Is there a conspiracy to destroy the Bible

reply to post by IAMIAM


This not a personal reply to you, IAMIAM, because you already know, my friend. It is a reply for the other readers.

"Where does it say ..." Yes, it does say, in the Old Testament. See here: www.christian-reincarnation.com... and here: www.christian-reincarnation.com...

But Jesus never taught such things! If it may appear so in very few passages of the New Testament, it is because its texts have been written by men long after He died, men who didn't know better. Then came the Church and falsified His teachings to turn them into tools for power ...

Just analyzing here to understand the mind of a Christian. I was once a Christian but decided to leave the Church, but then realized I live in a Christian country and have to deal with my Christian neighbours and coworkers. I am currently deciding what to do with the rest of my life and my inevitable journey into the hereafter.

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Jesus is the living testament of God. He lived his life according to Gods will. What was that will? To love each other.

What have we done with this lesson?

Isn't it love to show your unbelieving neighbour that love?

We have allowed it to be usurped and controlled by Men for power, not love.

Isn't God supposed to prevent that?

Open your eyes, the Bible is a Book. Jesus lives outside a book. He lives in our hearts if you let him. You let him by following his example and loving each other. It was all he asked us to do.

I don't think it's right to think like that, afterall Jesus lived long ago, reincarnation doesn't exist, so he must have gone to Heaven and to have Jesus in my heart would mean I would be contacting the dead, which I shouldn't because this would open the door to many more saints. Since I will go to Heaven myself I might meet Jesus Himself and am content to wait, even if that means to wait an eternity because I imagine there are many who would like to talk to Him.

Love God with all your hearts, and your neighbor as yourself.

Where in that does it say keep the Bible as the word of God?

What else do we have? Other religions?

Where in that does it say lift yourself up over others because you have this book?

So you should let others decide where you will end up in life, this will lead to becoming a homeless and I don't want that. Sure I would want to let God decide but in my case I consider myself of reasonable intelligence, I should not be on the streets. And what if I let God decide, if I apply for a job and 10 other Christians apply who all believe God will choose them what do I say during the interview when asked why I should get the job; "because God told me" or "because I believe God wants this for me"? How would I know, I can't read God's mind, I just have to guess. Otherwise I would be at the same level as Jesus, which I'm not. Since I'm not like Jesus I will not end up on a cross suffering for all to see, which is kind of like a homeless but still I wouldn't want to.

Where in that does it say kill in his name?

Sooner or later people will have no space on this world left and cannot continue to grow, it is then that the different beliefs will have to kill eachother in order to survive. I wanted to be the optimist all my life and believe we can work it all out and live peacefully side by side but this can't be. Even if I joined some nonviolent religion, this would only mean that those who are violent would harm me and since I would not want to harm them I might as well exit rightaway.

Where in that does it say judge others?

I have to form an opinion about the reality I live in. I couldn't go on the rest of my life smiling and not thinking about this world. Sure I don't have to tell anyone whose feelings might be hurt, it is even wise to keep to myself even though I used to believe it is always better to talk and sort out differences.

Where in that does it say silence your heart?

No idea what you're talking about? I always thought you should talk from the heart and listen to it (but don't tell) and at times some angel might eavesdrop.

Where in that does it say there is no other ideas of God?

But accepting different ideas about God would be a different God. Sure I could say I would see the same God in a different manner, but then we're just looking. As soon as I look differently at God I would begin to view the world around me in a different way then I would respond in a different way and before I know it I'm down with some satanist doing satanic things and I wouldn't even be aware, it's all the same God right? Ofcourse I wouldn't because I believe in (and want) eternal love with just one woman, I think I would be more happier than to live an eternity with all kinds of different women.

Where in that does it say build empires up and control each other??

What else should we do, build a home in the woods and just don't bother with eachother? To those who crucified Jesus it appeared to them as if they had complete control over Him. But they didn't no matter how hard they tried.

Open your eyes, the bible is a book. Jesus, his lesson is in and comes from the heart.

