It's not the government fault there is no disclosure, it's the "Channelers" fault!

Originally posted by Chadwickus
The internet is rife with alien channelers, people claiming to be aliens and other delusional nut jobs.

Here we go again! Another person who won't believe it until the MSM announces it from the White House.

Alien channelers and people claiming to be aliens are ruining what little chance there is for disclosure, they present recycled information, clichéd new age garbage and outright lies.

People go after the government for withholding information, information that they don't even claim they have, yet these channelers and aliens make bold claims with nothing to back up their claims and seem to dodge any criticism.

So, because fabricated data and photoshopped images are published by the govt and it's agencies, you'll believe it simply because it came FROM a govt agency? (There are WMD's in Iraq! We are winning the war on terrorism! The recession is over! Fen-Phen is safe! Celebrex is safe! Franken-Food is safe! Vaccinations do not cause Autism! The fish from the Gulf of Mexico is safe to eat (but you can sue to manufacturers if you get sick)! Hormones and antibiotics pumped in to livestock is safe to eat! Pesticides do not cause cancer! Women do not need mammograms in their 40's! That was an air balloon. Area 51 is just a military base, nothing to see here so move along. JFK was shot from behind by one shooter.)

Yeah. We can trust our govt with the info they tell us. Yeah. I can trust what they disclose about aliens.

I can rattle off at least half a dozen names of people here on ATS alone that either claim to be alien or have been in contact with aliens, this is a disturbing trend and brings the already tedious subject of UFOlogy into disrepute.

These are the sort of people who will prevent disclosure with their lies and deceit.

UFOlogy is merely the study of UFO. There is a difference between figuring out what the UFO really is and speaking to a life form that is not of 3rd dimension or Earth. And maybe this trend that disturbs you so much is the only way the aliens CAN disclose their existence to us without breaking their agreement with our deceptive govt (who broke their end of the bargain a LONG time ago, btw).

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave, if someone is telling the truth it will stand up to scrutiny, so please, be skeptical, ask the hard questions and be wary of snake oil salesmen preying on the weak minded.

There are obviously some people out there who are taking advantage of the hunger and thirst for information in this area. I'm not one of them. I haven't written a book about my experiences. I'm not selling CD's or DVD's. I'm not trying to recruit people to attend my seminars. In fact, I have never told anyone my entire story (not even in a thread on ATS). If anything, I am helping other authors sell books that have been published which tell the truth about aliens so more people can be informed and feel comfortable with them instead of the fear-mongering TPTB work so hard to achieve. (Hint: if you are afraid of being on the dinner menu of aliens, they have succeeded.)

Who is to say what is the actual truth and what is lie or illusion? By your own comments, people who would tell the truth are being called attention-seeking liars. Maybe you're just ignorant because you cannot see past the 3rd dimension to see more of reality.


Think about this for a bit:

The govt does not disclose the truth about Extra Terrestrials because they state the mass hysteria it will cause. This gives them power over E.T. to use this fear-mongering tactic. Meanwhile, movies and tv shows are continually filmed painting aliens in a bad light (The fourth Kind, V, Alien, Predator, Signs, etc.) so we believe we will be attacked, eaten or exterminated in some violent manner. This is another fear-mongering tactic being used against Earthlings so we want to believe we are the only ones who exist in the entire space. This keeps the secret of aliens and all their knowledge locked up, safe and secure, so TPTB can continue their reign and enslave us thru their current means of getting richer while the rest of us continually become destitutes in every way possible. Admitting aliens exist will kill their power because we will have free energy available.

WHEN the majority of people accept that aliens exist, the govt will no longer have a reasonable argument to keep aliens and all their technology secret. THIS is when we will see disclosure.

So in reality, it is all the skeptics and nay-sayers who are playing into the dirty hands of TPTB by refusing to believe intelligent life forms from other planets and dimensions DO exist. They are already here. They are ready to help when we are ready to ask for and accept it.

So I blame non-disclosure on the skeptics, non-believers and TPTB for being in cahoots.


Note: Maybe TPTB are not really trying to wipe out 2/3 of the people on our planet, because a good number of people would commit suicide simply by the POTUS announcing "Aliens exist and they are among us" (not to mention all the money they would lose by loss of those taxes).

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oh i see. sorry i misunderstood! lol

The video made me laugh! louis theroux is brilliant also!

Originally posted by pazcat
Hey....... Korton is Legit.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

DUDE! Is that Bilbo Baggins channeling aliens???

These are the biggest frauds along with the folks who claim they are aliens or have been in contact with aliens. They give the whole subculture of UFO study a horrible name.

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You need to read what I've written again.

The government could very well be withholding information, my opinion is that they don't and could in fact know as much about alien visitation as us.

