Secrets of Scientology now on BBC1.

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You Commented and I will Quote:

A lot of people think Catholicism is a crackpot religion. The Catholic church amasses and has amassed untold wealth throughout history and has been directly responsible for the deaths of millions throughout its history. Not to mention the rampant child molestation and rape. Yet it has a billion followers that give it all kinds of money and unfathomable power and influence worldwide.

My Reply:

So the Church of Scientology has never been invovled in abuse? Hows about the rapes, the forced abortions? Is that not abuse itself. And besides you took a swi at the Catholic Church, Lets talk about how Scientology funds itself.

How Much Does Scientology Charge for each level?

And you are young so called religion, is your religion not repeating history with the mysterious deaths of a few memebers and ex members of scientology.

Talking about influence doesnt your so called Church not do the exact same thing? Given free tickets to Police Officers, trying to influence Politicians etc.

reply to post by network dude


I understand people can make things up, there is numerous cases which are available on the internet, with ex scientologists going public, and them being threatened by this so called peacefull religion. If you want I can post numerous Videos, give you links. If you want to see both sides of the argument with regards to scientology.

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I have heard all that stuff. This is the first time I have had a chance to speak to an actual member. Amazingly, when that happens, sometimes the real story is a bit different than the propaganda. I have heard ex- members of a lot of things claim all sorts of crazy things only to find out first hand that they were full of brown stinky stuff. I am not discounting your statement, but some guys you tube testimony isn't necessarily proof of anything other than a working web cam.

reply to post by network dude


There is a few people whom I know, and I have watched thier personal journey out of the clutches of Scientology, to know that thay are not lying.

I also know a couple from Manchester, whom have tried to get in contact with thier daughter for years oks. She is in Scientology, and no matter what they do they cannot get in contact with her. In this day and age it should be easy to talk to someones family. Without restraints or anything? Unless they or the individual within scientology is being prevented from contacting them.

Can I also add Scientology is not a recognised world religion, It might be recognised as one in the USA, but it certianly is not within the rest of the world.

reply to post by Laurauk


Ok, well you are relaying first hand information. that is believable. And the things I had heard in the past make it sound exactly like a cult by definition, but as I said, being able to speak to a member would be nice to get a different perspective.

On a different note, I am trying to visualize your voice as I read your posts. Do you sound like a woman from a Monty Python skit, or is the accent different? Sorry, it's a habit I have of trying to make these posts fun.

reply to post by network dude


Oh good lord, lol, lets not try and fray from the topic of discussion please. And no One is not definately not from the Monty Python Age that is for sure lol.

I thank you for undertanding my point off view. But One would be interested, if the scientologist whom says he or she does not work for the church anymore, repsonds to my comments to his or her posts.

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I know the verbatim description of.the religion, which is it is the study of the spirit in relationship to itself, the universe and other life. However for the sake of argument I will state in my own opinion and own words what Scientology is to me. Essentially it is a set of principles that not only help me to stay on the right path but also a set of skills to help me to better handle life around me. That's in my own words and what it has done for me.

The main belief in Scientology is that each individual is an spiritual being.

The being has a body and a mind. The mind is made up of two parts: the analytical and the reactive (what is commonly referred to as the subconscious mind in psychotherapy).

The reactive mind stores memories that containbtwo crucial components: pain and unconsciousness. These memories are stored in a place where the analytical mind cannot access and they can exert undue influence through association. As an example: if you are in a car accident and your back is hurt and your passenger says you should've gone slower. Now every time you get in a car you drive slow and your back hurts, or if you're a passenger you're always wanting the driver to go slow.

The goal of Scientology is to get rid of that part of your mind so it no longer influences you.

That's in a nutshell. There's a lot of text on the subject.

Thanks for your interest and thanks for being polite.

reply to post by Laurauk


The fact that you say, "search the internet, its all there!" And the fact that you fail to understand the concept of media sensationalism combined with your zealous and pompous attitude makes me question your willingness to listen to what I have to say. I do not have any desire or need to change your mind about Scientology. Go on believing what you will and enjoy your valiant quest against my religion.

