UFO's, Free Energy and Disclosure

In the case of the ufo ship that goes 300 miles per second, makes 90 degree
turns and such the energy tag as free energy is disinformation or just
plain uninformed as the mechanism determined by Tesla yields a giant
force of momentum beyond normal expectations.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


You know, later in his life after discovering electrical induction, Michael Faraday supposedly helped a friend in researching sound (or rather vibration) with Chladni plates. When seeing not only the distinct patterns associated with frequencies and the resonance between vibrated plates and 'still' plates this was a Eureka moment for him. In his opinion it represented the true nature of the electric effect we call electricity ("tension in the dielectric" I think he called it) not necessarily the one -vs- two fluid (electron) theory that still persists today. And of course you know ( ) that perhaps Tesla's greatest works were in... EM resonance. Coincidence? I think not.

I just saw a diagram by Tesla of plates with streamers between them
identified as a capacitor with movable plates.
There was a mention of force but alas no mention that the plates were moved
by the electricity.
But Tesla was the biggest secret holder of all time.
Some of the best secrets I've found out so far involve the flow of AC is
one way as in radio and at the root of how he operated the coils.

Originally posted by Onet Wosix
maybe its a wee bit off topic... but has Stanton Friedman ever spoken about, or expressed any opinions on Steven Greer / Disclosure???

I would respect Stantons opinion , as i find him to be one of the most level headed and respected in the UFO field.

Anyone know ???

Stanton Friedman on Greer in an ATS interview:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


He has to be careful as they are both trying to make a living off of what is ultimately a fairly small market of fringe kooks. Neither one knows when the other will prove useful so it behooves them to tread lightly when discussing the other

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MarrsAttax.....

Regarding Science:

I don't believe there is any science behind this material.

Regarding People:

I believe Greer just collects people to propel his own nefarious agenda.

His "nefarious agenda"? That really is hilarious MMN...I happen to agree with many of Greer's viewpoints and the conclusions he has reached on many things. In any case, it does not invalidate the testimony he has collected, and to argue that is absurd. If people like you were to come in and trash every thread lacking "science" we wouldn't have many left. A lot "evidence" we have is in the form of testimony, and who ever wants to carefully examine all that testimony will reach one of two conclusions:

1) You see testimony from Astronauts, Presidents, radar technicians, pilots, aeronautical engineers, NASA employees, high ranking military officers, nuclear technicians, and so on - however, you decide to believe they must all be crazy, misinformed, or lying.

2) You accept that the overwhelming body of testimony which slots together well with other evidence of Alien visitation, and accept that at least some people have to be telling the truth when it comes to Aliens.

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CHA0S.....

His "nefarious agenda"?

Yes.....Greer's "nefarious agenda".....

.....which is to hoax & con & suck money out of gullible people whilst pumping up his self-interpreted grandiosity.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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i tend to notice you only focus one one little part of a conversation and keep reiterating it. i seem to remember me bringing up something about the cometa report and their et hypothesis and how they reached it, as well as leaked documents from our gov't reaching the et hypothesis, and you responded only to the video i posted after as a follow-up.

now here, you seem to be simply focusing on greer when there is a larger discussion in place.

now i tend to think that you believe in the existence of ufos. now if ufo's exist (and there is boatloads of evidence to support that they do), then they have to use some form of novel form of energy supply and propulsion to perform the maneuvers they have been reported to do. whether this is indeed "zero point" energy or not (but research into nikola tesla's research tends to suggest this may be the case), the technology used to propel these craft would have huge practical application to energy supply for the public.

so the question isnt really IF they have novel forms of energy they are keeping from the public, it is WHAT TYPE is it, and is it FREE as stated, or just MUCH CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT?

I'm sure that you cannot get free energy out of nothing, but I'm also sure that there is no such thing as nothing, no such thing as everything, in the subjective term or in any other term for that matter. Begorrah, I just used nothing, everything, and matter in a a sentence or two.

There are a number of possible Tesla electrical generating devices that might even be over unity
but that does not propel any supposed aircraft he may have sought someone to make.
Most of his demos and plans involve a lot of wire.
Just talking about the flying device there is a thought that even with common power plants
and a proper electrical generator and network to the coils there would be enough power to
generate the Tesla pressure waves, as he said sound waves in the ether, to capture the
momentum to cause great propulsion. What is unknown to us is not the energy but
waves going the speed of light going off a pile of wire that control the Tesla ether
or whatever is out there. Thus at least two things never focused on by scientific
endeavors, perhaps for good reason as they are being used already.

