Ancient Anomalies and Aliens - Part 1: Art

reply to post by Zagari


I absolutely agree. Scientists from the 20's said that traveling to the moon would be impossible. They never came up with the idea of staged rockets.

Alot of crap has been thought impossible. Need to think outside the box.

reply to post by CHA0S


and Talk about Halo!




The Pic Above ..
where did i see this before From a some Scifi Movie .. or a Underwater Scifi Movie

The Illuminated Lights surrounding the Head gear I have seen this before

The Other Suit to the Right
One movie come to mind is
The 5th Element alien

The Ridicules Head Bulky Metal Armored Alien in a suit ( Mondoshawan ) that are the Owners of the Stones Took
at Beginning of the Movie



another is The Space suit (minus the Illuminated Helm ) in 1979 Alien

a more detail look is on

Nostromo Space Suit

Gamerartisans.org
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still trying to think what movie i saw the Halo Lighted like Space Helm

but this is close i can get in searching

any one have any luck please post..

reply to post by CHA0S


Excellent post and collection.

You may want to include the UFO 'battle' over Nuremberg, Germany in 1561 in your timeline. (I see you have one in Basel, Switzerland, right about the same time)

reply to post by CHA0S


Great thread! I love the ancient aliens series. However the last picture you have of airplanes are not ancient they are models that were made to mimic the more popular picture we see of these.

I do believe in aliens and I do believe that we have been visited before throughout the centuries.

I find many of the art work to be fascinating. I could stare at it and speculate all day what it is.


The other picture from Egypt with what looks like planes and such well I really don't care for their explanation for how it looks like that. To me it looks too perfect to be layers coming off to look like that. Their answer just doesn't make sense to me.

S&F

Look forward to part two!

reply to post by lifeform11

thinking about it, it does sound more plausible than aliens, and would explain a lot if not all in the O.P., but i have no idea if time travel is even possible, unless they are from our future when it might be possible.

Time travel seems more plausible than Aliens visiting Earth to you? Yet, you don't even know time travel is possible? So, how are you measuring the plausibility that we've been visited? We are the only intelligent species mainstream science knows of, and we aren't yet very far advanced. We've just entered the electronic age not very long ago, so I don't see how you could use our understanding of science to measure the plausibility either.

However, time travel would explain a few things that need explanation. For instance, the design of those golden planes is aerodynamic, it has all the common parts of an aircraft. But why would Aliens be using aircrafts like that? They don't have a space shuttle design at all, they are completely different, and obviously A LOT closer to a jet, the shape of the wings make that clear, and most jets don't have engines under the wings. Space doesn't have air, they are clearly made to fly in an atmosphere like Earths, not space. And also, I doubt interstellar space ships (which actual ET's would need to get here) would even have a design that looks similar to any of our space craft. So I'm making several observations here:

1) The golden planes depict aircraft
2) The golden planes don't depict space craft
3) The golden planes don't depict alien space craft

Also take into consideration the Nazca lines. If they are what they look like, air strips, then the same logic applies here. Only a craft that needs to gain speed and use it's aerodynamic design to its advantage needs a runway to take off. Space shuttles and other more advanced craft made for space don't use a runway, especially interstellar craft. You can't say the Aliens came here from so far away in interstellar craft but then needed to build a massive runway to leave again, it doesn't really make sense does it? I see two possibilities:

1) The Aliens started to teach us about aeronautics and flight.
2) Humans once before have reached a technologically advanced state beyond even our current development, but for some reason it appears most of them left for space and are in fact now the Aliens to the rest of us. This would explain why we supposedly look very similar to some races.

EDIT: There are of course two other possibilities I forgot to mention:

3) Time travelling Humans, or maybe just transmission of objects through time.
4) The Aliens were using normal aircraft during their time here because it's more efficient.

i think one of the strongest proof of something off about these paintings is the similarities between the art in question from around the world. In my opinion (just an opinion) i believe ancient aliens could be the source for the most recognized symbols for godliness in the world. the halo. the halo is used across the world as a symbol for a higher being. from Christianity to Buddhism if someone in art has a halo the are god-like. and i think the halo looks suspiciously like a type of exosuit helmet.

Originally posted by wavemaker

Originally posted by Phage

 

Why didn't the ancient people think of drawing computers? Did they think of drawing skyscrapers? Did they think of drawing bicycles? Did they think of drawing cars? Did they think of drawing electric fans?

