the LHC, solar flares and 2012, this is how they are linked and why!

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get off your high horse and put the coffee down.

LOOK FOR ALL OF YOU

Atoms plus fluctuations in E&M forces is a dangerous mix....add colliding atoms during an E'&M anomoly...who knows what could happen?

fact is NONE OF YOU know whast cern are up to...neither do i...i connected a few dots that have a significant probability of being a reasonable threat when using the collider during massive FTEs. as we believe we "could" create black holes...then during an electromagnetic anomoly they should imploy somesort of sensor of atmospherics.

the sooner we know that we cannot create blackholes the better

i suggest they find out as much as possible asap.

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How is civility in answering you seen as my being "on a high horse"? "put the coffee down" ?
It's my avatar, not a webcam.

But again, solar flares would not make a microscopic "black hole" at CERN go all nuts and grow to threaten the world. Although you say you have shown that would happen, I don't agree that you have.
And again, science does not back you.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6

It's my avatar, not a webcam.

lol

solar flares would not make a microscopic "black hole" at CERN go all nuts and grow to threaten the world. Although you say you have shown that would happen,

what if you make a collision during an E&M fluctuation...??

And again, science does not back you

are you sure...?

reply to post by theAymen

what if you make a collision during an E&M fluctuation...??

The solar wind fluctuates constantly. Literally. By your reasoning any and all of the work done at the CERN LHC should have destroyed the planet many times over by now.

are you sure...?

We are all still here last I checked. (well some of us are, lol )

subteranean chamber

reply to post by theAymen

the one where he calls me a fake and a liar

I believe you are that, but that issue is immaterial to this discussion of the LHC and solar activity.

It has been made quite clear that there are events much more powerful than the LHC happening all of the time. What the LHC provides is a means of observing these events in great detail.

Atoms plus fluctuations in E&M forces is a dangerous mix

That's how the world works. Atoms interact with each other via the EM force. The reason things seem solid is due to interactions of the electrons of the atoms involved.

.i connected a few dots that have a significant probability of being a reasonable threat when using the collider during massive FTEs.

That's completely false. You have made wild and fantastical leaps of fantasy to reach this notion. Suppose there is a massive FTE. Where is the evidence that the particles can penetrate atmosphere or the ground? Where is the evidence that the sun's magnetic field is detectable below the Earth's surface. Where is any evidence that anything at all happens?

Let's see what science has to say about some of these issues.
Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun
This article suggests FTEs happen every 8 minutes. It also says that the events were unknown in 1998. Must be hard to detect, i.e. have little to no effect down here on the surface.

Devices with atoms in fluctuating EM fields include: MRIs, transformers, electric motors, microwave ovens, computers, radios, ...

So how strong is the Earth's and Sun's magnetic fields? How about we ask cool magnet man.
How strong are magnets?
Looks like the sun is much stronger than the Earth in a sunspot. It's estimated to be 1500G, while the Earth is around .5G. But big magnets like in junk yards could be 15,000G. I really doubt that junk yard electromagnets are going to form black holes.

So how does the magnetic field get measured at the sun's surface? Better ask an astrophysicist.
The Magnetic
Field of the Sun
The Zeeman effect is observed. Read about it. There you learn that the magnetic field of the sun is strong in sun spots.

What is the measured strength of the magnetic field at the Earth's surface? It is as stated .5G. The sun does not change the value. There are much stronger magnets employed in the LHC. They are 8.36T. Wow!
The LHC supermagnets and cooling system

So the magnetic field of the Earth pales in comparison to the magnetic field of the LHC.

Originally posted by stereologist
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hmmmm so your back....tuttut

I believe you are that, but that issue is immaterial to this discussion of the LHC and solar activity.

go read a book...or a google search bar

It has been made quite clear that there are events much more powerful than the LHC happening all of the time. What the LHC provides is a means of observing these events in great detail.

??? are you sure
particles are hitting eachother at 99% speed of light.... head on??? only photons can be and they are massless

Atoms plus fluctuations in E&M forces is a dangerous mix

That's how the world works. Atoms interact with each other via the EM force. The reason things seem solid is due to interactions of the electrons of the atoms involved.