Originally posted by thedeadlyrhythm
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

i tend to notice you only focus one one little part of a conversation and keep reiterating it. i seem to remember me bringing up something about the cometa report and their et hypothesis and how they reached it, as well as leaked documents from our gov't reaching the et hypothesis, and you responded only to the video i posted after as a follow-up.

now here, you seem to be simply focusing on greer when there is a larger discussion in place.

now i tend to think that you believe in the existence of ufos. now if ufo's exist (and there is boatloads of evidence to support that they do), then they have to use some form of novel form of energy supply and propulsion to perform the maneuvers they have been reported to do. whether this is indeed "zero point" energy or not (but research into nikola tesla's research tends to suggest this may be the case), the technology used to propel these craft would have huge practical application to energy supply for the public.

so the question isnt really IF they have novel forms of energy they are keeping from the public, it is WHAT TYPE is it, and is it FREE as stated, or just MUCH CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT?

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Hi deadly,
There is certainly levitating technology as demonstrated by "the lifter" by nothing more than electrical imput but it works in small scale. At the moment it at the Wright brothers stage, and is not completely understood. Not free energy, but could be as good as all according to where the electrical power comes from or how much is ultimately needed. I'll post a link if you want. At this stage it is not correctly known if the effect is universal, or Earthbound, but Earthbound would do nicely.

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Thedeadlyrhythm…..

i tend to notice you only focus one one little part of a conversation

Perhaps when you think it is ”one little part of a conversation”…..

I think it is ”one” BIG ”part of a conversation”.

and keep reiterating it.

That’s a fair representation of my contributions on occasions.

I sometimes find myself doing that for a few reasons:

- People in a discussion are not understanding a point I am making

- People in a discussion are purposely ignoring a point I am making

- People in a discussion are not noticing a point I am making

i seem to remember me bringing up something about the cometa report and their et hypothesis and how they reached it

That is a very interesting document & in many ways, serves as a great example of how this extremely complex & disparate subject should be approached.

as well as leaked documents from our gov't reaching the et hypothesis

I can’t recall to which ”leaked documents from our gov't reaching the et hypothesis” you refer, so I cannot usefully reply to that.

you responded only to the video i posted after as a follow-up.

I cannot recall to which video you refer, so I cannot reply in context.

now here, you seem to be simply focusing on greer when there is a larger discussion in place.

Greer must be a core element of this discussion because he only selected these people to be part of his “presentation” because in his mind, they allowed him to pursue his nefarious agenda of hoaxing & scamming & sucking money out of gullible people, whilst pumping up his self-interpreted grandiosity.

I don't believe there is any science behind this material……nothing at all has been validated

And Tom Bearden….. perhaps you need to review more of his material…..maybe even visit him on his planet. :shk:

now i tend to think that you believe in the existence of ufos.

Absolutely & unequivocally.

now if ufo's exist

Which they do…..

and there is boatloads of evidence to support that they do

Which there is…..

then they have to use some form of novel form of energy supply and propulsion to perform the maneuvers they have been reported to do.

But the objects are unidentified.

Therefore you cannot by definition say ”they have to use some form of novel form of energy supply and propulsion”.

whether this is indeed "zero point" energy or not (but research into nikola tesla's research tends to suggest this may be the case), the technology used to propel these craft would have huge practical application to energy supply for the public.

On the one hand…..

You state the objects are UFOs.....which means you don’t know what the objects are.

On the other hand…..

You state the objects are ”crafts”

Your statements are mutually exclusive.

so the question isnt really IF they have novel forms of energy they are keeping from the public, it is WHAT TYPE is it, and is it FREE as stated, or just MUCH CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT?

”So the question” is ”really” why you are basing such points of view on non-validated material, presented by people chosen by an infamous hoaxer & con man, purely for the purpose of driving his own selfish agenda?

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

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in fact, i don't base any of my opinions on greer whatsoever. i was just stating that there was way more to this conversation than just greer. greer is not the only one who has brought up the implications of the energy requirements of these "craft"

if these various government investigations, whether you want to quote the french cometa report, the released uk files, or the released russian files, all came to the conclusion that these ufo's were a real and physical, and their best hypotheses were that they were et "craft", i'm going to go ahead and say that that's probably our best explanation as well.

so if our best explanation is indeed that they are "craft", then there is indeed some novel propulsion and energy system at work here. what is your opinion on the work of tesla? he was known to never come forward with claims of a technology unless they worked. when he came forward with claims of free energy technology, jp morgan cut his funding, and he was never able to accomplish much afterwards. he was essentially blacklisted. when he kept working on his own, his labs were burnt down, his files stolen. even after his death, the us govt confiscated all of his patents and designs.

there are a lot of pieces of this puzzle. but many of them point in a similar direction. a big part of it has to do with energy.




and just to respond to what you said about tom b and the rest of greer's people, i didn't even watch the greer vid. i have no interest. everything i've read about zero point/free energy has been through my research about tesla and related material. none of which has come from greer or anyone associated with him.

