In the report there evidence of the entire geoengineering from the secret bases, to the payload, to what type of aircraft or “airship” will be the most cost effective to particulates throughout the earths atmosphere.

The final report also included budgets for different applications for aerosol dispersal within the atmosphere.

Just a tiny excerpt:

JetBlue is a low cost airline that operates a fleet of 110 Airbus A320-200s and 41 Embraer
190s. Because of their homogeneous fleet, Jetblue is a good airline for cost comparison.
By assuming a passenger and luggage mass of 113 kg each, JetBlue’s 21.9M
passengers in 2008 equal 2.48 million tonnes flown a year. Multiplying this by
their average stage length of 1,820 km (1,120 mi), JetBlue flew 4,508 million
tonne-kilometers in 2008.

Geoengineering represents 7% of the JetBlue tonnekilometers
per year and this is the factor used to scale JetBlue costs for comparison

people.ucalgary.ca...

reply to post by burntheships


great data!

I've come at this from nothing, and your data is far superior to anything phage and others have presented so far.

But so far it is all circumstantial... it makes a heck of the case.

reply to post by pianopraze

Heck of a case.

I don't see anything about "secret bases" in the report. But I do see that they conclude blimps would be the most cost effective vehicle to be used. Has anyone seen any blimps laying out "chemtrails"?

Another proposal waiting for something to happen.

This study focuses on airplane operations, not exclusively, but yes it focuses on airplane operations.

As posted above, Jet Blue already has a budget for geoengineering.

So, what part of the of Jet Blue's geoengineering budget is spent on ariplane operations?

I would say, since Jet Blue does not operate Blimps...then 100% of Jet Blues geoengineering budget is on airplane operations.

This study focuses on airplane and airship operations to the stratosphere to release a geoengineering payload with the goal of reducing incoming solar flux. Airships are also considered for this mission. To provide a comparison to conventional aircraft operations, more exotic concepts such as rockets, guns, and suspended pipes are also examined….For maximum cooling impact, the particulate payloads are best placed near the equator.

This study assumes that the payload is released within latitudes 30°N and 30°S, though North-South basing location had minimal effect on cost. Transit operations, flying East- West between equally spaced bases around the equator, were examined as a method to ensure adequate dispersal of the payload around the equator. Global winds aid in East-West dispersal so a smaller number of bases and shorter range systems (referred to as Regional operations) can be employed with minimal impact on dispersal. Region- al operations allow the dispersal leg length to be dictated by the desired release rate of 0.03kg/m flown. This means the airplanes fly no further than they have to, on the order of 300-800 km, and fuel costs are minimized.” – Aurora Flight Sciences: Geoengineering Final report Yearly cost estimates from different dispersal methods ranged from over 1 billion dollars a year all the way up to rocket dispersed aerosol in the upper atmosphere at the cost of over 100 billion dollars per year.

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Bases and Airports world wide have been studied, and are prepared for use in GeoEngineering,
releasing atmosheric aerosols into the air.

Regional dispersal from several bases provides fuel cost savings and particulate is
spread globally via winds. A notional basing strategy is shown (Figure 4) with arrows
indicating the direction prevailing winds will carry the released particulate.

Care is taken to choose bases capable of supporting high-tempo geoengineering operations
and with the land available to allow any ramp or hanger expansion necessary.

It should be noted that the costs of any facility improvement are not included in the cost
analysis presented in subsequent sections.

DHL recently built a state-of-the-art Central Asia Cargo Hub at Hong Kong Airport, the faculty is designed to handle 2.6M tonnes annually and required investment of approximately $1B.8
For aircraft operations, fuel burn is estimated using the mission profile shown

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reply to post by burntheships

Shall we adjust that bolding a bit?

This study focuses on airplane and airship operations to the stratosphere to release a geoengineering payload with the goal of reducing incoming solar flux.

