Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

reply to post by peck420

And just to make sure we are clear the allies won with inferior technology in large numbers vs superior technology.

I am sure of one thing, that statement is not completely correct.

At the beginning of the war, the Japanese fielded technologically superior aircraft, in 1943, we had the tech edge in aircraft. Armored vehicles? Japan never had better than ours. Small arms? They took to making copies of the Garand rifle, their crap never came close. Ever fire a Nambu pistol? No match for our M1911, period.

You made mention of the importance of our strategic bombing campaigns. Do you know why the B-29 bomber was so successful at bombing Japan? Because they had no successful interceptor aircraft that could fly at the altitudes that our technologically superior Superfortress did.

If their designs were so vastly superior, why did they copy and build our planes? I will give you the Nakajima L2D2 'Tabby' as an example of this.....

www.google.com... japanese%20plane%20Tabby&ei=SIakTKiONcKblgfy-vmUDA&usg=AFQjCNEr7Wgn7lX8xwP9PZJwbcHozwTNQw&sig2=H_-W9YtNTgvbfoWE5j2kCg&cad=rja

reply to post by tenfly


Terrorist can be as low tech as you want, and they still can be deadly [specially against civilians]..
Iran is the big Santa supporting these tenacious groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, insurgent in Afghanistan, Iraq, while doing that they're indirectly responsible for killing our boys and girld in combat with the most cowardly IED's.Am i right or is this coming out of the blue for you?

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

The simple fact is I found this latest development from Iran humerous. Does that make me bad?

This event is very important, hence shows the advances Iran is making outside the control of US. When Iran was under US control, it was backward, now it is moving forward, don't forget to mention the drones they designed and created.


Look at Western puppet regimes in the Middle East, they sure look like they are advancing

Yeah right that's why after 30 years they still try to keep the F14 with cannibalizing spare parts in the sky untill they fall apart..

Haha


They're... cute.

If nothing else. The cuteness of those things might confuse the mighty US empire in their never ending quest to destroy the free world.

So, cute.

Go Iran!!

Cheers
Shane

reply to post by Foppezao


The US had no right to be in Iraq in the first place. American policy makers had to bluff the whole world to justify their objectives with Iraq.

America wanted to liberate the Iraqi people from a tyrant because he was killing innocent people. Personally i think the American invasion killed and abused more Iraqi people in 10 years than Saddam did his whole life time.

And now the Americans and the Israelis are at it again with Iran. Calling them dangerous, but we all know that Iran is no threat. Its just a scam all of it.

This was a backyard project a man in the US invented years ago. What the hell are you going to do with a boat that can go 20 feet off the ground?? This is a demonstration of supreme stupidity, nothing more.

Ha.. those things are worthless, but I'd like to have one to boat around the lake, then fly home when I'm done vacationing. I wonder if you could pull a skier behind one of them? It looks like someone built those things in their garage. Where can I buy a kit? They'd make millions if they marketed them to the public.

reply to post by butcherguy


You make some excellent points in there.

I have seen so many documentaries that show no significant vehicle use in the Pacific theater, so I do tend to forget about them entirely.

As for the B-29 bombers, first flight in 1942, issued in 1944. Design was modified specifically to give it the alttitude advantage over interceptors of the period.

For the Garand, I thought the reason it functioned so well was similar to the AK, with better accuracy? If that is the case, becasue it is simple, rugged, and effective, I would copy it too, but that doesn't make it technologically advanced.

Now onto aircraft. Even you admit that at the beginning of the war the Axis had a technological advantage. And until much later on in the war, what was used to defeat them? Bigger gun, more armor, and the equivelant of guerilla warfare in the skies. Make them over extend, and always try to outnumber them in the specific battles. I'm not trying to dimish the serious amount of effort and cajones made by the airmen, but until the later portion of the war, technology wasn't the US' forte.

As for why Japan and, yes even Germany, would copy the designs. Simple, they were effective, pre-engineered, and cheaper to manufacture. Both Germany and Japan made an error chasing technology, they both spent large amounts of resources that could have been more effectively used with lower tech, rugged designs.

Why the US and Allies became technologically superior by the end of the war, simple...resources. By building "cheap and dirty" units at the beginning the US had effectively balanced technological progress with production means so that they maintained an uninterrupted technological increase "while" fighting. Both Germany and Japan had spent too many resources on technology and not enough on fighting. So when the time came to fight only (production and research facilities having been destroyed) they no longer had the resources to maintain the fight.

There is a careful balance between technology and cost when fighting a war. The technological advantage is a game changer, but (and this is a big but) if you can't afford to spend resources building and constantly upgrading technology, you should spend the resources on building. You can't fight with technology alone.

I think Iran knows that it can't afford the resources that the US can (this should be obvious), so they are making more prudent choices. In this case they used a little ingenuity to make a cheap and fast Patrol/Reconnassaince vehicle.