Yes, his teachings is not his person. But I would still like to think about it and that takes place in the mind, when my mind is made up I'm sure I will feel better.

Have we not shed enough blood?

Physically, yes, mentally, no. Where the blood is like happiness. In fact, we are at a crossroads where we can choose to talk and hurt eachother from a distance the next couple of centuries or annihalate eachother physically.

Have we not let enough starve?

It would be a miracle if the richest countries would suddenly reach out to certain poor countries to make them more happy.

Have we not let enough suffer?

If we all had equal wealth both physically and mentally then suffering would end.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Just analyzing here to understand the mind of a Christian. I was once a Christian but decided to leave the Church, but then realized I live in a Christian country and have to deal with my Christian neighbours and coworkers. I am currently deciding what to do with the rest of my life and my inevitable journey into the hereafter.

Wonderful! Thank you for joining us my friend.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Isn't it love to show your unbelieving neighbour that love?

Yes indeed. Love your unbelieving neighbor as your self. Love, not condemn and convert.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Isn't God supposed to prevent that?

Nope. God gave ALL Man free will. He will not interfer, well unless thinks get too out of hand, in Mans decisions on how to use that free will. We must learn ourselves how to best use it.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
I don't think it's right to think like that, afterall Jesus lived long ago, reincarnation doesn't exist, so he must have gone to Heaven and to have Jesus in my heart would mean I would be contacting the dead, which I shouldn't because this would open the door to many more saints. Since I will go to Heaven myself I might meet Jesus Himself and am content to wait, even if that means to wait an eternity because I imagine there are many who would like to talk to Him.

Alexander the Great lived even before Jesus. Does he not still live today? If your Grandmother passes away, yet you keep her in your heart and think of er often, does she not still live?

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What else do we have? Other religions?

Do you need religion or a book to love one another? The Bible is merely a book which repeats over and over again, Love each other. It contains a fair amount of history of a certain tribe of people as well. Did you know that only 30 percent of the Bible is spiritual? The rest is history and law of one particular group of people.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
So you should let others decide where you will end up in life, this will lead to becoming a homeless and I don't want that. Sure I would want to let God decide but in my case I consider myself of reasonable intelligence, I should not be on the streets. And what if I let God decide, if I apply for a job and 10 other Christians apply who all believe God will choose them what do I say during the interview when asked why I should get the job; "because God told me" or "because I believe God wants this for me"? How would I know, I can't read God's mind, I just have to guess. Otherwise I would be at the same level as Jesus, which I'm not. Since I'm not like Jesus I will not end up on a cross suffering for all to see, which is kind of like a homeless but still I wouldn't want to.

I can't tell you what to do with your life my friend. I am a trained cryogenics technician. I choose to do what I do to help spread the word of God instead of my trade. God provides for me, but I sacrifice having the luxuries most are attached to.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Sooner or later people will have no space on this world left and cannot continue to grow, it is then that the different beliefs will have to kill eachother in order to survive. I wanted to be the optimist all my life and believe we can work it all out and live peacefully side by side but this can't be. Even if I joined some nonviolent religion, this would only mean that those who are violent would harm me and since I would not want to harm them I might as well exit rightaway.

You don't think God planned for our growth? Look up my friend. God gave us this beautiful backyard full of resources to explore and populate. If we all worked together, we just might be able to reach out to it. As to non-violence, look what violence has made of this world. I believe in a life here-after. Therefore, I am working for my next life. If their is a heaven, I do good to get there. If there is re-incarnation, I do good that the world I come back to is better. If there is neither, I do good that my grand kids get a better world. If my children die before me. I do good for yours.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
I have to form an opinion about the reality I live in. I couldn't go on the rest of my life smiling and not thinking about this world. Sure I don't have to tell anyone whose feelings might be hurt, it is even wise to keep to myself even though I used to believe it is always better to talk and sort out differences.