What I am trying to point out here is the government makes no claims of having this information, yet get held to task for it, look at NASA as an example of this.

You seem to have gotten quite a lot from the title alone, did you actually read what else I said?

Where was I defending the government?

All I am calling for is more accountability, surely that is fair?

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What I get from your post is that it's everyone else's fault that disclosure hasn't happened.

Why no blame on those who claim to be actively involved with with aliens?
Or the aliens themselves?

Have you asked them when you've been contacted?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Have you asked them when you've been contacted?

What I stated is no different than what you've stated. It's just the opposite side of the coin. You're blaming all those who are channelers, so I'm blaming all the skeptics.

I've already stated why those involved with the aliens should not be blamed as well as why the aliens cannot be blamed.

Have I asked them what? Why don't you just appear and let us all know you exist? If that's you're question, then I've already answered that in my previous post.

And maybe this trend that disturbs you so much is the only way the aliens CAN disclose their existence to us without breaking their agreement with our deceptive govt (who broke their end of the bargain a LONG time ago, btw).

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I agree Chad the whole Channeling thing is embarrasing to say the least, its fools like these who only make things worse for the subject.

The Media loves these guys and after airing a ufo sighting they often chuck one of these people in at the end to have a thier say just to make a it laughing stock.

I can not believe how many people get sucked in by thier BS, I mean look at the Goodchild thread for an example (Cringing) I believe it was damaging to ATS and to the UFO phenomenon.

I feel sorry for the gullible who pay to see thier BS and buy the book, they are a crazy cult that followed on from the ex 60s Hug a Tree to Hug an ET Hippies and should shunned.

S&F

Regards BDU

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Mate, no offence but you're not helping your cause here.

The argument that tv and movies are used to instill fear fall short because you are ignoring movies that depict good aliens, such as ET, Close encounters of the third kind and so on.

Your replies are vague and opinion based and you continue to blame the government for stopping them from presenting themselves to us, do you honestly believe that?

Originally posted by Chadwickus

I can rattle off at least half a dozen names of people here on ATS alone that either claim to be alien or have been in contact with aliens, this is a disturbing trend and brings the already tedious subject of UFOlogy into disrepute.

These are the sort of people who will prevent disclosure with their lies and deceit.

How are these people preventing disclosure? Isn't it the government that has the information and choice to disclose... not channelers and "aliens"? I don't see how these people have any more effect on disclosure then the bearded man on the corner-street yelling "the end is near!" does on the apocalypse.

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave, if someone is telling the truth it will stand up to scrutiny, so please, be skeptical, ask the hard questions and be wary of snake oil salesmen preying on the weak minded.

I agree with you here... Although I admit sometimes i get into these people's stories- not so much because I take their information as serious... but I find listening to them akin to reading one of those "choose-your-own-path" science-fiction books.

Amusing... but really if anybody gives in and believes these people without a single shred of skepticism, they are most definitely in ignorance.

jesus jesus jesus
what an idiot!!!!


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Let's say that some do actually communicate with aliens, the information they give is hugely lacking, full of supposition and half truths.

Then there are those who claim to be aliens themselves and all we till get is crap.

So, they're either full of it (most likely) or they are keeping the truth from us and are merely grandstanding to massage their egos.

Either way, it's despicable.

I do not feel the people channelling Ets are all the problem if that at all.
Darryl Anka has been a channel for many years .

Would you say he is one of the problems preventing the Government to Disclose what it knows regarding Ets and UFO's?

This is the problem you are attacking the wrong people .

Now do some of these Channellers real Channel Ets maybe they don't .

Can some have real contact using there Mind with Ets maybe they can.

How can anyone truly know if they are not communicating real information.

There are generalizations with some of the Channels that have come out over the years .

I think you should in my opinion focus on what the Government is not telling us.

Don't blame the Channellers for this .

Its not there fault.
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
The argument that tv and movies are used to instill fear fall short because you are ignoring movies that depict good aliens, such as ET, Close encounters of the third kind and so on.

Not to mention that the most popular superhero in the world is himself an alien...

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Your replies are vague and opinion based and you continue to blame the government for stopping them from presenting themselves to us, do you honestly believe that?

Such a belief lacks any sort of rationale. Being are able to conquer the distance between stars, possessing of technologies beyond any which we can imagine, yet somehow human agencies are able to stop them. Every religion needs an Adversary to lead the faithful astray, to stop humanity from reaching it's potential. In this particular ufological religion, that role is filled by the shadow government/powers-that-be; like the Devil himself, these actors are ephemeral and nebulous, no one can tell us exactly who these people are. And like the Devil himself, anything practitioners of this faith do not like they label as being of "the powers-that-be".

