It's not the government fault there is no disclosure, it's the "Channelers" fault!

The internet is rife with alien channelers, people claiming to be aliens and other delusional nut jobs.

I will concede, some may have genuine disabilities such as Sanni Ceto, who claims she is an alien commander who survived the Roswell crash.

Google Video Link

Or Stanley03061973, he thinks alien creatures are flying around his house all the time, he has amassed over 300 videos of these creatures.

www.youtube.com...

I feel genuine pity for these people, particularly Stanley because I don't think he has anyone to help him.

I also feel for Sanni too, it seems that those around her just allow her to live and believe in her delusions.

Now, I speak of the above and those like them because I want to exclude them from the premise of this thread.

Alien channelers and people claiming to be aliens are ruining what little chance there is for disclosure, they present recycled information, clichéd new age garbage and outright lies.

People go after the government for withholding information, information that they don't even claim they have, yet these channelers and aliens make bold claims with nothing to back up their claims and seem to dodge any criticism.

This ends here.

I can rattle off at least half a dozen names of people here on ATS alone that either claim to be alien or have been in contact with aliens, this is a disturbing trend and brings the already tedious subject of UFOlogy into disrepute.

These are the sort of people who will prevent disclosure with their lies and deceit.

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave, if someone is telling the truth it will stand up to scrutiny, so please, be skeptical, ask the hard questions and be wary of snake oil salesmen preying on the weak minded.

Unfortunately any second now you'll probably be mercilessly flamed for this. (and of course I'm sure you knew that already - it's nevertheless unfortunate)
But I "smell what you're steppin in" - well said, sir.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave....

You mean like making threads about them....

...like this one.

Or is your thread different because you point out the obvious?

No matter.

You draw attention to those you tell others not to draw attention to. And I think we both know by now that these channeler types do not differentiate between negative and positive attention - both give them and their followers what they crave; an opportunity for drama and attention that otherwise would not exist..

You're so bad.

How do you know they aren't aliens?

(I mean, it's highly unlikely, but we really don't KNOW...do we?)

Obviously, assuming we are being visited, and assuming the government knows, then BOTH parties have been keeping this secret, and likely for decades (or longer). How can you blame the "Channelers"? Aren't they coming forward with their information? (I mean, it's likely all bunk, but are any of them trying to keep a secret?)

The blame would lie with those who keep covering up the secret...the aliens, and the government. Either party can, at any time, effect "disclosure".

Hey....... Korton is Legit.



Sorry couldn't help myself.

But yes I entirely agree with everything that you have said above. Do not give these people any credit('cept for Korton)at all. They not only discredit and damage the UFO community but those who are close to them.
Clearly some like my video make it easy to spot, whether they are lying for fame or are genuinely disturbed I guess could be up for debate. But there are others that are not as shall we say flamboyant but still make similar claims and are they not in need of help too?

reply to post by Exuberant1


Fair point.

I see far too much open mindedness when it comes to these types.

As the saying goes "Have an open mind but no so open that your brains fall out"

reply to post by Gazrok


They aren't coming forward with information though are they?

It's all canned, vague and regurgitated crap.

If they got the goods, they need to bring it to the table.

No more BS.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Fair point.

I see far too much open mindedness when it comes to these types.

My points are awesome. Bro.

And you shouldn't let these types get you down. There is not a darn thing you can do to stop them from believing a channeler.... (unless they are a child).

By the time an adult (or teenager) is believing that stuff, they are beyond help - and our well meaning debunking only drive them further into the arms of their favourite guru.

....and then they post on ATS in defense of them.

You shouldn't help perpetuate the cycle. Remember the reptilian threads of '07-'08?

I don't think any of us want to see anything like that again.

reply to post by pazcat


are you joking about korton????

Hes a Money Monger

Korton channels American, Christian Aliens... Sure PURE RUBBISH!

reply to post by AlphaANDOmega


Lol, serious? Damn skippy I'm serious.


Oh wait... No I'm not.
Fact remains the guy is hilarious though, and quite frankly his story holds as much water as any other channeler.

Originally posted by pazcat
Hey....... Korton is Legit.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

But yes I entirely agree with everything that you have said above. Do not give these people any credit('cept for Korton)at all. They not only discredit and damage the UFO community but those who are close to them.
Clearly some like my video make it easy to spot, whether they are lying for fame or are genuinely disturbed I guess could be up for debate. But there are others that are not as shall we say flamboyant but still make similar claims and are they not in need of help too?

Man your avatar is epic!!! haha love the video, ats applause is in order. hahaa

Originally posted by Chadwickus
The internet is rife with alien channelers, people claiming to be aliens and other delusional nut jobs.

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Alien channelers and people claiming to be aliens are ruining what little chance there is for disclosure, they present recycled information, clichéd new age garbage and outright lies.

People go after the government for withholding information, information that they don't even claim they have, yet these channelers and aliens make bold claims with nothing to back up their claims and seem to dodge any criticism.

This ends here.

I can rattle off at least half a dozen names of people here on ATS alone that either claim to be alien or have been in contact with aliens, this is a disturbing trend and brings the already tedious subject of UFOlogy into disrepute.

These are the sort of people who will prevent disclosure with their lies and deceit.

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave, if someone is telling the truth it will stand up to scrutiny, so please, be skeptical, ask the hard questions and be wary of snake oil salesmen preying on the weak minded.

