UFO's, Free Energy and Disclosure

I feel that the whole discussion about both Free Energy and UFOs tends to become one giant house of cards. No matter the standpoint, we always build up our argument on assumptions.

Now I'm going to play the notorious on the fence guy for this next part:

We don't know how 'cheap' these free energy/zero point systems are to maintain, build, install. It could be that a fist sized generator could power an entire city or that a city sized reactor will power a single house. The going argument from those people that say they 'know' is that this sort of power system is cheap and powerful. Meaning that it doesn't screw us over in terms of fuel costs like fossil fuels do.

Time for the house of cards:
I'm really starting to warm up to the idea that a few of the UFOs out there are actual crafts. I don't know if they are extra- or simply terrestrial, but that's not important. They are operating with crazy speeds and agility. Whatever they have under the hood is incredibly powerful for its size, and I can believe Energy Companies want to keep this under wraps to keep us buying fuel for our cars, heating, electricity, etc. Some crazy powerful technology like suggested would drastically change society and if you think about how much money, jobs and power systems operate in connection with fossil fuels, you can see how it might want to stay under cover. Though, ultimately, we have no way of knowing what kind of power generation it has. For all we know they could be fueled by tears from three headed monkeys from the planet Zorfghar 5.

My point is we should all keep open minds and I'm glad that some of you do. We're groomed to stand behind our beliefs and that's okay. We really wont know for sure unless something happens. One of the reasons this sort of thinking is getting so much momentum is due to the FACT that there's so much corruption out there in the higher hierarchies of capitalism and even politics. I'm not talking about NWO or whatever. It's simple corruption and selfish agenda promotion. I wouldn't want a new technology to prevent me from going to the golf course either.

Just remember that we know nothing. Life always throws us curve-balls and even with today's level of science, it does there too. I know this sort of reasoning is not good enough for many, we want answers. I can't provide any but I can say that we know nothing.

reply to post by cupocoffee


Thanks for posting that fascinating video clip. I had not seen that before

PEACE,
RK

reply to post by Rigel Kent


Ah, finally someone acknowledges the video, thank you!

I thought I was the only one who kept seeing a great opportunity there!

reply to post by cupocoffee


I've heard/seen/read about Bedini's generators before. Notice that the magnets are mounted on the perimeter of the conductive disk (looks like aluminum in this case. Very cost effective and light weight!). The concept is the same as Faraday's induction generator, to a point.

I'm curious though. Electrical induction occurs when a connection is made with the outer circumference of the spinning conductive disk, and the spinning conductive shaft, both under the influence of a magnetic field. As described by Lorentz, (previously predicted mathematically by Maxwell!) it is the difference in rotational speed between the two circumferences that generates electricity of high current, low voltage. There must be a connection with the disk, and the shaft. It doesn't matter if the magnet(s) are stationary or rotating with the disk for this effect to happen.

The circuit of Bedini's generator (which is apparently it's own motor, too!) doesn't seem to be connected with the central shaft at all, which is curious to me. If it works more akin to say a Van de Graaf then there should be a ground wire somewhere which would draw instead of discharge, and I didn't see any. But still, I doubt you could draw enough power to keep the disk spinning even if there was, especially since it seems to be it's own motor, too (back EMF problems?).

But man, that is a sexy machine... Perhaps there is some kind of a secret special marriage/configuration between induction generators and static generators; One being high current, the other obviously being high voltage, that perhaps when brought together under the right conditions overcomes many of the obstacles associated with 'relatively/comparatively free energy'. Still, that's one damned sexy machine!

reply to post by Flux8


Thanks for sending me back to the future on this one, Flux8

And I agree, it looks really great (not sure if I would want to use the word 'sexy').

More importantly though - does it work the way they say it does?