I actually I'm a little baffled at you. You painstakingly try to hang in this site debunking everything that doesn't conform with the government position. Obviously this site is not for you since you prefer the mainstream way of thinking but you are one of the loyal posters here. You are an enigma.

As for the type of technology aliens might have, why should we assume that it is machine age or computer age technology like we have? Would we expect them to have gasoline engines, steam engines or vacuum tube radios?

They seem to have developed something far beyond all that, just going by all these UFO reports--something we might not even recognize as machines, technology and engines in the 19th and 20th Century sense. If any of the contact reports are correct, then the aliens have all developed very advanced mental and psychic abilities and communicate from one mind to another directly.

I mean, that is almost a universal feature of every contact and abduction report of I've ever heard of, so we are dealing with civilizations that have some very advanced "mental technology", and have perhaps been "enhanced" in some way.

reply to post by knowonder


Think about it.

Wings: Flight
Halo: Helmet
Chariot of fire/fire breathing dragon: Alien craft

The question to ask is why the aliens went silent? If they were freely interfacing with humanity at one point to such an extent that they could leave monuments that are visible today then why did they leave and then go silent and seem to not be able to universally reveal themselves for some reason.

reply to post by Balkan

Who is suprised this got so many flags?? Everything in the OP has been discussed here on this website ad nauseam and most of it debunked over and over again, but here it all is once again (and again, and again...).

I would say more like most of it remains up for speculation. What you call debunking I often call opinion...and I didn't actually expect so many flags, I've got a lot more than I expected, people obviously find it fascinating.

So, the two main pieces of art I've heard skeptics get worked up about so far is the glyphs depicting what looks like a helicopter and other aircraft, and that crucifixion image. Firstly, to have all those odd looking glyphs in one "scene" like that is quite a coincidence. It could be an accidental illusion due to it being a palimpsest, but that isn't "proof" that's all it is, that isn't a conclusive debunking, it's wishful thinking. Nor can I prove it actually depicts advanced craft. And with the crucifixion image, just because you show me many other pictures which explains the symbolism of those objects to the left and right of Jesus (Sun and the Moon), doesn't conclusively prove anything either.

Wings, halos, beams of light coming down from disk shaped clouds...all that symbolism comes from Aliens being misinterpreted as divine beings. You think religious symbolism just so happens to bear resemblance to UFO's and Aliens, or is it Aliens happen to bear resemblance to religious symbolism because they are really the Gods and Angels? Essentially nothing has been debunked so far, yet you consider it all to be debunked. That's the biggest problem with "skeptics", they focus on the easiest thing to attack, and once they debunk that, they've magically debunked everything related to that one thing. That's why I made this thread, to put everything into one thread and sum it up for people, which people obviously appreciate as we can see.

honestly, this is not even an issue of debunking. Most of this is not legit. Ask any art historian, who's profession it is to study this, and they will tell you how foolish most of it is. We all need to believe in something...oh well

reply to post by rusethorcain


Meh, I am out of here. Another "magic only" thread

Whatever, you keep patting yourselves on the back "Has to be aliens" I will continue my search for answers.

reply to post by aew14

honestly, this is not even an issue of debunking. Most of this is not legit. Ask any art historian, who's profession it is to study this, and they will tell you how foolish most of it is.

So I assume you've asked some all knowing historians about most of these pictures then? Not legit you say? Ooo...yeah, it's CGI dude...move along.

Perhaps you care to debunk with facts, rather than a bias two liner?

Originally posted by aew14
honestly, this is not even an issue of debunking. Most of this is not legit. Ask any art historian, who's profession it is to study this, and they will tell you how foolish most of it is. We all need to believe in something...oh well

OOOHHH, Please be aware before you say something is not legit.
Historians? Main Stream Scientists? Academics? MSM? Politicians,,, Many have quoted such things such as we would never reach the moon let alone land on it! SO who is the foolish one here?
We have heard these may I say without offense "very blunt" assumptions before, when somebody said "THE EARTH IS FLAT" or "THE SUN ORBITS THE EARTH!...

Originally posted by adigregorio
Alright, I have found some information regarding the paintings. Or at least several of them:

An old canard used by UFO enthusiasts from the 1950s to the present has been debunked by an Italian art historian. The original material has been around since at least 2004, but since it was originally published in Skeptic magazine, most ufologists have chosen to ignore the analysis.

