Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Watch out the Iranians are coming!

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Why are you wasting my time? If you don't want to discuss an issue, don't, leave it alone.

Actually I posted this thread and if you don't feel posting your welcome to leave it.

Originally posted by oozyism
I can go on, but you are so naive, that you think because the US has that capability, it means Iran is not advancing? WTF

In regards to an attack on Iran, I don't think you know much about world politics and how things play out, you don't even know what advancement means, first get your head around that issue, then go deeper in to more complicated (or not) issues.

You seem to be a little confused. This thread isn't about the advancement of Iran or world politics, its about the effectiveness of the boat planes. Do I really need to point that out to you? All your arguments don't address this fact and you have failed to ansewer valid questions about their effectiveness.

So if you wish to continue to claim these boat planes are effective I suggest you stick to that and not the advancement of Iran or world politics.

reply to post by oozyism


I would agree with your opinion that you express here. It's all fine and well to laugh at Iran at our expense. The important thing to keep in mind is that Iran has military ambitions. They want to expand their military and their technological power. What people find funny is I guess the fact that they're resorting to 20th century technology that doesn't seem to work to do it.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Effectiveness? What the hell does effectiveness have to do with this? I haven't heard any reasoning from you stating why it isn't effective? What reasoning do you have?

Let me ask you a question, are these navy boats effective?

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Originally posted by oozyism
Effectiveness? What the hell does effectiveness have to do with this? I haven't heard any reasoning from you stating why it isn't effective? What reasoning do you have?

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by oozyism
Hey, they can even use them as Kamakazi missions, you know, like Japan

As for the Kamakazi attacks I see a few problems.

1) The have to be able to arm and take off without first being destroyed by a preemptive strike.
2) They then have to get past USAF fighters without being shot down.
3) Then they face the awsome AA fire of a US navy carrier fleet.

I really don't see these boat planes overcoming any of those challanges.

You must have either missed that or choose to ignore it. Care to ansewer now?

Originally posted by oozyism
Let me ask you a question, are these navy boats effective?

Sure their effective. Doesn't mean they couldn't be blown out of the water by a superior boat or plane. Thats what this is all about. Those boat planes pose no real threat to either Israel or the USA for the simple fact both have superior war technology.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker

Sure their effective. Doesn't mean they couldn't be blown out of the water by a superior boat or plane. Thats what this is all about. Those boat planes pose no real threat to either Israel or the USA for the simple fact both have superior war technology.

But those are not suppose to fight war ships, did you think they are suppose to fight war ships?

As I showed you that picture of US navy boats, do you think they can stand against a superior boat or plane? They can also get blown up.

Originally posted by oozyism
But those are not suppose to fight war ships, did you think they are suppose to fight war ships?

The Iranians are the ones saying they are going to arm the next gens with torpedos and bombs to take on large navy vessels, meaning the US navy. I didn't make that claim, they did and its ridiculous.

And you once again sidestepped my questions about how effective they can be even when used as a kamakazi. Go figure.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


This is the most stupidest conversation I have ever had.

You are making too many assumptions, I'm sorry, I refuse.

If you want something specific to discuss in regards to this news, then tell me, if you are gonna just waste my time, don't say nothing.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

If you want something specific to discuss in regards to this news, then tell me, if you are gonna just waste my time, don't say nothing.

You obviously can't accept that these boat planes are way outta their league and are getting upset trying to defend your position. Feel free to move along if its too much for you.

Either prove they can somehow be effective against thier enemies or be quiet.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


Are you suggesting that Iran wants to attack US warships with this flying boats lol..

Seriously.

Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Are you suggesting that Iran wants to attack US warships with this flying boats lol..

Seriously.

Is that what you are saying?

Is that your problem? Try checking some of the videos posted here and on youtube. The Iranians made that claim in their own news release. You say I'm the one making assumptions.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


So what did they say exactly, that they will attack and destroy warships with this?

You know where it is, show me, so I can see and be on the same page as you

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

So what did they say exactly, that they will attack and destroy warships with this?

You know where it is, show me, so I can see and be on the same page as you

Iran has never stated on the news that they will use these crafts to attack US war ships. What they actually say is that they will use these crafts to patrol their coast line. They go on to say that these crafts can be armed with anti ship missiles and a machine gun. That gives them a attack capability.

As far as i know, members of ATS has brought up the idea of these crafts being used to attack US carrier fleet and so on. Members of ATS is creating their own tactical views about these crafts.

Oh please.
lol

Anyhow, just say No folks.
Not very wise.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Sorry mate, some people actually have a brain to know that advancement is much more important for the long run.

Having unique, domestically designed and produced defense systems gives you that edge, while buying American weapons don't

So you make a statement and I ask two very simple questions about your statement.

If you don't want to answer them, just say so. You don't really need to go with thinly veiled insults to try to skirt the issue.

I fail to see where I have insulted you, so I don't believe it can be called a 'tit for tat' thing.

Originally posted by butcherguy

With aircraft, American supercharger technology was unmatched by any country in WWII. That is why the B-29 could fly as high as it did. What's more, we had pursuit planes that could fly with it(P-38 Lightning).

We made a lot of them, but to call them technologically impaired does a disservice to everyone from the designers right down to Rosie the Riveter working on the line.

I was always curious as to why American fighter planes engine output jumped by 1000hp during the war. Superchargers explain that .

And you are right about the B-29 it was a work of art. But, I am curious, was the US supercharger and pressurization technology developed specificly for war? Or was it technology being designed for other industries that was adapted? Does Iran have any technology that seems inconspicuous now that could be adapted as well?

Either way, I still do see a lot of similarities between the US of world war 2 and Iran of current. And Iran, by the laws of catch up, will advance faster than the US did by theft, purchase, or internal design. I would say that, realisticly, Iran will be on par with the US (convetional public units only, does not apply to black or top secret projects) inside of 15 years.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

So what did they say exactly, that they will attack and destroy warships with this?

You know where it is, show me, so I can see and be on the same page as you

Seeing as how your to lazy to do a quick google here you go.

IRGC to Equip Home-Made Flying Boats with Rockets, Missiles

It doesn't specifically say the rockets and missles will be used against large vessels but what else would they be used against. These aren't air superiority fighters.

Originally posted by spy66


Iran has never stated on the news that they will use these crafts to attack US war ships. They go on to say that these crafts can be armed with anti ship missiles and a machine gun. That gives them a attack capability.

And what would be the purpose of arming them with ANTI SHIP MISSILIES if they weren't going to attack ships.

Who's ships would they most likely be attacking - the US navy.

reply to post by peck420

And Iran, by the laws of catch up, will advance faster than the US did by theft, purchase, or internal design.

I agree with this.

I would say that, realisticly, Iran will be on par with the US (convetional public units only, does not apply to black or top secret projects) inside of 15 years.

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Are you implying that the US technological level was kick started by aliens ?! *cough* Roswell *cough* j/k .

Edit to add:

I think I am going to try making a 3D model of this Bavar, I'm really curious about the engine they are using, might be able to get some form of refrence based on pilot/captain (plane/boat) size. Might give more insight into it's future capabilities and power output.

And does anyone else get the impression that the way the enigne is mounted (external on a "universal" stand / exposed fuel lines / etc.) implies that the engine is not of Iranian design and manufacture? Almost like the bought something and bolted it on.

This craft really intrigues me, even if it could be used as a personal sport craft.