Indianapolis Bakery Refuses To Bake Gay Cupcakes

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Oh great more pro gay rights propaganda. If you speak out against gay lifestyle then you're a homophone. Sorry to be so upset. But I can't stand how these people work.

Propaganda? Where?

Who are these people?

Yes if you speak against gay lifestyle then you are a homophobe.

How do these people work?

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist

You can take this way out of proportion however many times you want, but that doesn't change the fact that discrimination is still discrimination.

Haha. Does that make you mad? You mad?

Welcome to America, people have a right to discriminate against gay cupcakes. The owners didn't refuse to serve the gays, they merely refused to produce and sell gay cupcakes to anyone.

They even reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

Actually no, I'm not mad. Far from it. This story was actually stupid enough to be hilarious. Homosexual cupcakes, parents thinking their children are going to become homosexual because of rainbows? How is that not hysterical?

Really, the funniest part about the entire gay issue is how in this day and age people are still scared of a few gay people who they believe to be spreading a worldwide pandemic to make anything and everything rainbows and homosexuality.

Although I do find it a bit mind-boggling how people think sexual attraction is a lifestyle. How is being attracted to a certain gender somehow a lifestyle?

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Oh great more pro gay rights propaganda. If you speak out against gay lifestyle then you're a homophone. Sorry to be so upset. But I can't stand how these people work.

I have to ask, do you also find interracial relationships offensive? Do you find anyone who isn't the same color as you are offensive?

People who have issues with certain things like these, their problems usually stem from personal belief, ignorance, fear, disgust or all four. And it isn't so much about group rights on a level that women and African-Americans had to go through. The issue is a little more complex than that. Gay men and women have the same rights as everybody else, it's just that their attraction toward the same gender isn't fully understood or accepted, and this... propaganda you speak of, it's simply a way for the community to get the word out.

How do you remedy ignorance? Spreading information around. How do you eliminate fear? Through exposure. Now disgust and personal belief... those two are a little bit more difficult, and typically need to be consulted on a personal level and on an individual case-by-case basis. For example, why are you personally against homosexuality?

I feel very sorry for everyone whose knowledge of the law is shallow enough to think that the law states that every business owner has the right to refuse business to anyone for any reason, and stops there. RIGHTS ave BOUNDARIES. Last time I checked a Bill was thousands of pages, and there are amendments to pretty much everything. When this goes to court, the law will show you how serious their business really is; they won't be bullied by your simple clause that hardly even begins to outline business legislation.

I'm sorry people, the law isn't that simple.

reply to post by Mykahel


Sexual attraction isn't a lifestyle. It may not directly be "oh, we don't serve your kind here" but more like "Sorry, our daughters are impressionable, and we don't want them to be like your kind when they grow up, so we're choosing not to make what you asked for. Now, had you not mentioned what the rainbow denoted, I'm sure we could have complied with your request."

So maybe the bakery didn't make cupcakes. That's fine. Replace cupcakes with cookies and you still have the issue of discrimination at hand. You compared this matter to a bakery declining to make baked goods that somehow promoted hunting because the bakery was against animal cruelty. I compare it more to a group of people coming in who want to rally against animal cruelty, and the bakery declining to rally behind these people because they enjoy animal cruelty.

Its context is a little different, I know. But that's only because I assume you don't support homosexuality, where as I do. And being that I cannot find a reasonable explanation for people to be against it, I'll continue to support it and speak out in favor of homosexuality.

And I'm not even gay.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
So are you saying that the Bakery owner's should not have the right to refuse to serve gay cupcakes? (They would not have refused to serve gays, they merely refused to produce and sell gay cupcakes)

Oh stop acting as if this is legitimate at all. They responded by saying that the "gays" ( noun ) are converting their kids! The homosexual community is raising awareness, so that there are less ignorant people. Maybe they should give up on that and just have a United States Business Legislature Awareness parade so that all you ignorant people can finally know what the hell you're talking about instead of continuing to say that business owners unconditionally have the right to refuse business to anyone they wish for any reason as if it's true.

At which point should the owners be thrown in gulag? After they refuse to obey court order telling them to serve homosexual cupcakes?

If they aren't professional enough to behave in society with a small business, maybe they aren't mature enough to have one.

What about the second offense? Time for exile to the north and children to the re-education camps?

You are such an alarmist

The Owners have their right to serve who they wish. Not everyone supports the gay issue. Simply go to another bakery and order the cup caked instead of making a fuss about it. I meen theres no hetero sexual colors or parades. Such a big fuss that a baker did not want to use some rainbow colors. Ive been refused in places for no reason im not gay. Go some place else.

I think you should stop telling people to grow up just because your parents say it to you every day and its probably appropriate. It's funny that you flat out state that you are jealous of gay people because they have their own color scheme and symbol. Talk about childish, and lets not forget ignorant; I guess gay people will never know how it feels to be as unnaccepted as you, because they have their own official colors.

lol. I think SOME gays should grow up.