Opinions are good. Sharing them is good. Thats how we learn about each other and bond. Recognising that all we have are opinions, is the important thing.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
No idea what you're talking about? I always thought you should talk from the heart and listen to it (but don't tell) and at times some angel might eavesdrop.

Yep.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
But accepting different ideas about God would be a different God. Sure I could say I would see the same God in a different manner, but then we're just looking. As soon as I look differently at God I would begin to view the world around me in a different way then I would respond in a different way and before I know it I'm down with some satanist doing satanic things and I wouldn't even be aware, it's all the same God right? Ofcourse I wouldn't because I believe in (and want) eternal love with just one woman, I think I would be more happier than to live an eternity with all kinds of different women.

My friend, if we all formed a circle and stared up at a disco ball, we would all have a different description of what we see. It would still be a disco ball. You know what love is. That is all that matters.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What else should we do, build a home in the woods and just don't bother with eachother? To those who crucified Jesus it appeared to them as if they had complete control over Him. But they didn't no matter how hard they tried.

All I am asking is for you to love each other. Nothing more, nothing less. And you are correct about Jesus. They had no control. He had it all. Why? Because he loved them even when they were driving nails through his flesh. They could not break his will.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Yes, his teachings is not his person. But I would still like to think about it and that takes place in the mind, when my mind is made up I'm sure I will feel better.

What matters is not what you think in your mind, but what you do from the heart. Do with the heart, and your thoughts will follow in the mind. You'll find peace.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Physically, yes, mentally, no. Where the blood is like happiness. In fact, we are at a crossroads where we can choose to talk and hurt eachother from a distance the next couple of centuries or annihalate eachother physically.

Yep. You can only control you. So make your choices wisely.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
It would be a miracle if the richest countries would suddenly reach out to certain poor countries to make them more happy.

I am working on it my friend, one person at a time. I could use a hand. All you have to do is love each other.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
If we all had equal wealth both physically and mentally then suffering would end.

edit on 13/10/2010 by Dragonfly79 because: (no reason given)

We all do have equal wealth. We are all born unique with something unique to offer this world. We just choose to judge the value of the offering to please our own ego. There is no reason why one man should have a 5 bedroom mansion while another sleeps on the street. There is nothing anyone offers this world which warrants that disparity. When we realise we are all equal, then we will level the field and all progress together.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by MurderCityDevil
Haven't you noticed, there is only one version of The Holy Bible that doesn't have a Copyright!
The King James Version. Now you have to ask the right question(s), only then will the right answers drop into your grasp. How does one prove anything? Thru mathematics. No, not that mind boggling math, but with the most basic of math: 1, 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, or with the most basic of formula's: 111-222-333-444-555-666-777-888-999. The formula I just typed out, CONTROLS over 35 UNrelated sciences, and it is what's holding The Holy Bible (KJV-only) together. The other bibles are just books. Religions have conspired to change Truth, and they have done a great job so far. Everybody believes that they have understanding when it comes to The Holy Bible, but when put to the test...zilch. How many words did The Almighty God speak during the Genesis Creation Story?
He spoke 343-words, WHY 343? Because 7x7x7=343. Why in 6-days? Because, in mathematical science, SIX IS THE FIRST PERFECT NUMBER. 6.....343.....somebody is trying to tell you something! Learn The Solomon Formula!

Originally posted by SamG2016
somebody is trying to tell you something!

so its ok to kill if anyone breaks any of the 613 mitzvot?

get real

THOU SHALL NOT KILL

moses started the killing right when he came off the mount and broke the tablets before he could even teach anyone anything

how does that work? add THAT up!!

when god wrote on the tablets with HIS finger he didnt specify who it was alright to kill, it said thou shall not kill

moses made up a bunch of laws to keep people in check

love is the only math i need to know, got it? i hope you do

reply to post by SamG2016


so are you saying the audible invisible voice I heard when I had begun to open a Gideon NT that said "I am Jesus, I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish" is not the message of gospel or the Lord and should have said "if you only read a certain version(1st Authorized or 2nd by the way?)" wonder what that spells for all previous to 1611 Christians? or are you like the last guy I ran into that had at least 10 and said it must have been the devil I heard?
even after showing him these-