I'm glad to be reminded the rest of the world denies members of my church the right to practice. Thanks for rubbing it in.

reply to post by network dude


And yet my questions or opinions are ignored, if that does not tell you anything. You make up your own mind. Oks But research first before, you believe a scientologist.

reply to post by dbloch7986


So ex scientologists, experiences posted on you tube or thier personal websites or any other website which, criticises the church of scientology are liars right? Or are they repressive?

reply to post by dbloch7986

Comparatively, Scientology is a relatively new small religion and they don't nor are they able to exert undue influence over governments or people. I am not brainwashed, nor do I work for the church, although that's probably a pointless argument for some of you.

Wait a moment, you said a couple of pages back you dont work for the church of scientology. Either you work for then or you do not?

reply to post by Laurauk


I dont believe there is such thing as a one sided story. All of my viewpoints about the sensationalist media coverage and excommunicated member's testimonials were mentioned earlier in the thread.

I do not work for the church, I am a parishoner. Our membership is very small compared to the influential religions such as Catholicism and Islam.

Now are you done or do you want to tell me how wrong I am some more? Or do you want to try and brainwash me into believing you the same way you claim my church did to me?

If you do not work for the Official Church of Scientology then fine. One will let you believe in what ever religion you want to believe in. That is fine. Ex Scinetologists still believe in the religion but they do not believe in the way the Official Church is run.

Do you agree with that assumption or do you dfend them, just wondering?

reply to post by Laurauk


Well the Church is there giving us a safe place to practice our religion. Its also making sure that our religion is protected and that the materials are available to us and are not altered. You also said the religion was just created so Mr. Hubbard could make money. If that is representative of what the excommunicated members are saying then obviously they do not agree with the religion.

Saying you are OKAY with parishioners practicing the religion but you disagree with the church is a cop out plain and simple. That's like me saying to Muslims, you can practice Islam but we're shutting down all your mosques and all facilities that print the Quaran (sp?).

These people need to stop with the cop outs and just say what they mean.

reply to post by Laurauk


The church spends millions in legal battles to preserve the privacy of our confessionals, to protect our right to practice our religion, to make our donations tax exempt like other religions, to keep our materials from being reproduced in an altered form.

Not to mention security to keep our churches and the parishoners inside safe from attacks by psychopaths that would like to see the church destroyed. Also buying and renovating our churches so we dont have to practice in tiny run down moldy shacks that barely meet health codes and so we can be proud of our churches, just like Catholics are proud of their cathedrals.

Where do you think that money comes from? They pull it out of their rectums? We aren't the Federal Reserve, we can't just print our own money.

reply to post by dbloch7986


No it is not a copt out, I could say I agree with the Christian Religion, but I disagree with thier practices, that is not a copt out as you put it it is a different point of view.

reply to post by dbloch7986


You Claim Confidentiailty, but the church that yoyur supposingly not invovled in, goes out of its way to demonise those who criticises it, and send derogatory articles about thier lifes.

So much for confidentialtiy eh,

Originally posted by Laurauk
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No it is not a copt out, I could say I agree with the Christian Religion, but I disagree with thier practices, that is not a copt out as you put it it is a different point of view.

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There's a difference between a point of view and a desire. I can believe that Islamic views are wrong, or i can desire to bring the religion to an end. Anyone who rails so heavily against the church obviously has a desire to see it ended.

To say that you hate the church but the religion is okay is saying its okay to practice your religion but its not okay for you to have the means to do it. Like its okay to read but you can't have any books. It is a total and complete cop out to try and convince people they are "good" or to "come to their side". Scientology could not exist without the church and they know it

reply to post by dbloch7986


Did I say I hate the cult, or the religion?

No

Did I state thier believes were wrong. No

Did I Say thier, doctorines of thier believe were wrong? Yes I did

Did I say the way they treat thier ex members is wrong, Yes I did.