YES..SO E&M FLUCTUATIONS ARE DANGEROUS WHEN SMASHING PARTICLES

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That's completely false. You have made wild and fantastical leaps of fantasy to reach this notion. Suppose there is a massive FTE. Where is the evidence that the particles can penetrate atmosphere or the ground? Where is the evidence that the sun's magnetic field is detectable below the Earth's surface. Where is any evidence that anything at all happens?

atoms my friend atoms are affected by em. including the ground and under ALL THE WAY TO THE EARTHS CORE em fluctuations are felt.

leaps of fantasy....you know something...this is totally random so chill blue blood.

i was hoovering today and my young sis was watching tinypop tv.,,a childrens gameshow was on...when i turned off the hoover..as my sis turned up the telly due to the hoover...i heard "the contestants have to slide into the particle accelorater" i was like what?....."then they have to shoot the cones with an invisble beam" ...they had like a cylinder/cannon type object which lets ot bursts of an invisible something and knocks the cones over.

i imediately thought microwaves...which led me to the film i watched last night...batman begins...they had a microwave machine like the cylinder the kids were using...which effects water in the film..there was a drug in that film that makes people hallcinate nightmares....now iv just read on '___' ...there must be a reason why this is everywhere...when you see people openly discussing the following back off..
haarp
bluebeam
microwaves
electromagnetics
the sun

there is something going on

also im saying maybe our sparring is for a reason...lets get to the bottom of this...push me..my psyc could answer

so r u a mod on here...
i can write how i want..im not handing in a thesis...

reply to post by theAymen


I don't think that using a Batman movie is going to lend any credence to your argument on this.
Just because you watched something on a kids game show and you watched a Batman movie truly doesn't mean anything except that you watched them.
On top of it all you keep making comments about everyone secretly being Mods.
Careful, you'll start to sound paranoid.

Originally posted by theAymen
so r u a mod on here... i can write how i want..im not handing in a thesis...

"you need to realise that some people here are mods, they post themselves stars...the info is there...google it."

well youv shown me that its your site, and im not here as an equal...the stars you award urself are cool when youv got a strong point to make...but awarding youself stars when your being rude...tut tut

One more time: Moderators are clearly identified as such in their avatars. People can not award themselves stars or flags. Is it so hard to believe that responses that disagree with your less than factual information get starred?

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TheAymen…..

leaps of fantasy....

I agree…..the material you have provided represents ”leaps of fantasy”.

this is totally random

I agree…..the material you have provided ”is totally random”.

watching tinypop tv.,,a childrens gameshow was on.....i heard "the contestants have to slide into the particle accelorater" i was like what?....."then they have to shoot the cones with an invisble beam" ...they had like a cylinder/cannon type object which lets ot bursts of an invisible something and knocks the cones over.

Based on the information you have provided, I tend to think the "tinypop tv.,,a childrens gameshow" you were watching was “make believe”, as in it was not showing you anything that was real.

the film i watched last night...batman begins...they had a microwave machine like the cylinder the kids were using...which effects water in the film..there was a drug in that film that makes people hallcinate nightmares....now iv just read on '___' ...there must be a reason why this is everywhere...when you see people openly discussing the following

I confirm that ”batman begins” is also “make believe”. It is a fiction film. A fiction film is a film that is “make believe”, as in it is not real. ”batman begins” is based on a famous cartoon character created by Bob Kane. It was made in 2005 & directed by Christopher Nolan.

Here is a reference to show you it is a fiction film.....i.e. it is not real:

en.wikipedia.org...

back off..

I am not sure of your meaning. Could you clarify your meaning? (many thanks)

harp bluebeam microwaves electromagnetic the sun there is something going on

What do you think it is that ”is something going on”?

push me..my psyc could answer

I am not sure of your meaning. Could you clarify your meaning? (many thanks)

so r u a mod on here...

Mods are always clearly marked as such in their avatars.

Please let me know if you would like me to provide an example of a Mod.

i can write how i want..

We ”can write how” we ”want” within the parameters of the ATS T&C’s & the ATS Credo.

im not handing in a thesis...

I confirm you are ”not handing in a thesis”.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by theAymen


Again you didn't say anything in your post.