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.-John5.25

And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’-Acts2.21

So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”-Acts17.31

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

Originally posted by SamG2016
somebody is trying to tell you something!

so its ok to kill if anyone breaks any of the 613 mitzvot?

get real

THOU SHALL NOT KILL

moses started the killing right when he came off the mount and broke the tablets before he could even teach anyone anything

how does that work? add THAT up!!

when god wrote on the tablets with HIS finger he didnt specify who it was alright to kill, it said thou shall not kill

moses made up a bunch of laws to keep people in check

love is the only math i need to know, got it? i hope you do

I am curious are you an athiest? The reason I ask is because I would like to know how an athiest can acknowledge the concept of love without acknowledging intelligent design?

If there is no creator(s), then isn't what you call love simply chemical reactions in the brain that exist for the perpetuation and protection of your genetic material?

reply to post by JudgedCover


Love is an expression. Like hate, fun, singing and what not.
Moral
I believe you're coming from the lines of this link.
Tell me what you think.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by JudgedCover

 

Love is an expression. Like hate, fun, singing and what not.
Moral
I believe you're coming from the lines of this link.
Tell me what you think.

Can you quantify what you mean by this term, "expression?"

reply to post by JudgedCover


Well I'm no expert at explaining anything. I don't see God or any other figure as guiding us or some how control what we do. I see it as the brain is interacting with the body.
Brain and body function
More info
even more info!
These sites explain it better then I can.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I dunno, man. Unless you believe that "love" is just a meaningless chemical reaction to pass on and protect your genetic material...I mean I hate to say it, but if you are telling me it's more than that, it sounds kinda like a religion and I just don't know about that...

I'm going to need more scientific evidence, I think.

reply to post by JudgedCover


Well I guess you can say that. I'm not trying to make it seem depressing here. But from all the evidence I can go over it's how I see it. Humans do a way to make it more magical. But I don't call it a religion. Since religion is a belief in a deity. Let's just call it "magical" Get it?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by JudgedCover

 

Well I guess you can say that. I'm not trying to make it seem depressing here. But from all the evidence I can go over it's how I see it. Humans do a way to make it more magical. But I don't call it a religion. Since religion is a belief in a deity. Let's just call it "magical" Get it?

I look at religion as anything that requires belief that cannot be scientifically proven a.k.a. requires faith to believes it's existence. I'll let you decide if such a definition is accurate or not.

I'm also curious, who said that such a view of "love" was depressing? I certainly didn't claim that. Why did you attach such a word to it? I mean those overwhelming "feelings" one experiences being reduced down to just an exchange of fluids is "depressing" in your opinion?

I'm curious, why do you feel that way?

I'm sorry to say Mr Rebel. I fear you may lack what it takes to be a good evolutionistic athiest. You've got a lot of emotions, errrrrr chemical reactions you need to work through in my opinion before you truly embrace your...truth.

reply to post by JudgedCover


It seems the way you see that how it doesn't require faith as depressing. Trust me! I'm a proud Atheist and leader of the Fallen. I just see life as more of chance or a miracle.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by JudgedCover

 

It seems the way you see that how it doesn't require faith as depressing. Trust me! I'm a proud Atheist and leader of the Fallen. I just see life as more of chance or a miracle.

Did I just hear an athiest use the word "miracle".

Ok, I'll stop the game, Rebel. Just trying to get you to confront yourself and why you think you believe what you believe. I dunno, I think underneath all that athiestic angst, is a ginormous believer just waiting to awaken. I think your heart is going to take you places in life that your mind currently doesn't think it wants to go. Should be interesting for you!

I would challenge you that if you are going to be a "proud" athiest that you fully commit to your belief. Don't pick and choose things that can't be scientifically explained into your idealogy just because it suits you. You start doing that too much and your not different than someone who is....religious.

reply to post by JudgedCover


Well I would to chat about this is U2U's. I'm tired and I have a lot of homework to do. Will you be on later tonight?
We can chat about anything.