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
reply to post by wasco2

 

You cannot have your 15 minutes back, they are gone forever

You say they are all FOS... That is a cop out, you do not support it with anything.... FAIL

Wrong. It was a 15 minute video, I'm not going to critique every minute of it. What they are and what they are after should be evident to anyone capable of critical thought.

we will never evolve if we do not think outside the box and beyond all known physics, so you cannot make a statement that we will "never" develop free energy.

Please quote me accurately. What I said was:"No one has, or is ever likely to develop, a free energy machine extracting zero point energy."

That is a factual and completely reasonable statement. Physicists understand that the whole concept of zero point energy was merely a mathematical construct (a fudge in other words) to make the equations work. They never assumed it represents a real phenomena.

Your refusal to read an actual scientific article by real scientists is telling.

Your Government knows little about the real UFO phenomena because it is largely monitored and controlled by the military and is very compartmentalized. Presidents do not need to know.

Woo hoo! Tin foil hat nutter time!! No comment required or possible.

www.ufowatchdog.com?? Your having a laugh aren't you? I will give it a miss thank you

Refute any of their very specific claims. C'mon, I dare ya!

I've been following Greer, and had my doubts about him, since the early 1990s when he was "vectoring in" UFOs with flashlights and chanting. UFOs, I might add, that no one except his tiny band of equally loony followers could see. Or rather the UFOs looked like ordinary air traffic to those others who weren't followers of his.

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I did notice that smaller unit he showed off looks a lot like the inards of my F cap. Ummm errr I mean from the movies!

Originally posted by wasco2

That is a factual and completely reasonable statement. Physicists understand that the whole concept of zero point energy was merely a mathematical construct (a fudge in other words) to make the equations work. They never assumed it represents a real phenomena.

So let me get this straight:

You are saying that none of physics makes sense and all the equations don't work unless you presume the existence of this raging sea of virtual energy in the fabric of space-time - but at the same time, that raging sea of virtual energy isn't really real and we can't use it?

Huh.....

I was reading a lot about "free energy " in 2001. I ask many of it's proponents to demonstrate a working device.

I was told by two that they were in negotiations to have units produced in France and sold world wide. This was in 2003.

I am still waitng to see a demonstration of any such devise.

I am not saying it can't be done. I am just STILL waiting !

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reply to post by cupocoffee


Thank you for showing me an over complicated battery charger.

All this time I was expecting a "free energy " device to actually produce enough horse power and torque to do some work. You know, like run my refridgerator or move my car down the road.

I would like to say that this may be a step toward a better system, but it is such a small step I would not have brought it up myself.

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This 10-coil unit is rumored to output around 10KW, much more than enough to power a fridge, car or house.

Plus it's completely open-source, the kit comes with all the parts, schematics, instructions, everything.

So IMHO there is no excuse any more, everything we would need to try this is there.

All that is needed now are some brave engineers to volunteer to test the thing, and some generous soul willing to donate some of these kits for testing.........

reply to post by MarrsAttax


Imagine people will be totally free from the burden of paying for the energy they use. This means a society of cheap food, water, abundant automation, hardly no manual labor needed. You would think no one will reject such a world. But there are a group of people who are more interested in putting yokes on your shoulder than lifting it off from you. That's the problem. The Aliens and the UFO disclosure have a lot more to it than what it looks like. It is related to the total overhaul of the known civilization. Religion, science, political system are all bound to change. That's why I say it won't happen from the top to the bottom. It can happen by the cosmic event the ones that the humans can not control.

Originally posted by notsoperfect
reply to post by MarrsAttax

 

Imagine people will be totally free from the burden of paying for the energy they use. This means a society of cheap food, water, abundant automation, hardly no manual labor needed. You would think no one will reject such a world. But there are a group of people who are more interested in putting yokes on your shoulder than lifting it off from you. That's the problem. The Aliens and the UFO disclosure have a lot more to it than what it looks like. It is related to the total overhaul of the known civilization. Religion, science, political system are all bound to change. That's why I say it won't happen from the top to the bottom. It can happen by the cosmic event the ones that the humans can not control.