The study does not say JetBlue has a budget for geoengineering. It says that their study calling for 1M tons per year is the same as 7% of the load that JetBlue carries. It says that it would make up 30% of Mesa Air's load. It says it would make up 3% of Southwest.

This is a cost estimate. They are using those numbers to produce cost estimates. They do not say that those airlines have a budget for geoengineering. And they also say that using blimps would be cheaper than using airplanes.

No indication that anything is being done.

So those "secret bases" are really secret since they are talked about in the estimate.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze

 

Heck of a case.

I don't see anything about "secret bases" in the report. But I do see that they conclude blimps would be the most cost effective vehicle to be used. Has anyone seen any blimps laying out "chemtrails"?

Another proposal waiting for something to happen.

I'm not sure where your going with that...

... but off topic I have heard a lot about blimps. They were working on a huge Blimp in the 70's and it went black. I think that the missouri sighting by the cops back in the last 90's that chased a huge "house sized" ufo across several counties of missouri and illinois was this "stealth blimp." The plans and theories of this blimp were recorded in several magazines then it went "dark" a way a lot of the projects that eventually become Top Secret US planes go dark. These blimps are capable of hovering and very fast speeds because they have a rigid triangular frame.

I'm pretty sure we have these "stealth blimps" and they account for a certain percentage of triangular UFO's. Before the f117 and B2 were revealed, they had been in combat operation for years and there were many "UFO" sightings of them. I have no clue if they are hooked in with geoengineering. I'm not sure you really were being more than tongue in cheek

If they are spraying them, it would be at night and that's not what is being reported.

Originally posted by burntheships

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edit on 4-3-2011 by burntheships because: format

Wow. That report lays it out there. great find

It doesn't say it's in operation but it lays out the how to do it!

reply to post by pianopraze


Thanks, and this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of documentation.

While we do not have a smoking gun yet to prove that that mitigation is underway,
this one report does indeed state that experiments have taken place.

Most studies of geoengineering focus on the release of SO2
or H2S gas into the stratosphere where over time (~1 month), they are converted to
condensable H2SO4. Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting
H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of
incoming flux.

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reply to post by burntheships


This is from your quote:

Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of incoming flux.

H2SO4 is sulfuric acid! link.
These guys are batpoop crazy!

This stuff interacts will all sorts of chemicals and creates all sorts of compounds (wiki source above):

Concentrated sulfuric acid reacts with sodium chloride, and gives hydrogen chloride gas and sodium bisulfate:
NaCl + H2SO4 → NaHSO4 + HCl

This is leathal poison gas!

These reactions may be taken as typical: the hot concentrated acid generally acts as an oxidizing agent

ibid

I've been noticing that things seem to "weather" much quicker than they used to. Maybe it's because of Acid rain, or maybe it's because they are dropping acid on us! New metal signs oxidize much quicker than they used too.

Apart from that, sulfuric acid is a constituent of acid rain, which is formed by atmospheric oxidation of sulfur dioxide in the presence of water – i.e., oxidation of sulfurous acid. Sulfur dioxide is the main byproduct produced when sulfur-containing fuels such as coal or oil are burned.

There are obviously plenty of causes of this already in our atmosphere, but if they are spraying it...........

some one posted that the world needs a big face palm the other day... I agree!

reply to post by pianopraze


They wouldnt do that would they?

Pierce, oh yes, let me get that info for you....

Here it is; A very respected name in Geoengineering.
One of his papers, referred to here on NASA.gov.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

An abstract of his work here:
www.agu.org...

reply to post by burntheships


Hey, I'll keep checking in here too. You're doing good work and i am a member of your team. I really like Pauling's General Chemistry from the early 60's as the chemistry book of choice - but that was before all the theory got superimposed on the real facts. I think that science breaks down when it chooses to dis the reality of spirituality. There is more going on than there seems.

Do you think there is any connection between geo-engineering and HARRP ? The frequencies of various elements are unique - but we really don't know about how things get together when waves occupy the same space at different frequencies. I'll look at the links you've posted and see what i can find.

reply to post by lemmehowdt


Dr Thyme,

Out of the utmost respect for you, I have refrained from posting this information in the new thread.

