Secrets of Scientology now on BBC1.

Just started....

This time it has a guy that used to be the spokesman for the society....should be good.

CX.

reply to post by CX


Watching it now should be interesting
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I remember watching one before on the BBC might be the same one. But in the end the guy making the documentary freaked out and start yelling at the Scientologist know it all man who was stalking them.

The scientologist guy is like the lawyer in the Simpsons, he just randomly turns up with legal documents everywhere you go!

I'm watching Don't Tell The Bride on BBC3 but am recording this program to watch afterwards.

Aren't people such as Tom Cruise into all this secret stuff?

From what I have read before tonight, most people who are into this religion / cult are quite rich or become very wealthy after joining up!

Cant wait to watch it at 10pm!

reply to post by Big Raging LonerIts a follow up to the original documentary.
Should be fun.

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Ha ha the missus just had that on, not sure about the snowmen but the rest looked pretty cool.

I'll have to catch it on i-player then if it's a follow up, thought it was just a repeat. Not like I'd get control of the remote while don't tell the bride is on anyway.

Interesting documentary.

Nothing that we haven't heard about Scientology before, but it was interesting hearing it from such involved former members.

I have my own opinions about this cult, and i firmly believe thats all it is, but i will reserve the details out of respect for those ATS members that are scientologists. Everyone to their own and all that.

I just can't understand how any so-called religion can charge you that amount of money, any amount of money for being part of their church?

What happens if a homeless person with no house or a penny to their name wanted to join?

CX.

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What happens if a homeless person with no house or a penny to their name wanted to join?

They pay by working for them! A job and full board in return you recruit new members.

Up to half way watching it now the Missus haas finished with Don't Tell the Bride.

How can it be called a religion if so far they haven't mentioned anything to do with God, Jesus or the Bible?

They seem to lie through their teeth denying everything even though it was on Video and they are into Mind Control, a definate no no according to the Bible too.

So it is a Cult, not a religion and people really need to wake up and get out before it's too late.

What does Revelation say? There will be Wars, Famine, Natural Disasters and False Religions.

Oh Dear....!!

Damn... i missed it

Anyone know if it’s going to be repeated?

reply to post by Muckster


You can catch it on i-player shortly, I'll probably give it a watch later.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I'm a Scientologist.

Its really not all the crazy hoopla that the media makes it out to be. I actually laugh at the degree of secrecy they attribute to it. There's like thousands of lectures and books that detail every aspect of the religion. Its kind of ridiculous.

There are even books that explain the structure of the.churches themselves and how their organizations are set up.

As far as the money, anyone that receives psychotherapy and psychotropic drugs would pay a great deal more the difference is that health insurance doesn't cover Scientology.

The only things you pay for are the counseling services and the life improvement courses. The church offers a great deal of free services.

Some people choose to donate their money to the church in excess of what they donate in exchange for the services they received. Some people choose to join the clergy of our church or what have you. There's no coercion involved in any of it.

Anyway people on ATS always say go to the source. So read a Dianetics book and see what you think, instead of just listening to the testimony of a few disgruntled members.

Also, you don't have to worship a god to be a religion. I refuse to worship anyone.

To each his own though.

reply to post by dbloch7986


Hi, and thanks for the reply.

Is it just a few disgruntled members though? These guys had decades upon decades of service to the church behind them.

Can you comment on the breaking up of families issue? That was quite heart wrenching for me to watch, i imagined my kids and me being torn apart.

Then again, and no offence by this but this is all kind of a non-issue isn't it. Non-Scientologists will doubt you, Scientologists will claim they are a legit and innocent organisation.

Like you say, each to their own.



CX.

I just watched it, and it was interesting. The guy who (in)famously lost his rag and shouted at the appalling little Scientologist returned to the scene, as it were, and found a few former brainwashees who were willing to spill the beans on the nasty methods employed. It seems that the methodoloy of Scientology is indeed far more aggressive and sinister than they would have you believe. And this was from former brainwashees, as I said.

I always felt sorry for that BBC guy. I know he looked a bit silly roaring in that miscreant's smug, idiotic face, but I empathised totally. The miscreant in question was a Scientologist of little brain who wore the mask of shouty, contradictory, aggression to hide from his own inherent lack of ... anything at all in the world that renders one an interesting or worthwhile human being. The BBC guy had looked like a bit of a turnip in the older documentary, but it's very difficult to retain one's composure in the face of blithering, programmed hostility and utter, utter disregard for moral integrity.

Now if only he had the gumption to tackle the three big mystery religions. Scientology may be involved in the programming of the lost and mindless, the completely disingenuous justification of it's aggressive means, and of spouting preposterous nonsense to beguile the limp-minded ... but it's got aeons of work to do if it wants to catch up with those three. Wow!

I still like Tom Cruise films. Is that wrong? Ah, but I have always seen Travolta as a fat, talentless hack. Balance is achieved.

Originally posted by dbloch7986

Some people choose to donate their money to the church in excess of what they donate in exchange for the services they received.

"what they donate in exchange for the services they received".... hrm. I wasn't aware that if it's mandatory it's still considered a donation? Or, can these people get those services for free if they do not wish to 'donate'?

reply to post by CX


You're right I suppose. It's all in a viewpoint. Thanks for being respectful in your criticism and open to conversation.

Its typical media mumbo jumbo. If you want a story you need a protagonist and an antagonist.

Yes its only a few members.

The people you see on here did something to undermine or endanger the church or its members somehow. Or they weren't able to uphold the fairly rigorous ethical standards of the church's staff. I tried to be part of it but it didnt work out for me.

As far as tearing families apart, my mom works for the church and she lives at home with us and we actively spend time together as a family. My family hasn't been torn apart. There's obviously more to the story than they're telling.

If you guys read my past posts I'm sure everyone will agree that I haven't been brainwashed. Im a fairly logical and level headed guy for the most part I think.

Just into the first 10 mins of the programme, and i know its obvious,but surely if they had nothing to hide why would they be so concerned with Sweeney investigating them that they had to resort to constant spying. Just a thought.

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Sorry dude, I dont work for the IRS so I dunno about the jargon.

All I know is there are free services, lots of them, and there are some that if you donate money you can recieve. They are counseling services.

If you're concerned about a church asking its congregation for donations then religion isn't for you anyway.

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Just into the first 10 mins of the programme, and i know its obvious,but surely if they had nothing to hide why would they be so concerned with Sweeney investigating them that they had to resort to constant spying. Just a thought.

If someone's investigating you then why wouldn't you want to investigate them? If the FBI is investigating you for child porn, wouldn't you want to find out what they're up to even if you didn't do it? Come on. Thats a typical wire tapping arguement too.

Originally posted by dbloch7986

As far as tearing families apart, my mom works for the church and she lives at home with us and we actively spend time together as a family. My family hasn't been torn apart. There's obviously more to the story than they're telling.

If you guys read my past posts I'm sure everyone will agree that I haven't been brainwashed. Im a fairly logical and level headed guy for the most part I think.

Thanks for that info, its nice to see it's going ok for you and your family.

I'll take a look at your past posts too, whilst i have little interest in religion, i don't mind getting both sides or the story.

Cheers,

CX.