You are hitting on the wrong people, my brother.

The ones who are preventing disclosure are not anyone else, for none have the full documented facts. Only the shadow govts have them and they AREN'T telling!

I know you will ask me for facts on the existance of shadow govts as well as presumed 'documented facts'. Where are they?

They are certainly not in my hands or I will most certainly share it all. But does such facts and documents exists?

I have never been to Norway, now can I say that Norway does not exists, the tales, charts and maps are 'Billy Meir' styled fantasy pics, those who testified living in Norway are a bunch of loony liars?

It would be the same argument with many professionals turned whistleblowers who had testified working with alien material and even aliens theselves. Are these people liars too, just because I had not worked with alien material or seen an alien myself?

I am sure that you would use the tried and tested method of telling me to go to Norway and see for myself reality. Sure, I can afford a ticket there easily, but can I say the same for Area 51, other secret military bases, or a permit to wander alone within the underground caverns of Antarctica, or even requisition a submarine to take sonar readings of the extra- terrestrials' undersea industrial bases in the Bermuda triangle, the undersea worker's dorms in nearby Costa Rica?

Even if I, a taxpaying insignificant nobody, is not allowed, what about our elected representatives or congressional oversight committees?

The truth and disclosure awaits for an awaken mass of humans.

I can't believe you will hit out at others who use their own freedom of speech to make bold claims. They and you have that right, just as others have to right to question, to praise or to tear down their beliefs, but based on logic and rational discussion so that more may be shared and learnt, and not through personal attacks.

Expend and focus your anger and frustrations at the right ones or you and your kind may be the ones preventing disclosure by misdirecting the path towards presurizing the son of bitches who are witholding information, even now when the lid is thrown wide open.

The biggest problem i have with all these "channelers" is the fact that they prey on weak gullible people and get there support. Its actually kinda of upsetting that people can here claims like this and think there genuine. It really makes you consider the mindset of some of these people who support these bogus "channelers" how can they actually justify these statements and claims in there head. But then again i believe in little green men to begin with so who am i to comment.




A Conspiracy Within A Conspiracy...

ThatGuyInTheKnow..

It's a fine line between what we condone as sanity to that of insanity, yet when it comes to things of this nature what would be the testing procedure for ascertaining their validity to certain statements? I'm not saying that all channelers are in fact channeling, nor am I saying they are all lying it's just that it's hard to tell. I'll use myself as an example, ADD medication caused me to be hospitalized because I always felt watched and could hear voices, my first instances was aliens. Even while walking down a hallway and looking into the room at the end of the hallway with the lights out I "Felt" as if something was watching me from that room, yet physically I could tell nothing was there.

Now my first paragraph may be a statement to discredit channelers, but what if they are on no medication and are deemed "fit for society." Where do we go from that? Perhaps some of the messages that are given are some things we as a planet should be following anyway. .

I've posted about the contact I have made, or what I've been made to believe are contacts, I'm not sure, all I can say with pure confidence, is that the information that came to me, WAS NOT from me, and that I learned things I had never heard of before. I am open to all options, but I will not label myself as crazy, because I know myself, and I know my thoughts, and I know that someone, or SOME THING was talking to me, teaching me stuff that I myself had to look up and verify.

What I think is happening, (and I really refuse to speak for everyone) I think that some people are being set up by The Government MK-Ultra, Bluebeam, HAARP as a part of the Grand Program. I'm telling you, it was like a light show going on with my eyes closed, I was 'dreaming' AWAKE and fully conscious of my surroundings. I'm not trying to go the victim route, but that is the most sense I can make of it, because, though I want to believe in ETs and Aliens, I consider myself a realist, and as the days progress, the more and more I have found myself pointing towards government mind manipulation.

reply to post by pazcat


Ok, now i know from where you have taken your avatar =D

That was embarrasing. you wil..umm.. you will change!

Originally posted by Chadwickus

I implore the members of ATS to not give these liars the attention they crave,

And I implore to you to OPEN YOUR EYES and see the reality. There are millions
of people in this country that disagree with you, the goverment is the only and I repeat
the only responsible for denying the UFO phenomena, the only responsible for not
giving the so much requested UFO disclosure, this is an undeniable fact, open your
eyes and see the reality.

Let's see what you are claiming and I quote you: - It's not the government fault there
is no disclosure, it's the "Channelers" fault! - This is the most ridicule absurd statement
I have heard in years. So you are saying The Goverment is holding the UFO disclosure
because The Goverment is upset, afraid, embarrassed, doubting or whatever reason
because of the self proclaimed channelers? Even that this is a bad joke is still laughable.
So you are now defending the goverment for their position regarding the UFO disclosure
and giving this silly excuse for their motives? Regrettably you just lost credibility and
descended to the level of those channelers because of this eccentric statement.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I agree,dam channelers never see logic. aeon2012 is one.

Originally posted by johnny c
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

I agree,dam channelers never see logic.

aeon2012 is one.

Or skeptic/debunkers prefer to grab at straws to stoke their frailed and fragile egos alive instead of relying on the validity of logic and reason?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Or skeptic/debunkers prefer to grab at straws to stoke their frailed and fragile egos alive instead of relying on the validity of logic and reason?

Oh, the irony!

I would strongly suggest it is the "true believers" who have frail and fragile egos. People like Chadwickus, MMN and Phage rarely, if ever, revert to personal attacks when arguing their points.

I suggest you learn from them.