I do not wish to detract from the discussion there, however, you can use this thread as a reference,
or I could post quotes there also, at your discretion.

I realize you must relish the pursuit of truth; you have shown your fortitude clearly.
Thank you, I admire your professional approach you bring with your credentials.

My hat is off to you sir.

I just don't understand how these two creatures, weedwhacker and phage, seem to be fairly smart, yet they have NOTHING BETTER TO DO ALL DAY EVERY DAY than to hang about on kooky conspiracy websites, shooting down and derailing any threads about 911 or chemtrails. WHO ARE THESE GUYS? What are THEIR qualifications for anything\? And more importantly, don't they have jobs or anything? Check out the timing on their posts, you can see they are here all the time, apparently these "genius scientists" or whatever you dingbats think they are, have nothing better to do than hang out on a forum like this all day?

Me , I AM an unemployed, kooky conspiracy wingnut! And even I am not here nearly as much as they are! Doesn't this make anyone suspicious of them?

You two, refer me to your boss, I could do a much better job than you two....

Originally posted by burntheships

Most studies of geoengineering focus on the release of SO2
or H2S gas into the stratosphere where over time (~1 month), they are converted to
condensable H2SO4. Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting
H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of
incoming flux.

people.ucalgary.ca...

Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by burntheships

 

This is from your quote:

Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of incoming flux.

H2SO4 is sulfuric acid! link.
These guys are batpoop crazy!

This stuff interacts will all sorts of chemicals and creates all sorts of compounds (wiki source above):

Concentrated sulfuric acid reacts with sodium chloride, and gives hydrogen chloride gas and sodium bisulfate:
NaCl + H2SO4 → NaHSO4 + HCl

This is leathal poison gas!

These reactions may be taken as typical: the hot concentrated acid generally acts as an oxidizing agent

ibid

Well I was not wanting to learn that this has taken place. It would have been my wish to find this whole thing a really bad nightmare. However, we are wide awake, and find this!

Further digging has produced even more documentation!

My first thought in reading the above information on SO2 & H2S gas released into the statosphere was how did they do that?

Here is a smoking gun on Sulfate Aerosols in Jet Fuel!

Commentary on the Status of Climate Engineering and Discussion of Options for Reflecting Sunlight Using Soot and Sulfate Aerosols Delivered to the Stratosphere by Jet Aircraft

by Alvia Gaskill, Jr. Environmental Reference Materials, Inc. Research Triangle Park, N.C.

October 22, 2006

Option 1: Increasing Sulfur Content of Jet Fuel in Commercial Fleet

This option involves increasing the sulfur content of jet fuel for the commercial fleet of jet aircraft (around 20,000 planes today) from 0.04% to 0.6 and increasing to 0.9% by 2050. Sulfur dioxide gas is emitted in the turbine exhaust and ideally, nearly all of it converted to sulfuric acid gas and then to sulfuric acid aerosol. The sulfuric acid aerosol floats around in the stratosphere for 1-2 years and reflects sunlight. The level in jet fuel is raised each year to match increased greenhouse gas emissions.

www.library4science.com...
www.global-warming-geo-engineering.org...

geoengineering could happen before a global climate treaty ever passes the U.S. Senate, suggests Victor. International climate talks rest on getting 192 self-interested and short-sighted nations to cooperate in ways that will benefit some and cost others, particularly coal-powered ones such as the United States and China. But with geoengineering, you only need one nation to start "hacking," or geoengineering, the planet.

"It would be not at all surprising to wake up one morning and discover that Chinese testing (of geoengineering) has begun on a large scale," Victor says. "That would freak everyone out and create huge international tensions."

No international treaty governs geoengineering, other than a 2008 amendment to ocean pollution agreements limiting ocean fertilization to research studies.

www.usatoday.com...