(Just for clarification of where this stuff is coming from)

Diego Cuoghi examined many of the strange, saucerlike objects hovering in the background of Italian renaissance paintings, and applied a thorough knowledge of Christian iconography to show that most, if not all of these examples can be explained as representations of saints, the holy spirit, angels etc.

This is what got me started in hunting down "holy spirit".

Those two pictures (first two) of the crucifixion. I noticed that they both depicted a "red UFO" and a "Blue/White UFO"

I said to myself, "Self, that has to be representing something "leaving JC's body". Like is spirit..."

Then I read this part, and it really makes sense:

Cuoghi also looked at a myriad of websites dealing with UFOs in old religious paintings and explains:

…no one of the authors of these web sites takes into account the symbolic meaning of these strange elements in respect to the art of the period. Worst of all, by considering these elements as the representation of something real or really seen by the artist, they assume that the artist, eg. an Italian artist of the ‘400 [likely translation error--should be "1400s] or an anonymous Byzantine painter, [would] actually be allowed to insert any non canonical or un-codified element into a religious representation.

(emphasis added)

That is a really good point. Why would they let this arteest paint something that would blasphemy their lord?

In other words, everything in Roman Catholic religious paintings had to be approved by the Church before any public display could be allowed. The local Cardinal would have questioned everything in the work, and if the artist just happened to have seen or heard of shiny flying plates didn’t mean that he could put them in his painting.

I really doubt that they would "allow" these to exist, if those objects were anything but religious icons. Whether or not the icon is "physical" or "allegorical" is going to be a doozy of a discussion!

I would assume that they are allegorical references to the "holy spirit" the same as Jehovah is a representation of the human brain in the Sistine chapel.

Sorry that my two posts so far have been on the negative side, I am actually saddened about this recent turn of events. I always found those paintings to be unique, now it seems that it was common practice.

The statues I suppose I can hunt for next, though I really want to look into that tribe + astronaut. So much to read, so little time.

Saucy Sorcy

(Oops)
DOH! This is the "magic only" thread! I am sorry, this could never be true it is not magical. Ignore me!

(Re-posted from earlier, sorry but I am tired of people asking for the evidence I have given already.)

reply to post by manalien


Yeah that or you are extremely paranoid.

I'm thinking the latter.

reply to post by Jupiter Crashes


I just realized what that poster was saying.

(Like I said "magic only" thread)

I wish we could know these things BEFORE getting involved in a topic.

reply to post by adigregorio

a thorough knowledge of Christian iconography to show that most, if not all of these examples can be explained as representations of saints, the holy spirit, angels etc.

Haha...so...how does that debunk them? Really...I mean come on...can you not see the absurd logic being used here?!? You can't argue the Alien element came from the symbolism by coincidence. If they are representations of saints and so on... then ask yourself why are they represented like that?!? That means nothing to you?

That is a really good point. Why would they let this arteest paint something that would blasphemy their lord?

They don't consider it to be blasphemous, that's the exact point. Is it a helmet, or is it a halo? Is a chariot of fire or is a craft that expels flames? Is it a divine cloud emitting holy light or is it a UFO emitting a beam? The answer is obvious IMO when coupled with other art from all over the world.

In other words, everything in Roman Catholic religious paintings had to be approved by the Church before any public display could be allowed. The local Cardinal would have questioned everything in the work, and if the artist just happened to have seen or heard of shiny flying plates didn’t mean that he could put them in his painting.

So then these objects are there for a reason, we know that much, And there we have a perfect example of how they filter out the really controversial stuff. UFO's are phased into clouds which shoot beams. Helmets into halos, they slowly try to phase out the Alien element and make it look like all the coincidental symbolism means nothing.

BTW, only to a small mind is an advanced intelligent life a magical concept my friend. Bring on the evidence to debunk these, I welcome it, so far I've seen the same two or 3 arguments over and over again, each about as ridiculous as the next one.

reply to post by CHA0S




Like I said "Magic Only"

I was hoping you, the OPer would want to discuss. I hoped too much.

Anyway, I am outta here. You keep patting yourselves on the back, you got some "real evidence" there...

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reply to post by adigregorio

I was hoping you, the OPer would want to discuss.

I just did discuss it and give my opinion, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear. You wanted to hear how great your evidence against it was, and how great it debunks it all. Well, truth is, it doesn't debunk squat diddly IMO, as I've explained several times now. Thanks for stopping by.