Coming to this site and reading posts by people like you reminds me of how much EVERYONE needs to grow up .

reply to post by hotbakedtater


OP?

You are calling them bigots and demanding that they do something against their will?

If I open a business in a public market place, and I decide that I will only sell black socks to Blondes on Thursdays, what is the problem? No one can force me to sell anything to anybody that I don't want to sell. Of course there are a few exceptions such as the ADA codes that address accessibility, and then there are protected classes, such as races.

I suppose, if the bakery already had Rainbow cupcakes and they refused to sell them to some protected class, then the city would have a right to clamp down, but the city can't make them bake something that they don't want to bake! And, as far as I know, sexuality is not a protected class!!

What if some Sado/Masocho group demanded that they bake ball and chain cupcakes or NAMBLA demanded that they bake little boy cupcakes? I know, I know, stop comparing homosexuals to deviants. Why? Not long ago that is exactly how they were viewed. Who is to say that in another decade or two that all sexual orientations won't be as mainstream and well-accepted as homosexuality. Once we start making exceptions for one group, we have to do it for all!

reply to post by hotbakedtater


So, the rainbow colored cupcake children in my neck of the woods eat during celebrations made by their parents are considered gay cupcakes?, does anybody have a picture of what a gay cupcake is suppose to look like.

I am very interested to see a picture is somebody have one.

Originally posted by Greensage
Silly Girlfriends, they should have ordered the "Flag of Cusco and Machu Picchu" cupcakes instead! LOL

Afterall, one Rainbow Flag is as good as another!

This is a media piece at best, in today's World anyone that wants to refuse money must not need it, gay money is green just like any other money. Besides, cupcakes, come-on now! There are tons of bakeries that just love turning out cupcakes, so just go to another "dealer". The cupcake dealer! LOL

Stupid Media!

Somne people hold to principles above money, it's sad that some people don't understand this concept....

Jaden

Originally posted by Brood

Originally posted by Exuberant1
So are you saying that the Bakery owner's should not have the right to refuse to serve gay cupcakes? (They would not have refused to serve gays, they merely refused to produce and sell gay cupcakes)

Oh stop acting as if this is legitimate at all. They responded by saying that the "gays" ( noun

) are converting their kids! The homosexual community is raising awareness, so that there are less ignorant people. Maybe they should give up on that and just have a United States Business Legislature Awareness parade so that all you ignorant people can finally know what the hell you're talking about instead of continuing to say that business owners unconditionally have the right to refuse business to anyone they wish for any reason as if it's true.

At which point should the owners be thrown in gulag? After they refuse to obey court order telling them to serve homosexual cupcakes?

If they aren't professional enough to behave in society with a small business, maybe they aren't mature enough to have one.

What about the second offense? Time for exile to the north and children to the re-education camps?

You are such an alarmist

It is constitutionally true, and the civil rights act is unconstitutional in its modern interpretation and probably period. You probably will respond that that means I must be a racist. Sorry, but that is patently absurd. To be racist I have to judge a person solely by the color of their skin, racism has been so distorted that it has lost all meaning and intent.... lol. It's ridiculous....

Jaden

Originally posted by Masterjaden

Originally posted by Greensage
Silly Girlfriends, they should have ordered the "Flag of Cusco and Machu Picchu" cupcakes instead! LOL

Afterall, one Rainbow Flag is as good as another!

This is a media piece at best, in today's World anyone that wants to refuse money must not need it, gay money is green just like any other money. Besides, cupcakes, come-on now! There are tons of bakeries that just love turning out cupcakes, so just go to another "dealer". The cupcake dealer! LOL

Stupid Media!

Somne people hold to principles above money, it's sad that some people don't understand this concept....

Jaden

But when these principles go against something as inane as declining to paint little rainbows on baked goods due to personal beliefs, it makes me question just what exactly these principles are, and makes me question how reasonable they are.

What exactly are these reasonable principles?

Originally posted by MasterjadenIt is constitutionally true, and the civil rights act is unconstitutional in its modern interpretation and probably period. You probably will respond that that means I must be a racist. Sorry, but that is patently absurd. To be racist I have to judge a person solely by the color of their skin, racism has been so distorted that it has lost all meaning and intent.... lol. It's ridiculous....

Jaden

It may not be racism but it's still discrimination. It's still an ugly face.

Originally posted by Masterjaden

It is constitutionally true, and the civil rights act is unconstitutional in its modern interpretation and probably period. You probably will respond that that means I must be a racist. Sorry, but that is patently absurd. To be racist I have to judge a person solely by the color of their skin, racism has been so distorted that it has lost all meaning and intent.... lol. It's ridiculous....

