'I feel like no-one': Girl, 12, dies in father's arms from mystery condition after being tormente

reply to post by Blaine91555

Your post is a form of bullying is it not?

...no.

It's been my observation that adults are not less inclined towards bullying than children. Playground bullies grow up and gravitate towards positions of authority. The police force, the military, middle management. Writing this phenomenon off by saying that children are cruel is ignoring a great deal.

For every child bullying a child there's probably a parent bullying that child, and in so doing...teaching them to be a bully.

Children are not the problem. We are.

Maybe her heart gave in after dealing with the stress of being bullied. The negative thoughts, feelings of isolation, embarrassment and unhappiness probably got to a point that her body could not deal with it. Mental and emotional exhaustion leading to death because of unnecessary hate-filled comments from those too immature to understand the ramifications of what they were doing.

Bullying is a serious issue. The long-term Psychological harm it can do to an individual is nothing short of devastating. Telling kids to "deal with it" and "take it on the chin" will not solve the problem. How many more young lives need to be destroyed by this silly behaviour before we act and do something to address this issue of Bullying?

reply to post by Yissachar1
Please remember that a shepherd uses his rod to guide,not beat, his sheep.

reply to post by Yissachar1


Oh, my heart is broken by this.

Rest in peace, Holly.

reply to post by IAMIAM


Yes, many people depart this world because people are mean and horrible.

I would like to offer my love to everyone on ATS, and to everyone else.

And I would like to say that I almost departed this life, because I felt that no-one loved me, but my son saved me.

reply to post by LordBucket


Regardless that we are the problem...... they/we really need to crack down on bullies in schools with kids, I's just sad that some kids die over this stuff. I had no idea some people could just die over this even with medical conditions....This story just makes me wish I stomped some duchebags/bullies literally, when I was in school, instead of trying to be all Incognito and get through it with no problems and all that....# if I knew then that the whole school thing wasn't going to work for me..... I would of gladly smashed more then a couple bullies, and gotten kicked out for it....A sad story...and these bullies if they got time to bully others at school, then they got to much time on there hands...They should have detention for regular stuff for an hour....and they should make some sort of scared straight boot camp detention for bullying, let them get an hour of there own medicine everytime they get called for bullying...since parents are to lazy to teach there kids manners, at least let the schools be able to do it.

reply to post by abrowning


Not banned...and I hate the weak and pathetic...they offer nothing to society. So I shall not talk ill...since the bleeding hearts do not like it...

reply to post by Yissachar1


There are two kinds of responses to the bullies. One who dies of heart broken. The other who stands up against the bullies with the guns and rifles in the later years. Of course in the later case, the victims have nothing to do with the actual bullies. They just happened to be the bystanders who suffer the rage of the one who got bullied long time ago. One way or another it causes the loss of life and the disintegration of the society. This trend should be prevented with the proper laws.

Originally posted by abe froman
reply to post by Yissachar1

 

Please remember that a shepherd uses his rod to guide,not beat, his sheep.

Sheep ≠ Children.

I have sheep and they don't ever need disciplining. Also, it is more accurate to say that a shepherd uses a rod to better scare his sheep into moving a particular direction. If they refused to move then he would certainly strike them with it.

reply to post by Soshh
bad shepard! no mint sauce with your lamb chops for you!

reply to post by abe froman


I prefer rosemary jelly to be honest!

Although Holly suffered from asthma, the condition was thought to be under control, and an initial post-mortem examination was inconclusive.

An inquest has been opened but her parents have been told it could be three months before they know what caused her death.

Mr Stuckey, who lives in Maesteg with his wife Lee, 47, said: ‘We just don’t knowbut it could have been the emotional strain of what she was going through which brought on a heart attack.

‘I have been contacted by several other parents who have told me that their children are being bullied.

Too much disregard for the facts in this thread, too many emotionally driven posts about a "what if".

There are more tragic stories in this world than any of us could grieve for.
I reserve judgment on this one.
I have nothing else to say.

-B.M

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

I's just sad that some kids die over this stuff

More lives are destroyed than just those that are ended.

they/we really need to crack down on bullies in schools with kids

What do you propose? I don't think giving them detention like you suggest is likely to be a strong deterrent. That probably happens already. Like I suggested, most of those who engage in this sort of behavior are probably learning it from their parents. The bullies themselves are the victims of predatory behavior from the parents, they learn to feel good about themselves by preying on others, and they manifest that behavior at the school. An hour detention a couple times a week isn't going to be enough to overcome years of training from their parents. And...if the parents really are the problem, the bully might even see detention as an opportunity for escape from them.

makes me wish I stomped some duchebags/bullies literally, when I was in school

In my experience, this is actually one of the more effective solutions. Too often the advice is given to "just ignore it" or "go to a teacher" but these reactions give a bully exactly what he wants: a feeling of power. If somebody sits there and does nothing while he taunts, clearly he can do whatever he wants. That feels good. If they run away (to a teacher) then he gets to feel powerful for making somebody run from him. Again, this feels good. But if somebody punches his face in, he doesn't get to feel the power he craves. Unfortunately, self-defense of this sort of usually frowned on by the school and generally results in both the bully and the person standing up for himself being punished. (Any mods reading this get a sense of deja vue?

let them get an hour of there own medicine everytime they get called for bullying

I would personally be uncomfortable with school staff being the one to deliver that medicine. It opens up too many opportunities for bullies amongst the staff, and if a student has to "run away" to a teacher for the bully to be punished, he still gets his thrills from making someone run away. People filling emotional needs like this often operate on instant gratification. Being punished several hours later is unlikely to be an effective deterrent when they received immediate gratification from bullying.