Originally posted by Nivcharah
WHEN the majority of people accept that aliens exist, the govt will no longer have a reasonable argument to keep aliens and all their technology secret. THIS is when we will see disclosure.

Note: Maybe TPTB are not really trying to wipe out 2/3 of the people on our planet, because a good number of people would commit suicide simply by the POTUS announcing "Aliens exist and they are among us" (not to mention all the money they would lose by loss of those taxes).

You make a lot of claims here, none of which are supported by any facts whatsoever but based on mythologies and your own prejudices.

The majority of people do believe in aliens and the majority are not scared of them. A survey found that 60% of people believe that life is out there, 90% of whom said we should respond if aliens send us a signal. Source

I am sure you disagree. And I am looking forward to seeing what facts you have to support your argument, as opposed to popular mythologies.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
So in reality, it is all the skeptics and nay-sayers who are playing into the dirty hands of TPTB by refusing to believe intelligent life forms from other planets and dimensions DO exist. They are already here. They are ready to help when we are ready to ask for and accept it.

So I blame non-disclosure on the skeptics, non-believers and TPTB for being in cahoots.

Rare is the skeptic who does not believe that life is out there. It is an old prejudice, one not supported by any facts.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
What I stated is no different than what you've stated. It's just the opposite side of the coin. You're blaming all those who are channelers, so I'm blaming all the skeptics.

That is an incredibly mature, thoughtful response. I applaud you.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
Have I asked them what? Why don't you just appear and let us all know you exist? If that's you're question, then I've already answered that in my previous post.

And the answer is absolute nonsense.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

You make a lot of claims here, none of which are supported by any facts whatsoever but based on mythologies and your own prejudices.

The majority of people do believe in aliens and the majority are not scared of them. A survey found that 60% of people believe that life is out there, 90% of whom said we should respond if aliens send us a signal. Source

So, are you trying to say they've polled every person on the planet? I don't trust polls, they can be manipulated simply by selecting the population they ask. I was never polled on this topic.

I am sure you disagree. And I am looking forward to seeing what facts you have to support your argument, as opposed to popular mythologies.

How funny. So your argument isn't even whether aliens exist or are here or not. You're just trying to argue statistics with me. The OP's argument is who is the cause of disclosure by our govt not taking place. The OP is blaming the channelers and I (as well as others) are blaming the govt. I just took it a step further and turned the coin to the other side to point the finger at the skeptics (aka: devil's advocate).

HOW can we expect disclosure to take place when people who are believers argue between themselves as to who is to blame for disclosure not happening? Or maybe I'm wrong and you don't believe.

Originally posted by Nivcharah Meanwhile, movies and tv shows are continually filmed painting aliens in a bad light (The fourth Kind, V, Alien, Predator, Signs, etc.)

Or Avatar, or District 9, or Star Wars, Star Trek, 2001, Babylon 5, Andromeda, ... oh wait.

You should watch more SF! And since you listed Alien you obviously didn't get it. (Alien isn't more evil than a brick hitting your head. The only evil act in that movie is the corporation, attempting to get one to earth to use as weapon, no matter how many people die in the attempt)

And the good ol: "All the creationists will off themselves, caus aliens aren't in the bible"
1) Who cares?
2) They don't commit suicide because there are Dinosaur fossils, so why would they be unable to handle Aliens?

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Chadwickus.....

I feel genuine pity for these people, particularly Stanley because I don't think he has anyone to help him.
I also feel for Sanni too, it seems that those around her just allow her to live and believe in her delusions.

You really strike a chord with me here.....

I have posted extensively with & about Sanni & Stanley.

I feel very sorry for both of them.

I have extreme contempt for the perfidious people who take advantage of them.

Such abuse is the ultimate low point of Ufology.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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I agree with you completely... but I still remain unclear on how these people are at fault for no disclosure?

Originally posted by Nivcharah
So, are you trying to say they've polled every person on the planet?

Of course not, because that is not how polling works. But I suspect you know exactly how statistics and polling work, so here is no need to explain it to you.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
I don't trust polls, they can be manipulated simply by selecting the population they ask. I was never polled on this topic.

You are rationalizing and equivocating. You have no facts, whatsoever, to support your claims about people and their suppose fear/disbelief in aliens.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
How funny. So your argument isn't even whether aliens exist or are here or not. You're just trying to argue statistics with me. The OP's argument is who is the cause of disclosure by our govt not taking place. The OP is blaming the channelers and I (as well as others) are blaming the govt.

I am not discussing the OP. I am discussing claims you have made in relation to the OP, claims that possess no substance or reason.

Originally posted by Nivcharah
I just took it a step further and turned the coin to the other side to point the finger at the skeptics (aka: devil's advocate).

Yes, and it was a very mature and rational way to respond...