Jaden

You employ hundreds of politicians to change things, because things change when people become less ignorant. Let's not forget that every developed country in the world has had a civil rights movement; its just a matter of education, not opinion. Truth is, nobody cares if it's constitutional; the constitution has little to do with today's society. Get over it.

I am FOR gay rights and gay marriage. I believe that homosexuality is not a
choice, and I believe I don't have any business worrying about what anyone does
regarding their private sexual lives.

It is called tolerance....it is a two-way street.

If a guy wants to bake cupcakes for gays, fine. If a guy doesn't want to bake
cupcakes for gays, fine.

It is not my business. It is a free-market society.

This company that didn't accept the order did so for personal reasons, and they
will face the consequences of that decision, whether it be a backlash against
them, a boon for them, or.....probably what it will be, a small loss of revenue
because they didn't accept an order and fill it.

None of my business...

This is not really a Gay Rights issue at all. If the bakery refused to sell their cookies to a gay person, THAT would be discrimination the same way if they refused to sell cookies to a Black person. But in this case the Gay Pride group wants the bakery to prepare a customized political statement for them with rainbow cupcakes, the symbol of gay pride. If a Black group went to a printer and wanted them to print politcal flyers advocating a separatist movement and the printer refused, he would not be discriminating against a race, but an idea with which he disagreed.

I forgot to add that it certainly is not the business of any government agency to bring
heat on a private run company for refusing to accept an order.

It is a free-market society...and you open a can of worms that is not easily closed
when you take affirmative action to this degree.

If you don't agree then protest with your dollar and don't do business with the
bakery...attempting to have the nanny-state FIX this for you is a trap.
And you and I, and all of us will get caught later down the road.

Grow up people, take some personal responsibility.

If you cannot get a job, or were harassed or lost a job because you were
a minority, then I, and the state, are behind you.

But if you upset that you can't buy a cupcake from a private vendor, then vote
with your feet and go buy from another vendor,

You stay out of my life...I stay out of yours

Originally posted by schuyler
This is not really a Gay Rights issue at all. If the bakery refused to sell their cookies to a gay person, THAT would be discrimination the same way if they refused to sell cookies to a Black person. But in this case the Gay Pride group wants the bakery to prepare a customized political statement for them with rainbow cupcakes, the symbol of gay pride. If a Black group went to a printer and wanted them to print politcal flyers advocating a separatist movement and the printer refused, he would not be discriminating against a race, but an idea with which he disagreed.

All of these negative comparisons being related to some gay people wanting rainbows on their baked goods. Nazis, animal cruelty, separatist movements, propaganda. Good lord.

I'm not sure if I should laugh my ass off, or hang my head in shame at what society has become. Maybe both.

Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I think in the end, the homosexual crowd must realize you can't legislate acceptance.

You can legislate marriage and equal rights (jobs, housing and all that), but in the end, you can't legislate to make people approve of your life style.

Better to accept it now, rather than being shocked every time someone gives you the stink eye for walking hand in hand with your boyfriend down the street.

Sexual attraction and desire is not a lifestyle. A couple who is married, runs a bakery, and has daughters, daughters that the parents do not want to be tainted by homosexuals due to their beliefs... that is a lifestyle.

So it's better for the people who are against... the gay issue (for lack of a better way to describe it) to accept it now, rather than being shocked every time a lesbian couple walks down the street giving you a condescending little smile in response to the stink eye.

Hey, I'm all for gay marriage. As long as you don't bother me, go marry whom ever you want.

On the other hand, I believe people also have the right to disagree with the lifestyle if they see fit.

And I say 'lifestyle', because I've seen homosexuals on here who claim homosexuality is genetic, most likely a defect or mutation on some gene not discovered yet. I've seen others who claim it is not a genetic mutation of any sort, which would lead me to believe those people don't believe they were born gay....

Originally posted by Brood

Originally posted by Masterjaden

It is constitutionally true, and the civil rights act is unconstitutional in its modern interpretation and probably period. You probably will respond that that means I must be a racist. Sorry, but that is patently absurd. To be racist I have to judge a person solely by the color of their skin, racism has been so distorted that it has lost all meaning and intent.... lol. It's ridiculous....

Jaden

You employ hundreds of politicians to change things, because things change when people become less ignorant. Let's not forget that every developed country in the world has had a civil rights movement; its just a matter of education, not opinion. Truth is, nobody cares if it's constitutional; the constitution has little to do with today's society. Get over it.

F-you.... We'll see if you're still saying get over it, when attitudes like yours lead to revolution.... The constitution is the foundation of this country and many of us who took an oath to support and defend it, with our lives if need be and with the lives of those who are enemies of it more importantly, WILL DO SO if necessary. If you want to change it, then use the prescribed methods.... Two thirds and three fourths.....

Otherwise prepare to be declared an enemy of it.

Jaden