All my uses of the term resources contain financial, material, and human resources. I am too lazy to type that all out every time .

reply to post by FreeSpeaker

I wonder if they got hold of the plans to the "Spruce Goose" in order to clone a second generation amphibian destroyer. Maybe they can also build Zeppelin sky ports to launch them from. No water in the northern steppes of Iran / Turkey / Russia see...

I think they may be working on the rocketeer's armour next.

reply to post by peck420
Good post. Very good points.

As for the Garand, it was rugged. It also was an autoloading battle rifle that worked. The battle rifle the Japanese had that worked, the Arisaka, was a bolt action rifle that used a design dating to the 1890's. In that light, I posit that the autoloading Garand represented a technological advancement over the 50+ year old design of the manually operated Japanese battle rifle.

With aircraft, American supercharger technology was unmatched by any country in WWII. That is why the B-29 could fly as high as it did. What's more, we had pursuit planes that could fly with it(P-38 Lightning).

Boeing's B-29 Superfortress was the most sophisticated propeller-driven bomber of World War II and the first bomber to house its crew in pressurized compartments.

Source:www.nasm.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19500100000

We made a lot of them, but to call them technologically impaired does a disservice to everyone from the designers right down to Rosie the Riveter working on the line.

Originally posted by Raumrabe
This was a backyard project a man in the US invented years ago. What the hell are you going to do with a boat that can go 20 feet off the ground?? This is a demonstration of supreme stupidity, nothing more.

Well technically it can be used as a weapon platform to launch missiles. In a different Youtube video Iran say that it can carry it's anti ship missile. That would technically make this craft a dangerous weapon against ships.

This craft can also preform over dry land, it has wheels too

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Raumrabe
This was a backyard project a man in the US invented years ago. What the hell are you going to do with a boat that can go 20 feet off the ground?? This is a demonstration of supreme stupidity, nothing more.

Well technically it can be used as a weapon platform to launch missiles. In a different Youtube video Iran say that it can carry it's anti ship missile. That would technically make this craft a dangerous weapon against ships.

This craft can also preform over dry land, it has wheels too

What anti-shipping missile might this be?

After seeing their"cruise missile" debut last month, I suspect that their anti-shipping missile will 'resemble' an RPG-7 painted blue.

Well here's one good use for these things.

They would make good ship raiders IMO.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


All it has is a machine gun? haha shows that Iran doesnt know what real military might is. Lets see I am american so we have the best stuff on earth because we fight for freedom. One of our aircraft carriers or Los angeles attack subs against their little boat? Yep America wins again!!!!

Originally posted by DaMod
Well here's one good use for these things.

They would make good ship raiders IMO.

I highly doubt such a slow and unmaneuverable craft would be threat to the american navy. I'm pretty sure the Phalanx CIWS system would eat them up.

1) I doubt they'd be very effective in real combat, but they could be devestating in a kamikaze role. suicide bombing is sadly prevalent in that part of the world.

2) Iran poses a major military threat in the region as it has a large and reasonably well equipped land army, not to mention a bellicose government. does the Iranian military pose a threat to the U.S.? hardly. to Israel? absolutely.

3) perhaps the whole thing is a throwaway project authorized by some nut in the Iranian gummint, displayed for propoganda purposes.

4) just saw this thread. maybe the Bavar-2 is an anti-greenpeace platform.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

any carrier strike force is layered in defense systems..we have 11.
.russia 1 china 0... with nato allies we have encircled the planet with missiles..
sorry- but the usa is the worlds hit squad..destruction is the main export.
if you get out of line -like say germany or japan- you'll get pounded to dust.
we are all hostage to this madness. i can admire some of these guys for defying
the usa but once the no fly zone is established the pentagon/ pentagram will
tear iran down..will it lead to war with russia or china- turn into shoot out at the ok corral?
we'll see soon enough.

As others have said, I see the biggest threat of those things as being filled with HE and used in a kamikaze type role.

Sadly, there doesn't seem any shortage of people willing to take on that kind of role in the area

If we were to attack Iran, these little peter nats of a plane would never make it off the ground!

reply to post by Foppezao

Yeah right that's why after 30 years they still try to keep the F14 with cannibalizing spare parts in the sky untill they fall apart..

Ohhh but they also have domestic jets, designed by them.

Let's not forget, before revolution Iran didn't research in any of these sectors, as you advance, the pace doubles, I guess you don't know that, ohh wait, you just watch Rambo 1, 2, 3.... continuously to prove how tough Americans are? Dry humor.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Foppezao

 

Yeah right that's why after 30 years they still try to keep the F14 with cannibalizing spare parts in the sky untill they fall apart..

Ohhh but they also have domestic jets, designed by them.

Just wondering, are those jets in big demand?
Do they export a lot of them?