??? are you sure
particles are hitting eachother at 99% speed of light.... head on??? only photons can be and they are massless

I would suggest you read the information on cosmic ray particles already posted. The energies are much greater than what the LHC can ever produce. That's much greater than the 99% of the speed of light head on you mention. BTW, that's not a measure of the energies. The LHC is limited by the strength of the magnetic fields that can be produced.

YES..SO E&M FLUCTUATIONS ARE DANGEROUS WHEN SMASHING PARTICLES

If you ever take a basic course in physics or logic you will see that this statement does not follow from where you plagiarized my post.

EM issues are not dangerous where smashing particles. Particles collide with microwaves, transformers, radar and radio installations all of the time.

atoms my friend atoms are affected by em. including the ground and under ALL THE WAY TO THE EARTHS CORE em fluctuations are felt.

Another in a long list of statements that is irrelevant followed by unfounded claims. You have no proof whatsoever that there are fluctutations all of the way to the core. Please tell us what this rather nebulous comment refers to.

Can you attempt to clear up some vague and what appear to be disconnect thoughts?

only photons can be and they are massless

This appears to be demonstrably false. Lots of particles can be accelerated to these speeds. Why do you claim only photons when photons always travel at the speed of light in vacuum. They never travel at less than the speed of light in a vacuum.

including the ground and under ALL THE WAY TO THE EARTHS CORE em fluctuations are felt.

What do you mean by fluctuations? What fluctuations? This is completely vague. It sounds like a term seen at a hoax site.

Atoms plus fluctuations in E&M forces is a dangerous mix

Here again is the reference to fluctuations. What does this mean? What is changing? The sentence implies that the fluctuations are EM.

All sorts of powerful EM events are used here on Earth such as fires, microwaves, transformers, electromagnets, electric motors, radios, computers, and light bulbs.

Atoms and EM fluctuations is it? Well, a dramatic event is lightning.
From Lightning
Temperature = 30,000C 3 times the temperature of the sun
Amperage = up to 120kA
How many electrons = up to 350Coulombs
Energy per stroke = 500MJ
How many of these events per year: 16 million

Atoms being subjected to these EM fluctuations so many times per year and no black holes or worm holes or other phenomena despite the fact that this has been happening for billions of years here and on other planets in the solar system.

Looks like the 1.12 microJoule collisions in the LHC are really tiny compared to the energy of a lightning bolt.

Here's a bit of an interesting read on wire making. There are no records of making wire in ancient Egypt. Well the folks over at the barbed wire museum have been looking into the origins of wire and here is what they have to say:

THE MAKING OF WIRE

"And they did beat the gold into thin plates, and cut it into wires, to work it… in the fine linen." This description is contained in the Book of Exodus, chapter 39.

So wire was known in biblical times.

The period of 3,000 B.C. to 400 A.D. saw the native metals developed but with little improvement made in the manufacture of wire. The "slit and hammer" method remained dominant.

So wire making was primitive even through Ptolemaic times.

A bit off topic but more interesting that the false claims of electric lights in ancient Egypt.

In 1632 the needle-makers, who had developed steel wire, accidentally discovered that human urination applied to the wire left a coating that lubricated the wire and helped smooth the surface. It also helped prevent rusting. The use of this lubricant in wire drawing lasted well into the 19th century when a hot lime bath took its place.

So what was wire used in ancient times - in jewelry. How do we know? Because it has been found. Has wire been found that was employed for electrical purposes. NO!

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by theAymen

 

TheAymen…..

leaps of fantasy....

I agree…..the material you have provided represents ”leaps of fantasy”.

???.. if i told a caveman about tv and mobile phones...he`d say the same thing.
neanderthole..its time to leave your cave

I agree…..the material you have provided ”is totally random”.

it would seem random to bin laden as well...yes im comparing you to the name thats destroying the free world

Based on the information you have provided, I tend to think the "tinypop tv.,,a childrens gameshow" you were watching was “make believe”, as in it was not showing you anything that was real.

yes...but where did the producer get his inspirationfrom...to subliminally put it in childrens heads.