I don't have children. But if I did, I think I would advise them of the possibilities, explain to them how bullies operate and what motivates them, and assure them that it's ok to defend themself regardless of what the school says. Schools seem to discourage fighting in self defense, but are all too eager to look the other way when some kids are cruel. I would want my children to know that it's ok to defend themselves and when faced with punishment for it, to look the principal right in the eye and say "No. What I did was right. If you feel you need to give me detention for it, so be it. But if he does it again, I'll smash his face in again, and you can give me detention for it again. I'm not going to be a victim just to pander to your need to play peacemaker."

Learning how to not be a victim is a good lesson that serves people even after they're no longer children. There are predators in adult life too.

Ubelievable!
What in the world is wrong today!? I mean seriously, I feel for this child. It absloutely angers me to no end to read of this.

Ever have one of those moments when suddenly the crazed people running amok screaming while blinded by rage seem to make sense? This is one of those moments.

I try not to judge, I try to wait until the time is right and everything is aligned, but news like this nearly pushes me to the point of failing. I try not to have contempt for this place and the people, but why do they have to make it so difficult!?

reply to post by kerazeesicko


Aren't kids a little young to be judged as weak and pathetic? Surely adulthood is a better time to test the resilience of an individual?

we are liveing in the devil's paradise,and as someone stated,its a sad world,when young souls depart from us,for not finding love in this nasty world,we let the investment class create for us,we live in a sick society,society is socially ill,and moveing backwards,it needs radical change,the parents of these bullys need to be took to task,we have to as a society teach our children to be socially considerate towards other.

when the class teacher told me my daughter was being a bully to a another child in school,and the other child wouldn't go to school because of my daughter,i was appalled,and i tell you,i sat my daughter down and gave her a 2 hour talk about her attitude and actions,i took her to the other child's house and apologise to the parents,and made my daughter apologise to the other child,and made my daughter stay in her room for 2 weeks,with nothing but books..no laptop,tv,nothing...and the irony is my daughter and this other child are now good freinds.

reply to post by Yissachar1


What's horrible is that people don't know how much bullying or picking on someone specifically can effect them especially at such a young age. Not to mention being bullied as a child can torment you into adulthood and change the kind of person someone turns into. Psychologically it basically can ruin someones life if they don't deal with it properly.

Personally I will always tell people to stand up for themselves no matter what the situation and I hope people learn to do so.

I understand some people have trouble doing this so I feel for those who have issues like this, my younger brother had an issue getting 'picked on' and I just kept pushing at him to remember what really matters is what he thinks of himself etc...

Anyway, this is tragic and I hope they figure out what happened (haven't read the whole thread yet, I'm just replying right now so if it's been answered my bad).

This story strikes me as "odd". Here is why:

1.) ATS has in the past questioned the dependability of the Daily Mail for stories. The fact that only the Daily Mail and a blog (which cites the Daily Mail) are covering this story. Fox News has a history of covering stories of bullying in schools quite a lot, so wouldn't they touch on this too if it were true?

2.) This article has an obvious agenda. Read this part:

Her father Clive, 42, said: ‘People made fun of her because she did not know much about sex education.

THis has a definite agenda. Think about it, it goes along with point #3:

3.) The UK has been pushing hard for sex education. This is exactly the type of story they could use to get sexual education in schools pushed to all new levels, in order to "save the children".

I'm not saying that this is untrue, I'm just unsure. Either way, my heart goes out to the family of this girl, and any other kids around the world who may be tormented like this. As a high schooler currently myself, I know it can be rough.

We should not fuel the amount of hatred and negativity in the world by showing anger from this. My first instinct was anger for a moment but I turned it to love. Love for Holly, Love for all of us. Only Love can mend this world. If we show hate it will only breed more hate.I hope for more wisdom,tolerance,and love to be shared and expressed in the world by Adults and Children.

What a truly sad story,history is filled with tales of the strong bullying the weak, Attila The Hun, King Henry VIII, Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin Dada, Vlad the Impaler, Saddam Hussein, **cough**America**cough**.

It's all about power and control, looking good in front of your friends. In some cases the bully might be having a hard time at home and takes it on some poor unfortunate. I myself was bullied at school, for me it toughened me up, and now I won't take crap off anyone, but I was lucky. It either breaks you or makes you stronger.

Society needs to take a tougher action on bullies, rather than a "blame the parents" approach.