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


How about this....the Supreme being or God never gave "written" instructions to ANYONE. God gave us life, free will and the ability to choose right from wrong. Do you think the Supreme being would get so involved with petty little things?? Do you think if your God was the ONE TRUE GOD, and gave these instructions he would allow BILLIONS of people to choose some other faith. Or do you think the Supreme being is not strong enough to stop the devil or satan to subvert his people?

Just asking. I've asked these questions before and I get quotes from the bible, The bible is a book written by some guys who wanted people to act the way they wanted them to. It has no more credence than the Lord of the Rings.

reply to post by amc621


My friend,

Some one else summed this all up better than I ever could.

The Impersonal Life

Reb, you may enjoy this link as well.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by JudgedCover

I am curious are you an athiest? The reason I ask is because I would like to know how an athiest can acknowledge the concept of love without acknowledging intelligent design?

If there is no creator(s), then isn't what you call love simply chemical reactions in the brain that exist for the perpetuation and protection of your genetic material?

no, i am not an atheist, i believe in a creator

just not the bible fantasy one that loves human and animal sacrifices so you dont have to feel guilty for doing bad things and ridiculous laws that put shame on anyone for feeling bad about who they are
love is ALL encompasing

i like responsibility cause when i do something wrong cause i learn from it and feel sincere when i am sorry for it and really try to make better for what was done

i respect the teachings of jesus and buddha and john lennon etc equally, love is all you need

its what binds us to come together to be one as we are

is there an invisible man in the sky with his son who also himself who is a magic carpenter living in a mansion kicking it for the last 2000 years waiting to destroy everything and take the sunday church pewers back to all their mansions in the sky with a gold and pearls? UH NO

heaven, hell, creation (creator), devils, demons, angels are all inside us, we labeled things to make it better to understand ourselves and remove blame and shame

we made god into an image and made him faulty and labeled him

even if you do believe in satan, he has a part of god in him for god made him, get it?

we are all one collectively, thats what i see, no matter what, gay, straight, trans, black, white, yellow, short, tall, fat, rich, poor, all ONE

harming anyone else to me is sin, its opposite of love

yes at times i sin, and i try hard not to but i still do, i love more than sin though, i need to take responsibility for that and make better those at times i do hurt

Originally posted by amc621
reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

 

How about this....the Supreme being or God never gave "written" instructions to ANYONE. God gave us life, free will and the ability to choose right from wrong. Do you think the Supreme being would get so involved with petty little things?? Do you think if your God was the ONE TRUE GOD, and gave these instructions he would allow BILLIONS of people to choose some other faith. Or do you think the Supreme being is not strong enough to stop the devil or satan to subvert his people?

Just asking. I've asked these questions before and I get quotes from the bible, The bible is a book written by some guys who wanted people to act the way they wanted them to. It has no more credence than the Lord of the Rings.

Ah, but a common mistake is to look at the breadth of the Bible and not see that it clearly shows us everything exactly as you stated. Those who have reduced the Bible to a "rulebook" are blind to it's truth.

As for your sentiments regarding choosing right and wrong and all, let me ask you something. Are you a parent? If not I think my point will be appreciated. Your toddler-aged child makes his or her way to a boiling pot of water on your stove. Do you as a loving father do nothing and tell yourself that she has all she naturally needs to know that what she is about to do will seriously hurt her or do you intervene realizing her understanding at this point of her existence is limited and you provide her with instruction in the best way her mind at that age can comprehend that doing this thing will result in great pain and perhaps lifelong repercussions?

Your instruction to her at that point may even come off as "angry" or "hurtful" in that child's eyes and she may start crying in response and in fear, but all the while what you were doing was sparing her from pain, but at that point she could not fully comprehend such and instead interpreted your loving act as punishment.

Once more, I challenge you to live by your own beliefs and concepts. Let your child burn. That is what your perspective of god demands, to do otherwise is hypocrisy.