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You cannot have your 15 minutes back, they are gone forever

You say they are all FOS... That is a cop out, you do not support it with anything.... FAIL

Please identify the conmen from the hucksters (your words not mine)

we will never evolve if we do not think outside the box and beyond all known physics, so you cannot make a statement that we will "never" develop free energy. You should state "We will never develop free energy based on current physical laws" That would be a much more accurate statement.

I don't have time to check your scientificamerican.com link now but will check later

Your Government knows little about the real UFO phenomena because it is largely monitored and controlled by the military and is very compartmentalized. Presidents do not need to know.

The US Govt has looked into the phenomena and reports from the public only so far as to deny and cover up any info ( Roswell for starters)

The video was presented by Greer.... that is all ... it was made up from the testimonies of others... not Greer

www.ufowatchdog.com?? Your having a laugh aren't you? I will give it a miss thank you

PEACE,
RK

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Welsh Mulder,
Thanks for bringing your "specialist" expertise to the discussion, I agree with you that free energy is not possible based on our current scientific knowledge but just think that 100 years ago, nuclear power generation was not possible due to our level of scientific knowledge base.

I do not need to disprove the first and second laws as I am not actively trying to produce free energy. My specialist field is construction and metallurgy so I will stick with that.

I am not accepting Greers words alone at face value, I have been interested in UFOology for many years now and have a well developed and balanced set of beliefs based on info from many different sources (some governmental). I personally believe the 2 craft story from Roswell so that gives the military scientists 63 years now to have back engineered anti-gravity/propulsion systems

In answer to your question... No I do not think that Energy companies would develop and market free energy machines. why? they have a system in place already which fleeces the customer quite nicely and I feel they would patent the idea and put it on a shelf - never to be seen again... Just like the car manufacturers did with extended life electrical battery systems.

I have no Idea how any free energy device would work so cannot comment on how it would be installed or operate to supply a household with power. Lets for one minute assume it was possible. I am pretty sure that those who could not afford it would soon get an unlicensed copy

Free energy may seem like nonsense with our current PUBLIC level of electrical/Physics knowledge but imagine what the military has got and will have in the future.

Thanks for your reply and I had no intention of ignoring you, You may think all of this is BS, that's OK your entitled to your views. I suggest time will tell,

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Welsh_Mulder

Its like me saying "I have the potential to make millions because I can cure cancer,

The free energy argument is BS!!

Well if you found a cure for cancer I suggest that the patent would be bought and shelved by big pharma to protect their multi billion dollar cancer treatment program. Either that or if you refused to sell the patent, your automobile brakes would fail killing you instantly

Zero point.... Big Bang theory anyone??

PEACE,
RK

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Regardless of everything you know about greer, what he basically says in part 8 of these vids is TRUE

Sooooo... It doesn't really matter at all that he charged some schmuck 200.00 for a copy of picture of a butterfly larvae yesterday, what he talks about here is correct.....

Maybe they just need to kick his butt out and get a new spokesman?

Still though, Even as earth shattering as the information from the over 100 ex military etc. is, I still don't think it will force any sort of reform of the power people in any way...

The only thing that will uproot those people is a third party coming in and cleaning them all out of there, and confiscating their goods....

A real tall order !!

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
reply to post by Welsh_Mulder

 

Thanks for your reply and I had no intention of ignoring you, You may think all of this is BS, that's OK your entitled to your views. I suggest time will tell,

PEACE,
RK

Cheers Regal Kent, all good healthy intelligent discussion and I agree with the points you make. Everyone is entitled to their views it's what propels our understanding of the world, along with open minds.

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It doesn't change what you said but it does refute it.

To paraphrase, you said it was the lack of information that caused UFOs to remain unexplained and that further information would always reveal a mundane cause.

I provided a source that demonstrates that is not the case. If anything the opposite is true. That from a scientific study.

Where is your source for your statement? Don't just make a pronouncement and treat it as fact.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by MarrsAttax

 

Man all the usual cliches about energy companies the government the military trying to keep good old joe public in the dark about how to get free energy.
Does it ever occur to you guys IF aliens visit us and have the technology to travel vast distances they would also have the technology to never be detected in the first place, I mean even we are trying to do that.

Yes it does. The logical conclusion must be that on the occasions when they are detected, it is either part of their agenda to be so detected or that they're just not bothered if they are seen by small groups of people or individuals. After all, no one believes these witnesses anyway, right?