Now I feel we are getting somewhere,
Thank you.

PEACE,
RK

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Thanks for your learned contributions.... I have noticed before, in other threads how you have brought Tesla's work to the discussion. Much of it is beyond my comprehension but nontheless, I thank you for your efforts

PEACE
RK

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

Thanks for your learned contributions.... I have noticed before, in other threads how you have brought Tesla's work to the discussion. Much of it is beyond my comprehension but nontheless, I thank you for your efforts

PEACE
RK

There is a Tesla conspiracy and it seems to invade us today, sorry about that.
I had many Tesla links until getting a new operating system and since found
out even more.
In any case it looks like we should consider the UFO top secret even though
there is no official word or story as we say.
Thus free energy is also top secret or above top secret as with the secret
government we hear tell about.
And so "Disclosure" is top secret so forget waiting around for it.

Here is the best part. As said there is no official top secret that we know
about and leaves us free to find out the science and make piles of money
in the process.
So that is why there is so much discussion as people are monitoring the web
for hints on what to claim as the next big thing and become rich.
ED: And none the less.. the ship does exist, over unity machines as well

I read this post and thought I'd toss up another thread related to my thoughts on free energy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That post contains a couple of videos I whipped up displaying a concept for generating free energy. The concept is incredibly simple so most of you should understand pretty quickly how it works. I can only imagine that this concept had been thought of before, but being as how no money can be made off of free energy who would invest in it's development?

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Rigel Kent.....

Now I feel we are getting somewhere

Because he agree's with you?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Symbiot
I read this post and thought I'd toss up another thread related to my thoughts on free energy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That post contains a couple of videos I whipped up displaying a concept for generating free energy. The concept is incredibly simple so most of you should understand pretty quickly how it works. I can only imagine that this concept had been thought of before, but being as how no money can be made off of free energy who would invest in it's development?

Anything with a permanent magnet has a good start.
The problem with capturing ambient energy with electrical wires means using a lot of
wires means owning a copper mine as well and the secret science police will find
out about the large wire accumulation and come a knocking.
They know what to look out for because they are told.
They are just doing their job under orders.
A Tesla ambient generator is said by Mr. Lyne to have 5 or 50 miles of wire
and runs a fair sized submarine.

Originally posted by cupocoffee

So let me get this straight:

You are saying that none of physics makes sense and all the equations don't work unless you presume the existence of this raging sea of virtual energy in the fabric of space-time - but at the same time, that raging sea of virtual energy isn't really real and we can't use it?

Huh.....

Not exactly what I said.

At the risk of quoting too much I'm going to let Professor John Baez of UCR explain:

"The concept of vacuum energy shows up in certain computations in quantum field theory, which is the tool we use to conduct modern particle physics. In reality, particles interact with one another through a variety of forces. This is a complicated business, so in quantum-field theory we start by studying an idealized model in which particles do not interact at all. This is called a 'free-field theory.' Then we use this free-field theory as the basis for studying the 'interacting-field theory' we are really interested in.

"In quantum-field theory, the vacuum state is defined to be the state having the least energy density. Something funny happens when we use a free-field theory to study an interacting-field theory: the vacuum state of the free-field theory is different from vacuum state of the interacting-field theory. The vacuum state of the interacting-field theory may have more or less energy than that of the free-field theory; the difference is called the vacuum energy.

"One should not take this vacuum energy too literally, however, because the free-field theory is just a mathematical tool to help us understand what we are really interested in: the interacting theory. Only the interacting theory is supposed to correspond directly to reality. Because the vacuum state of the interacting theory is the state of least energy in reality, there is no way to extract the vacuum energy and use it for anything.

www.scientificamerican.com...

I may not be qualified to say it, but he is eminently qualified.

Like others have pointed out, the hucksters have been promising working zero point energy machines are just around the corner for nearly 20 years now and still no one has produced a working machine. Now you know why.