I confirm that ”batman begins” is also “make believe”. It is a fiction film. A fiction film is a film that is “make believe”, as in it is not real. ”batman begins” is based on a famous cartoon character created by Bob Kane. It was made in 2005 & directed by Christopher Nolan.

once again...where did the inspiration come from....major film, millions will see it.
dont quote the name and watch it...clearly theu have a microwave emiting machine....halllucinations...floods.

im not saying its real...but to qualify as the plot...

also
"back off "means...save your heckles.

harp bluebeam microwaves electromagnetic the sun there is something going on

What do you think it is that ”is something going on”?

because now they have the nerve to make out:
1) bluebeam..doesnt and never existed
2) haarp...went from airforce..inland security/defence...government going onto privately owned.
tax payers money was used intill they could see the machine is capable of more....now none can ask or know about haarps uses.
3) microwaves...a whole new arsenal of weapons are being made with this technology...BY PRIVATE FIRMS.
u wanna wait untill a knob zapps u in the street before you comment?
4) electromagnetics and the sun...we were the sun is changing..we are now told it isnt.

I am not sure of your meaning. Could you clarify your meaning? (many thanks)

if your questions are pure & relevant Pharaoh will answer.

Mods are always clearly marked as such in their avatars.

yes but snakes are not.

Please let me know if you would like me to provide an example of a Mod.

i think i got a good enough idea

We ”can write how” we ”want” within the parameters of the ATS T&C’s & the ATS Credo.

does the credo tell me to be a heckling snake...i dont see it...wanna point it out


laterz

Originally posted by stereologist

This appears to be demonstrably false. Lots of particles can be accelerated to these speeds. Why do you claim only photons when photons always travel at the speed of light in vacuum. They never travel at less than the speed of light in a vacuum.

r u sure you know what ur talking about.
you said yourself that cosmic rays are hitting us...YES..MASSLESS PHOTONS.
what else travels at the speed of light.
what we are doing at cern is taking particles that have no business traveling at 99% the speed of light.

other than photons...please tell me what naturally travels at the speed of light...i only know of light photons which have no mass.......

What do you mean by fluctuations? What fluctuations? This is completely vague. It sounds like a term seen at a hoax site.

well you would know what a hoax site is...

[quote
Here again is the reference to fluctuations. What does this mean? What is changing? The sentence implies that the fluctuations are EM.

All sorts of powerful EM events are used here on Earth such as fires, microwaves, transformers, electromagnets, electric motors, radios, computers, and light bulbs.

yes i know...but all are nothing compared to the suns E&M fluctuations are they.
you dont like the word Fluctuation lol ok how about "a sudden and signficant change in E&M forces"

to sum up one more time

ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATIONS FROM THE SUN WILL EFFECT US DOWN TO EVERY ATOM OF OUR GALAXY. THE MAGNETIC FIELDS FROM MASSVIE SOLAR FLARES..WILL EFFECT E&M FORCES ON EARTH...COLLIDING PARTICLES OF AN ATOM DURING A MASSICE FTE.....IF ANYTHING...WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING

reply to post by theAymen


That was a long winded way to say that your ideas are based on really bad television shows and movies that are made for children. That was a movie targeted at children you were watching, right?

reply to post by theAymen

yes i know...but all are nothing compared to the suns E&M fluctuations are they.

That's a huge mistake onyour part. I just showed that the sun's magnetic effects are small at the Earth's surface. You have never showed that the EM effects fromt he sun penetrate any distance into the Earth.

"a sudden and signficant change in E&M forces"

This is again vague. Tell us some specifics such as what is sudden and what is significant. Let's see some numerical values instead of these vague terms. What parts of the frequency spectrum are you considering.

ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATIONS FROM THE SUN WILL EFFECT US DOWN TO EVERY ATOM OF OUR GALAXY. THE MAGNETIC FIELDS FROM MASSVIE SOLAR FLARES..WILL EFFECT E&M FORCES ON EARTH...COLLIDING PARTICLES OF AN ATOM DURING A MASSICE FTE.....IF ANYTHING...WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING

Pointless screaming. It's AFFECT, not EFFECT. Remember?

This is not true. The effect (which is correct) of the sun on other parts of the galaxy cannot be detected.

Screaming a lie does not make it so. The sun's magnetic field has no effect below the surface of the Earth.

Accelerators have been in use for decades. FTEs happen every 8 minutes. Nothing has happened.

Your claims are without merit.

You have never made an iota of effort to substantiate your claims. They have been shown to be bad time and time and time again. Your ideas fail.